Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

contract labor question


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 09-22-2009, 12:10 AM
Wayne909
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default contract labor question

I been running my tree service for some time now as a 2 man operation mainly, but a 3rd on call guy since he works nights at a factory.

Any how here is the problem at hand: I have been hit with 7 large jobs, all with in 1 week.. All where referred to me.. 3 out of the 7 have 8-12 trees needing to come down.. 2 out of the 7 have trees on 3 lots (around 3-5 per lot ). Which is no problem since i have the gear needed, but the man power i do not. As in to get them done in a reasonable period to move on to the smaller jobs. So I'm considering contract labor for 5 out of the 7 jobs, and have never brought in contract labor be for.. So my question is how does this work, as in do i have to provide coverage etc to these guys like my own? are do they have to cover there self + pay in their own tax's?

Like i said i have never really consider are even thought about contract labor.. So its really a gray area for me. So if any one as any experience using contract labors, help me out please.

Thanks in advance.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 09-22-2009, 12:58 AM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
If they are subcontractors they need to take care of there own crap. If you hire family you don't need comp insurance, at least not in California.
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-22-2009, 01:09 AM
Wayne909
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonw View Post
If they are subcontractors they need to take care of there own crap. If you hire family you don't need comp insurance, at least not in California.
Yes their subcontractors, and i thought that was how it worked.. but considering i never looked into hiring subcontractors, i was unsure of how it would work out. So thanks for that info.

I never hire family, that never works out well
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-22-2009, 05:33 AM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 10
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne909 View Post
Yes their subcontractors, and i thought that was how it worked.. but considering i never looked into hiring subcontractors, i was unsure of how it would work out. So thanks for that info.

I never hire family, that never works out well
Had to do this a few times this summer for tree work, just a word of caution make sure the owner knows you are sub contracting and make sure they have insurance, also check them out, I had one that caused me a massive headache.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-22-2009, 06:15 AM
Wayne909
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by picframer View Post
Had to do this a few times this summer for tree work, just a word of caution make sure the owner knows you are sub contracting and make sure they have insurance, also check them out, I had one that caused me a massive headache.
Thanks for the advice. I been asking around about 2 I'm considering using, and leaning to one that's pretty respected from what i hear.. That had been referred to me by another tree man who used them.. So more then likely that will be the crew i use.

Although I'm interested in how one caused you a headache if you don't mind me asking?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-22-2009, 07:36 PM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 10
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne909 View Post
Thanks for the advice. I been asking around about 2 I'm considering using, and leaning to one that's pretty respected from what i hear.. That had been referred to me by another tree man who used them.. So more then likely that will be the crew i use.

Although I'm interested in how one caused you a headache if you don't mind me asking?
I have reason to believe the references I called were hoax or family.

They couldn't fall a tree if their life depended on it, one took the side of the customers garage.

The mess they left was totally unacceptable, I sent three guys in for four days at my expense to clean things up.

So for now the only thing I do is refer the client if we can't do the work due to not having staff or I simply explain we do not have the resources.

When you are not in control, you have no control. What I mean by that is if I sub I am putting my reputation on the line, I am very detailed and I know many companies are but they seem to be in the same boat as me, too much to do and not enough staff to do it.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-22-2009, 08:45 PM
FloridaBoy's Avatar
FloridaBoy FloridaBoy is offline
FloridaBoy
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Age: 40
Posts: 154
Rep Power: 6
FloridaBoy is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree %100 with Andy, If you are not in control, you don't know what is happening on the job site.

I just subed out some work for a concrete job, but the demolition i did on my own, rented the heavy equipment,trck loader, jack hammer etc. So, as i was doing that work, they were right behind me forming up for the driveway, and i stuck around while they poured and did the finish work. They can't leave or get paid untill i was sattisfied with the job.

Maybe the other company wouldn't mind bringing there crew and gear to your jobsites while you are there and in control.

I don't know about your area, but businesses are hurting, they will accomidate you very well if they want the work badly enough. If not, then tell them to take a hike, get you some day labor guys to do the light duty, cleanup work, tell a couple of the clients you will knock off some money if they can wait a week or so to get there work done, and do all the work yourself.

May not work in your situation, but just some ideas. Good Luck
__________________
Welcome Advise, Incourage comments, and never stop Cutting. Geoff<img src="http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1595&d=1253928284">
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-23-2009, 10:46 AM
Wayne909
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Well just got back from my meeting with the crew I'm going to use. I took him out to the job sites and we had a very long discussion over who will be running the show and how i expected it to be done.. I told him i would be coming by each job site at random times during operations, and he had no problem with that. So after talking with him, and checking up on some of his past work(including past sub work he done).. He is now my sub.

They will start on their end Thursday, so I'll let you guys know how they work.


Thanks for the info above, I'll keep that in mind when checking in on them.


P.S: Yes they have to bring their own equip.. Although i have spare equip if anything happens.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-23-2009, 04:18 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 37,122
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
They will start on their end Thursday, so I'll let you guys know how they work.
I look forwards to hearing the updates!

Quote:
When you are not in control, you have no control. What I mean by that is if I sub I am putting my reputation on the line, I am very detailed and I know many companies are but they seem to be in the same boat as me, too much to do and not enough staff to do it.
This seems like it can be such a problem, how best can a small business grow when you are dealing with such issues?

It really makes me wonder how best to go about it.

The other night I stopped in at a Burger King later in the evening and it appears they had a 3 member staff all under the age of 25 running this million dollar facility.

How is it that Burger King can turn over the reigns like this to such a young and underpaid staff and I still get the same burger as I would get if I went in there at noon?

How can things be made this way for this industry?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-24-2009, 04:07 AM
Wayne909
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
The other night I stopped in at a Burger King later in the evening and it appears they had a 3 member staff all under the age of 25 running this million dollar facility.

How is it that Burger King can turn over the reigns like this to such a young and underpaid staff and I still get the same burger as I would get if I went in there at noon?

How can things be made this way for this industry?
Well age to me as no bearing on a persons work ethic. I hired 1 more full time yesterday(19 year old), and my Foreman running the crew is only 22 years old. So when I'm away he is in charge of the crew that soon will be 3 man(not including myself). I made him foreman because he don't mind to step up when things get harry. Takes care of my equip like it was his own (hard to find in a person), and is always the first on the lot in the mornings... Even be for me most of the time, and that's a good thing to see in a worker. He also makes $3 more an hour on top of his new foreman bonus for being an EMT (through volunteer fire dept). He is making more then any factory around here pays, so I'll leave it at that.

Burger kings low pay, around here it's $7-8 per hour.. That's pretty good flipping burgers i guess. My new guys make just a little more then that an hour, start off is $10 to new guys(6mo if they work out $11, plus paid training etc).

Well off to the lot.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Temporary Labor StartALawnCareBusiness Starting a lawn care business. 6 09-26-2009 05:22 AM
subcontracting labor? jasonw Starting a lawn care business. 7 09-02-2009 07:00 PM
Labor Pay Saddlewood Lawn Care Employees Discussions 15 02-23-2009 08:39 AM
labor rate ljustice Online Lawn Care Estimator - Help me bid this job 16 01-11-2008 01:56 AM
Labor Hours Gopher Software Support Archived Question & Answers - Read Only 3 12-19-2006 12:54 AM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Bid for large home...
lxarth
03-22-2015 11:06 AM
Today 01:08 AM
by lxarth
10 356
Dethatching attachments
jcurr33
Yesterday 08:56 PM
Yesterday 08:56 PM
by jcurr33
0 27
Billing methods
jcurr33
03-26-2015 01:33 PM
Yesterday 05:13 PM
by avetslawncare
8 217
Covering a landscape...
Dan Tanner
Yesterday 09:01 AM
Yesterday 05:06 PM
by avetslawncare
2 68
bidding a cemetery....
NPM_LLC
03-28-2015 10:56 AM
Yesterday 01:18 PM
by jrs.landscaping
5 127
Start LIKING FACEBOOK...
rlclawncare123
02-26-2015 12:06 AM
Yesterday 12:50 PM
by SC93
3 396
35,000 Eddm
greenscaper123
03-18-2015 12:51 PM
Yesterday 12:32 PM
by SC93
19 538
Weed and Feed
robkattankate
03-19-2015 09:00 PM
Yesterday 08:42 AM
by Dan Tanner
5 480
Ferris FW35 questions
Chilehead
03-10-2015 08:31 PM
03-28-2015 03:14 PM
by Dan Tanner
5 402
First big mower decision?
SGL1
03-28-2015 08:58 AM
03-28-2015 08:58 AM
by SGL1
0 79
Employee job training...
brookline
12-15-2014 07:15 PM
03-28-2015 08:43 AM
by biglee
28 2,415
Mower vs lot size advice
jcurr33
03-25-2015 09:29 PM
03-28-2015 08:37 AM
by Dan Tanner
5 205
Finally got a warehouse
avetslawncare
03-12-2015 07:52 PM
03-28-2015 08:25 AM
by SGL1
11 546
Trepidation about...
michellemarvin
03-23-2015 07:46 PM
03-28-2015 05:35 AM
by Dan Tanner
2 184
How do you get...
ESREVER
03-25-2015 01:30 PM
03-28-2015 12:18 AM
by lxarth
7 216
I lost a long term...
Sprinkler Buddy
09-04-2011 02:24 PM
03-27-2015 11:42 PM
by lxarth
15 3,455
hoa bid need help
bigdaveha12
03-24-2015 08:29 PM
03-27-2015 11:17 PM
by lxarth
6 264
introducing myself
chris2500hd
03-24-2015 11:16 AM
03-27-2015 02:02 PM
by Steve
8 242
Commercial Jobs
CurbAppeal1
03-25-2015 04:22 PM
03-27-2015 12:29 PM
by biglee
5 210
Flag or no flag
Matther777
03-24-2015 02:41 PM
03-27-2015 12:25 PM
by biglee
10 353
Office Administration...
Girlfriend
03-26-2015 05:40 PM
03-26-2015 05:40 PM
by Girlfriend
0 475
Is this tree beyond help?
SGL1
03-22-2015 05:35 PM
03-25-2015 08:55 PM
by SGL1
14 892
Opinions on truck wrap
Trupro
02-28-2015 03:21 PM
03-25-2015 07:54 PM
by Trupro
33 1,600
The New Wave!!!! Read...
Jamesw86
03-22-2015 08:33 PM
03-25-2015 02:50 PM
by Steve
10 331
grass in the gas tank
robkattankate
03-23-2015 04:37 PM
03-25-2015 02:36 PM
by Steve
5 213
Helping others
hansenslawncare
09-15-2011 08:50 PM
03-25-2015 02:33 PM
by Steve
11 2,677
DOT Number
acrajchel
03-20-2015 05:56 PM
03-25-2015 02:28 PM
by Steve
7 458
Michelin x tweel.
apmAkron
03-23-2015 04:22 PM
03-24-2015 12:40 PM
by Steve
3 150
spike aerator???
Bradcook21
03-21-2015 01:55 PM
03-24-2015 10:32 AM
by acrajchel
4 234
Hello from Maryland
michellemarvin
03-23-2015 12:44 PM
03-23-2015 07:33 PM
by michellemarvin
2 155
hello from south GA.
CCandALawnCare
03-23-2015 03:46 AM
03-23-2015 07:06 PM
by CCandALawnCare
2 141
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
03-23-2015 06:14 PM
by jethro
1,218 380,290
Is anyone doing mosquito...
BWild
01-27-2015 11:30 AM
03-23-2015 12:28 PM
by Steve
9 864
Should i take on this...
christw
03-17-2013 01:23 PM
03-22-2015 09:02 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
36 7,594
mower stalls when...
boog
03-19-2015 08:20 AM
03-21-2015 08:13 PM
by Wolf4dk
7 283
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
01-11-2015 10:41 AM
03-20-2015 10:00 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
32 3,864
Hello Emily Reyes from...
Webster14829
03-20-2015 11:23 AM
03-20-2015 03:36 PM
by Steve
2 192
Finally going to give it...
jcurr33
03-12-2015 08:09 PM
03-20-2015 03:31 PM
by Steve
10 576
Weed id?
SGL1
03-17-2015 08:20 PM
03-20-2015 02:37 PM
by Steve
6 296
Mobile small engine...
luckylogger
03-15-2015 02:05 PM
03-20-2015 06:17 AM
by jrs.landscaping
15 506
Brad Cook 21
SC93
03-16-2015 10:40 PM
03-19-2015 09:04 PM
by Bradcook21
4 426
honest opinion please
uppercut
02-17-2015 01:30 AM
03-18-2015 02:55 PM
by Steve
15 1,342
Repair or replace the...
lxarth
12-17-2014 04:07 PM
03-18-2015 02:49 PM
by Just for Cuts
21 2,041
new to the site
bigdaveha12
03-17-2015 09:13 PM
03-18-2015 02:33 PM
by Steve
1 220
Small dovetail truck...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-04-2015 06:47 PM
03-17-2015 10:14 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
17 880
New Site Hows it look
Infinitelawn
03-16-2015 10:32 AM
03-17-2015 08:15 PM
by SGL1
3 298
mulch questions
Bradcook21
03-08-2015 08:37 AM
03-17-2015 07:00 PM
by Bradcook21
23 1,018
Scag hydro w/b frame...
Just for Cuts
03-11-2015 03:32 PM
03-17-2015 06:37 PM
by lxarth
11 595
Buy new or used?
lxarth
12-26-2014 09:50 PM
03-17-2015 06:11 PM
by lxarth
14 1,746
New to 2015
Infinitelawn
03-16-2015 08:29 AM
03-17-2015 11:47 AM
by Steve
4 308
» Popular Tags
ad landscaping aerocore apartment bid apartment lawn care estimate applying auger billy goat brushcutter bush contract help curb appeal services deliquentaccounts design ditches door hangers employee problems equipment rental estimate facebook ferris foreman google gravely growing a lawn care business how to husqvarna introduction jobs john deere quik trac landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care busines plan lawn care business seo lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care seo lawn care website lawn care website seo lawn mowing managing a lawn care business marketing marketing secrets mulch new mower per hour service pricing pto secrets to landscaping seo shell shreaded snow plowing sq ft square foot starting a lawn care business steep lawns theft toro toro grand stand tractor auger trailer trailer mate pro tree up sell employee web design website website design winterization wood wright stander rh
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy