Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

Horrible Day


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 06-27-2009, 08:56 PM
andyjoneslawncare's Avatar
andyjoneslawncare andyjoneslawncare is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sarasota, FL
Age: 41
Posts: 75
Rep Power: 7
andyjoneslawncare is on a distinguished road
Default Horrible Day

Yesterday, someone I know said their mower caught on fire and asked if I'd mow it for $70, which is more than any of my accounts. He said it was really big, and I knew it was farther than any of my yards, but today I got directions, and was there at 9. It took 40 minutes to get there, in the middle of nowhere. It was probably about 8 acres with trees, palmetto bushes, a pond, a shed, a front gate, etc. Looked like its was mowed about 3 weeks ago, with those long shoots of grass over 2 ft high, and the normal grass about 10 inches. I started mowing, having no clue what was under the grass and hich areas he usually mows, and scraped a bunch of rocks until I hit a good one and bent my blade down so I was carving a rut as I drove. Drove 40 minutes back home, got another blade (from now on I'll bring a spare) then 40 min back to the property, changed the blade and started mowing again. I realized my center blade wasn't cutting, and was dulled from the rocks, so I sharpened it on site with my dremel. Then back to mowing, but soon realized the long shoots were just bending over so I had to go super slow. It was so fustrating! Here I have this fast 50" mawer and I'm backtracking over areas I already did and going a very slow walking speed on 8 acres of grass! Since I was going so slow and backtracking, I ran out of gas and had to drive 15 minutes to the nearest gas station and back. Anyway, after trimming around the trees (only a few of them) and edging the driveway, I was ready for my 40 min drive home. It was 5pm! He asked when I'd make it back to mow again and I said NEVER! Then I was thinking, now that I know where not to mow, so I wouldn't lose a blade, and if I went weekly, so I could go full speed and not waste gas, it might not be so bad, maybe under 2 hours? I'd like a little more $ too but I'm not sure what he could swing. I'd much rather knock out 3 $35 local homes in an hour. Anyway, are there any tricks for those tall grass shoots? Modifying the front edge of the deck for more clearance or something? You should've heard the new and exciting colorful words I was yelling on the way home. I invented new combinations of compound words that were very interesting.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 06-27-2009, 11:24 PM
CHEESE2009's Avatar
CHEESE2009 CHEESE2009 is offline
Dr. Scott - Ruler of the Underworld
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland, Grindelwald
Age: 73
Posts: 4,475
Rep Power: 10
CHEESE2009 is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
That sounds like a pain!!!!!!!

I'm pretty ticked off too... I just got a sign made for my lawn, & I put it out...

1 hr... ONE HOUR... and I hear a big BANG...

I go outside & it's knocked over with a big rock sitting by it. .. Damn kids... b**tards...

My trailer was also spray painted by some punks the other day. I had to repaint it.

They spray painted, "NO PARKING" on every side. Though the spray paint job DID look good, it just wasn't the symbol for lawn service, so I was p'd off!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-28-2009, 03:18 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,371
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Oh I am sorry about that. How long did the job take in total?



Why the heck would they paint no parking? That is nutty
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-28-2009, 05:41 AM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 9
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

Boy Andy that was a tough day, but 8 acres....good lord buddy even with my ZTR that would be at least $250., we do one large cottage property that is an estate, it is 2 1/2 acres, good mowing conditions, we charge $185.00, takes about 90 min.

I cringe at new places especially when they are large and especially when they are over grown, we did two last week, one was nothing but problems.

I dropped the guys off, grass was about 18" high, real estate job, about 3,500 square feet, left to do a spraying, got a call within 15 min, the pull cord on a new mower would not engage, told them to just use the X500 and snip the rest, 10 more min another call, head on the trimmer overheated, melted and would not advance, went back to drop off a spare, employee hit a rock and bent a blade, changed it as I had a spare, tractor would not start, took it to deere with the mower and trimmer, bad fuel pump on the tractor, a cog on the device that engages the pull cord on the Billy Goat had to be replaced, a washer was missing on the trimmer causing it to over heat, down time almost three hours with travel. Only upside is we were hired to come back to this site for mulching and weeding, $1,200....I will make back the down time

I could write a list of problems we had last week from an excavator getting stuck digging a pond to hydraulic lines blowing due to poor locations and no guards anyhow although I used some colorful language at the time, I know laugh it off and look for ways to avoid it again.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-29-2009, 05:53 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,371
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Andy,

How technically proficient are some of your employees? Can they fix machinery problems or do you prefer they not and you fix them?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-29-2009, 06:27 AM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 9
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Andy,

How technically proficient are some of your employees? Can they fix machinery problems or do you prefer they not and you fix them?
Good question, while they may think they are proficient, I do not let employees do any maintenance, two reasons, all the equipment is under warranty, more important is safety. As the owner of the company I may fix an issue and if I do I will be responsible, I am by far from perfect but I pay attention to detail, I have been around gear for so may years I notice little things, hear little things and take action if necessary.

An example was yesterday, I dropped in to check on a chipping crew, they were doing a great job, the chipper was being run by the power take off on the back of the tractor, basically spins the chipper, I noticed the drive shaft was rubbing on a hydro hose as the tie strap had broke, no chance of injury however a new hydro hose would have meant three hours of down time and probably $125.00. I fixed it before it became a problem.

I also have a deal with John Deere, 95%+ of our equipment is bought from them and includes other brands, they will come to a site within 60min and repair or replace whatever is broken, I pay a small annual service fee for this level of service which is critical as I can't always go.

I also have access to 24 hour parts from their warehouse in the USA, Saturday night I was digging a drain on my property in the woods, the hydro hose for the front blade became hung up on a stump and I broke a connector, two issues here, there should be a skid plate for this location and I built one yesterday, this is a very specific fitting so I ordered one from the states as I checked local inventory and no one had one, it will arrive this morning at 10 and I will repair myself as it's a 10 min job.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-29-2009, 10:08 PM
andyjoneslawncare's Avatar
andyjoneslawncare andyjoneslawncare is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sarasota, FL
Age: 41
Posts: 75
Rep Power: 7
andyjoneslawncare is on a distinguished road
Default

You know whats awesome? Posting that I had a bad day and hearing everyone elses problems too. Good to know I'm not alone. No matter how much you guys tell me, for some reason I insist on learning everything the hard way. This time, it was more of a favor thing, but when he asked when I'll be back I was shocked, and I actually think he thought he was doing me a favor throwing me 70 bucks. I almost spent that much in gas. I wish I had an accurate acreage of grass for you, but the property has so much going on, with the pond, woods, fence, etc thats its kinda tough. I'm thinking I might be in the 1.5 hour range at full speed and no problems, but since when are there no problems? I'm wondering how bad it would be every other week, and charging $150 so he can afford it (its his girlfriend's place that her e husband bought in case you're wondering why a guy in a million dollar house can't pay to get the yard mowed). If I had to go as slow as last time, it wouldn't be worth it, but if I could zip along, I think that'd be fair. Yeah, its far, but I wouldn't be driving around town to 5 $30 yards either, just driving once and going home so it'd work out even I guess. Thoughts? Should I just forget about it? It would be $300 extra a month. No matter what, even on bad days, this sure beats waiting tables, and telling my kids "No, I can't take you to the fireworks because I have to work".
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-29-2009, 11:59 PM
turfmaster's Avatar
turfmaster turfmaster is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 366
Rep Power: 6
turfmaster is on a distinguished road
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by andyjoneslawncare View Post
You know whats awesome? Posting that I had a bad day and hearing everyone elses problems too. Good to know I'm not alone. No matter how much you guys tell me, for some reason I insist on learning everything the hard way. This time, it was more of a favor thing, but when he asked when I'll be back I was shocked, and I actually think he thought he was doing me a favor throwing me 70 bucks. I almost spent that much in gas. I wish I had an accurate acreage of grass for you, but the property has so much going on, with the pond, woods, fence, etc thats its kinda tough. I'm thinking I might be in the 1.5 hour range at full speed and no problems, but since when are there no problems? I'm wondering how bad it would be every other week, and charging $150 so he can afford it (its his girlfriend's place that her e husband bought in case you're wondering why a guy in a million dollar house can't pay to get the yard mowed). If I had to go as slow as last time, it wouldn't be worth it, but if I could zip along, I think that'd be fair. Yeah, its far, but I wouldn't be driving around town to 5 $30 yards either, just driving once and going home so it'd work out even I guess. Thoughts? Should I just forget about it? It would be $300 extra a month. No matter what, even on bad days, this sure beats waiting tables, and telling my kids "No, I can't take you to the fireworks because I have to work".
$150.00 would be the lowest I would go if you can get it all done in 1 1/2 hours especially with that drive time.
Cutting bi-weekly might slow you down and would be tougher on your mower.
As long as your not killing your equipment I would do it.
I personally prefer larger properties. Less loading and unloading and windshield time.
As long as I average $50-60.00/ hour from arrival to leaving I'm fine.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-30-2009, 04:37 AM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 9
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

We have a few bi weekly mow jobs and so far they have been fine, our growing conditions are not as good as yours, perhaps I should say the grass probably doesnlt grow near as fast.

Since you know the fellow just explain with the cost of fuel, travel and the size you have to get at least $xxx.xx and see what he says, there is no way he could do a property that size with a push mower and it doesn't sound like he is going to drop the bucks for a ride on so you have that on your side.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-30-2009, 07:24 AM
andyjoneslawncare's Avatar
andyjoneslawncare andyjoneslawncare is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sarasota, FL
Age: 41
Posts: 75
Rep Power: 7
andyjoneslawncare is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by picframer View Post
We have a few bi weekly mow jobs and so far they have been fine, our growing conditions are not as good as yours, perhaps I should say the grass probably doesnlt grow near as fast.

Since you know the fellow just explain with the cost of fuel, travel and the size you have to get at least $xxx.xx and see what he says, there is no way he could do a property that size with a push mower and it doesn't sound like he is going to drop the bucks for a ride on so you have that on your side.
Good point, I'll just lay it out for him on paper and it'll be up to him. It'll save me a lot of swearing. Obviously, I'd like $150/week, I just can't see him springing for $600/ month, but if last time the grass was 3 weeks high, 2 weeks might not be so bad. Like Turfmaster said, it beats loading and unloading at 4-5 different houses, and its really no more driving than I'd do going to that many homes instead, and like you said, other than finding someone closer to mow it for him, what choice does he have? Even if his neighbor had a lawn business, they'd probably charge just as much.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Compare this summer to...
Steve
09-03-2014 12:52 PM
Today 05:16 AM
by acrajchel
14 906
Getting lowballed!
PineHillLawn
06-27-2012 07:23 AM
Today 05:12 AM
by acrajchel
22 4,640
Lowballers scrubs &...
Darksteel
01-13-2014 07:35 AM
Today 05:06 AM
by Northwoods Outdoors
53 6,380
snowplowing
jshak40
09-01-2014 07:20 AM
Today 05:02 AM
by Northwoods Outdoors
20 1,103
Help With Snow Blowing...
Robertf31
09-13-2014 10:55 PM
Yesterday 09:04 PM
by Robertf31
7 290
Tribulations of working...
stevef1201
09-13-2014 08:37 AM
Yesterday 05:16 PM
by stevef1201
3 217
Non-Stop Summer?
SouthallMowing
09-14-2014 10:51 PM
Yesterday 05:12 PM
by brian'slawncare
2 126
Poll - net income
Dan5082
11-15-2010 08:08 PM
Yesterday 03:53 PM
by jrs.landscaping
9 2,989
thinking about throwing...
veteranslawncaresystems
09-09-2014 10:31 PM
Yesterday 03:41 PM
by Steve
12 613
Hello
Robertf31
09-12-2014 10:34 PM
Yesterday 03:17 PM
by Steve
2 244
Newbie......Again
Jibber
09-13-2014 12:17 PM
Yesterday 02:54 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 212
Replacing a Shindi T-27
Dan Tanner
09-13-2014 12:59 PM
Yesterday 02:31 PM
by Steve
1 181
need help with starter...
GoGreenerKS
09-12-2014 04:23 PM
Yesterday 02:25 PM
by Steve
3 262
Brake job!
kslawn
08-30-2014 07:49 AM
Yesterday 02:16 PM
by Steve
12 944
Hello
jawnebgoode
08-28-2014 08:37 PM
Yesterday 02:15 PM
by Steve
3 739
Employee uniforms
Gerardo_Landscape
01-21-2014 11:11 PM
Yesterday 02:12 PM
by Steve
5 857
Greetings from the north
Northwoods Outdoors
09-13-2014 08:55 AM
Yesterday 02:07 PM
by Steve
1 197
darleneh
darleneh
Yesterday 12:33 PM
Yesterday 02:07 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
1 65
My 1st bid
WesleySnips
06-11-2014 03:13 PM
Yesterday 02:05 PM
by Steve
29 1,631
Price to apply fertilizer
SS.Lawncare
Yesterday 11:10 AM
Yesterday 01:56 PM
by SS.Lawncare
3 97
New Aerator
Chaz
09-09-2014 11:43 PM
Yesterday 01:50 PM
by Steve
9 464
Yearly contract Pricing
jrob0691
08-21-2014 08:57 AM
Yesterday 01:23 PM
by stevef1201
8 1,114
Scag turf tiger hydrolic...
ExtremeLawncareServices
09-04-2014 10:55 PM
09-14-2014 03:06 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
8 650
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
09-13-2014 09:14 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
116 7,824
getting ready to start
calebmoss
05-23-2011 09:35 PM
09-11-2014 12:21 PM
by Steve
34 11,115
Stihl pull cord replace
SGL1
09-03-2014 09:22 PM
09-10-2014 12:25 PM
by Steve
9 659
Softball field
kslawn
08-15-2014 09:28 AM
09-10-2014 12:16 PM
by Steve
18 1,388
Lawn Route Templates
Landscaper1165
08-30-2014 01:52 PM
09-09-2014 08:05 PM
by Landscaper1165
4 871
New truck and trailer...
Johnny Rocket
05-14-2012 03:41 PM
09-09-2014 07:23 PM
by Matther777
18 6,462
What gets you bad press?
Steve
09-09-2014 11:48 AM
09-09-2014 07:21 PM
by Matther777
2 374
Signs on your snow plow?
Steve
01-15-2007 01:07 AM
09-09-2014 11:42 AM
by Steve
19 6,112
Exmark Lazer Z S-Series...
BLC7
08-22-2014 10:18 AM
09-08-2014 08:08 PM
by avetslawncare
12 1,162
New to the business
flamingyouth87
09-05-2014 11:52 AM
09-08-2014 11:55 AM
by Steve
3 574
Hello from Ohio
kurtwin
08-28-2014 05:06 PM
09-08-2014 11:51 AM
by Steve
7 852
Facebook
element009
03-23-2011 08:36 AM
09-07-2014 07:35 AM
by avetslawncare
24 7,622
Help pricing cut down 7...
Bradcook21
08-26-2014 11:17 PM
09-06-2014 02:09 PM
by Bradcook21
8 934
billing matters
sbuchanan8154
09-05-2014 09:56 AM
09-05-2014 03:00 PM
by Steve
3 551
Thoughts
googus
09-05-2014 07:28 AM
09-05-2014 02:23 PM
by Steve
2 507
Backflow Tester
flowcheckllc.2014
09-03-2014 04:37 PM
09-05-2014 02:15 PM
by Steve
3 584
Collections & collection...
jscarolina
09-03-2014 04:39 PM
09-04-2014 03:14 PM
by Steve
2 609
Sod
RosalesLawnCare
08-27-2014 03:47 PM
09-04-2014 02:42 PM
by RosalesLawnCare
4 855
Lawn needs top soil What...
jymie
08-26-2014 11:01 AM
09-03-2014 12:07 PM
by Steve
7 930
Hello! New here and...
CaliforniaFriendly
08-29-2014 11:30 AM
09-03-2014 11:15 AM
by Steve
4 831
Trailer tires
J.A.S.LawnService
09-01-2014 10:17 AM
09-02-2014 03:27 PM
by Steve
3 746
Mowing 7 acres
avetslawncare
08-31-2014 04:24 PM
09-02-2014 03:11 PM
by Steve
5 819
New to the industry-...
Lsmain
08-31-2014 10:53 AM
09-02-2014 02:58 PM
by Steve
1 745
Walk Behinds and Texas...
SGL1
08-26-2014 03:53 PM
09-01-2014 11:36 PM
by SGL1
7 932
Stihl engine isn't...
Marcintosh
08-12-2014 08:30 PM
08-28-2014 09:28 PM
by Marcintosh
12 1,232
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
08-27-2014 08:33 PM
by kurtwin
1,187 333,746
How do I approach...
Bradcook21
08-21-2014 01:48 AM
08-26-2014 05:08 AM
by Billy Goat
12 1,342
» Popular Tags
2wd 4x4 apartment complex article marketing bid birdscaping blades charge collections collections subcontractor commercial credit card decorating ditches ecosymbiosis employee problems exmark ferris gopherhaul grass gravely hardscapes health holiday lighting honda how much to charge hydraulic installation landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business podcast lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care seo lawn care website leaf lighting brass outdoor lights marketing monthly mow mulch native plants new buisness past due patio install podcast promotion redmax running a business savannah scag scag v-ride schedule seo snow starting a business steep lawns stihl sulky theft of services top dresser toro truck new used landscape turfgrass consulting walk behind walker won't return
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:11 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:11 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy