Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > Truck, Trailer, and Outdoor Power Equipment Discussion, Repairs.

Truck, Trailer, and Outdoor Power Equipment Discussion, Repairs. Questions on your truck, trailer, commercial lawn mowers, lawn mower, mower parts, lawn tractors, engines, edgers, trimmers, pole saws, aerators, hydro seeders, snow plows, chain saws, stump grinders??

Echo PB-413H giving me problems


Truck, Trailer, and Outdoor Power Equipment Discussion, Repairs.

Questions on your truck, trailer, commercial lawn mowers, lawn mower, mower parts, lawn tractors, engines, edgers, trimmers, pole saws, aerators, hydro seeders, snow plows, chain saws, stump grinders??
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 05-18-2009, 09:05 AM
Fresh Cut's Avatar
Fresh Cut Fresh Cut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 235
Rep Power: 8
Fresh Cut is on a distinguished road
Default Echo PB-413H giving me problems

A while ago I was having really bad problems with it and I needed to finish a customers yard so I pulled the spark plug out and put in the only extra plug I had with me, and extra spark plug for my Toro 36" walk behind.

It started up, ran good enough for me to finish the yard, and I kept it in.


Here lately, it has been cutting off on me and hard to start afterwards. It was doing fine for a while.
It will cut off on me while I'm blowing full throttle and I won't be able to start it for a while. I slide the choke lever all the way up, pull it a couple times and it sounds like it wants to start. Then I pull the choke lever down about halfway and pull, and it starts sometimes... but then putts out on me. Sometimes it won't even start this way, it just sounds like it wants to start when I have the choke lever all the way up.

That same customer gave me some Amsoil 2 cycle oil that I mixed and have been using in everything I have that's 2-cycle every since. I like it, my Redmax Trimmer seems to like it as well. Since I used the last of it yesterday and can't buy it locally, I'll have to wait on the customer to get some more because he's a dealer, I'm going back to regular 2 cycle oil that I usually see at the gas station today.

I'm telling all this because I don't know what the problem is. I'm not sure if it's the fuel mixture, if the blower is running too lean or rich, or if having a different spark plug in it is causing it to act differently.

I'm leaning towards it being the spark plug because my Toro 36" walk behind isn't a 2 cycle machine, it uses straight gas. So possibly the plug worked temporarily but can't be depended on long term as it wasn't for this application.

Thanks in advance for advice.
Fresh Cut
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 05-18-2009, 09:58 AM
VPS Lawn Care
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
It sounds to me that you are having a problem with your carb, or have you changed the air filter lately, they love a fresh air filter, i change mine weekly, very important, i have the same unit, since new and never a problem. Gl
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-18-2009, 10:39 AM
Fresh Cut's Avatar
Fresh Cut Fresh Cut is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 235
Rep Power: 8
Fresh Cut is on a distinguished road
Default

Air filter is relatively clean.

I have no idea how to adjust the carb on it. Is it hard or do you suggest taking it to somebody to do it for me?

I really need help on this. I think I'm going to take that spark plug out and buy the plug for its application.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-18-2009, 01:24 PM
SuperiorPower
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

First, start out with replacing the spark plug. If that does not cut it, it may need to have the carb rebuilt and adjusted. Adjusting the carburetor is not something I would recommend doing unless you have proper training because you can get one out to far and the other in too far and never get it right unless you know the base setting. Plus, by now most equipment have limiter caps so you don't know where you are at anyway.

So a recap, Spark plug then pursue the fuel issue. It could be a diaphragm problem or a plugged fuel filter, fuel line leaking, or any number of other fuel isues (if it is a fuel problem).

Good luck,
Eli
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-18-2009, 03:06 PM
justin_time justin_time is offline
Justin
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: French River, ON, Canada
Age: 30
Posts: 1,801
Rep Power: 0
justin_time is on a distinguished road
Default

I see your problem, you don't have a Stihl
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-18-2009, 08:04 PM
CheapNEasy CheapNEasy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Georgia
Age: 32
Posts: 119
Rep Power: 8
CheapNEasy is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

To adjust the air fuel mixture screws, run get a small screw driver, using two fingers to not run them in to TIGHT! Run both in until stop, back both out 1/4 of a turn. Prime/Choke, pull 2 times, unchoke, pull once and commence work as usual!



Hope this helps you! *Check the plug too though*
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-19-2009, 08:58 PM
SuperiorPower
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CheapNEasy View Post
To adjust the air fuel mixture screws, run get a small screw driver, using two fingers to not run them in to TIGHT! Run both in until stop, back both out 1/4 of a turn. Prime/Choke, pull 2 times, unchoke, pull once and commence work as usual!



Hope this helps you! *Check the plug too though*
Like I said before, this is only something that a trained technician should do. Typically, there will be a limiter cap on it and you will be no better off than before. And God forbid you remove the cap, and you don't know what you are doing (read, are trained to do so) you can really screw it up. To make matter worse, if you are able to adjust it to where the blower runs, you may very well have adjusted it to the point where it will burn up. Yes, this is possible. The mixture screws are "limited" for a reason. Here are several of those reasons, among other reasons, for the environmental reasons to prevent it from being set to "rich" to where it uses to much fuel, loses power, fouls plugs, creates extra and unnecessary carbon, or even prevent it from starting under certain conditions.

Another reason is to prevent the wrong combination which can cause it to over heat, or under lubricate, or not run at all. As I indicated, the correct combination setting is required for the machine to operate properly. Besides the above mentioned results of improper adjustment, like I mentioned earlier, you can destroy your machine by burning it up!!! I think a tuneup fee at a local servicing dealer would be considerably cheaper!!!

With 4 cycle engines you can cause extreme damage to the engine if it runs too rich (and you would never know it is too rich) because too much gas washes the oil off the cylinders causing it to not be lubricated properly.

For those reasons, I would highly recommend NEVER ADJUSTING a carburetor, 2 cycle or 4 Cycle, unless you are properly trained to do so. As a mechanic, for the above mentioned reasons, I have to respectfully disagree with CheapNEasy.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-19-2009, 09:03 PM
SuperiorPower
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh Cut View Post
A while ago I was having really bad problems with it and I needed to finish a customers yard so I pulled the spark plug out and put in the only extra plug I had with me, and extra spark plug for my Toro 36" walk behind.
A brand new, perfectly good spark plug, installed in the wrong machine, may not function. I have seen on several occasions where a wrong spark plug was installed in a machine, tho there was nothing wrong with the plug, the machine would not start or would start extremely hard. I have also seen they would run rough, just because of a spark plug. For the price of a spark plug, you can't take a chance. Try a new plug. If this does not do it, take it to a local servicing dealer whom you trust, preferably one who sells and services Echo. And, no, Home Depot does not qualify as a servicing dealer......


Good luck,
Eli
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-19-2009, 09:59 PM
CheapNEasy CheapNEasy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Georgia
Age: 32
Posts: 119
Rep Power: 8
CheapNEasy is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

I in no way was meaning for him to not have a certified tech inspect and adjust the unit, I was mearly giving factory specs for the unit and a temporary fix to finish a job if needed in the future. I myself am a certified GM mechanic for 10 years now and certified small engine mechanic for 2 years.

He can use the factory presets to complete a job as needed. As for adjusting to much, that is why I specifically stated the use Two fingers and LIGHTLY adjust..... With two fingers it is rather hard to break the stops on the adjustment screws.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-19-2009, 11:50 PM
CheapNEasy CheapNEasy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Georgia
Age: 32
Posts: 119
Rep Power: 8
CheapNEasy is an unknown quantity at this point
Default

I do apologize, seems I misread the post and gave you specifications for Stihl unit.

Here is a link to the Owners Manual for your specific unit. There will be a section to reset to factory conditions and how to properly set them.

http://www.echo-usa.com/pdf/document...s02_012703.pdf
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Echo Bed Edger tomcat172002 Truck, Trailer, and Outdoor Power Equipment Discussion, Repairs. 5 05-12-2009 06:09 PM
Echo vs Stihl tomcat172002 Truck, Trailer, and Outdoor Power Equipment Discussion, Repairs. 16 04-25-2009 08:46 AM
Not giving it enough time? Steve HardcoreUnemployable.com 15 03-23-2009 07:03 PM
BIG Echo giveaways for Spring Little's General Business Discussions 1 03-07-2008 10:28 PM
Giving away too much for free? Steve General Business Discussions 1 04-10-2007 01:58 PM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
How much to charge for...
jymie
03-31-2013 05:59 PM
Yesterday 08:02 PM
by Steve
25 6,022
Now Hiring Just South of...
Chilehead
Yesterday 11:38 AM
Yesterday 11:38 AM
by Chilehead
0 20
Hi from Long Island NY
Lori22
07-18-2016 02:01 PM
07-26-2016 11:22 PM
by Chilehead
11 252
Hi everyone!
greenwavemedia
07-25-2016 03:22 PM
07-26-2016 11:21 AM
by Lawnline
2 55
Hi! I'm Tony from Tampa
Lawnline
07-12-2016 06:47 PM
07-26-2016 11:12 AM
by Lawnline
6 661
Needing a website built
burtle
06-17-2015 09:02 AM
07-26-2016 10:30 AM
by Lawnline
16 18,741
Z246 Deck change question
JohnsLawnCare
07-25-2016 01:47 PM
07-25-2016 06:38 PM
by Steve
1 46
DIY Sprayer
acrajchel
07-25-2016 09:13 AM
07-25-2016 06:36 PM
by Steve
1 45
Hello Everyone
JohnsLawnCare
06-22-2016 11:14 AM
07-25-2016 06:20 PM
by Steve
15 576
New Site Hows it look
Infinitelawn
03-16-2015 10:32 AM
07-25-2016 03:06 PM
by greenwavemedia
5 10,510
Looking for new host
Just for Cuts
11-26-2015 06:58 AM
07-25-2016 02:49 PM
by greenwavemedia
9 1,492
New Business Owner
danesdanglas87
07-20-2016 12:31 PM
07-21-2016 05:04 PM
by Steve
2 119
Question about...
Bradcook21
07-18-2016 05:22 PM
07-19-2016 04:38 PM
by Steve
2 142
Hello from Watertown New...
lawnmanrick81
07-19-2016 03:57 PM
07-19-2016 04:11 PM
by Steve
1 83
Gutter Cleaning Tool
DanielThomas
07-18-2016 08:23 AM
07-18-2016 04:36 PM
by Steve
1 114
Starting on a lawn care...
Coco3465
07-16-2016 11:26 AM
07-17-2016 09:20 AM
by Steve
1 142
Aspiring Company Owner
TJ136
07-12-2016 05:12 AM
07-15-2016 02:52 PM
by SC93
6 243
Hi Everyone
JavelinaLawn
07-10-2016 07:29 PM
07-13-2016 02:01 PM
by Chilehead
5 778
Review of our lawn care...
Lawnline
07-12-2016 06:40 PM
07-12-2016 06:40 PM
by Lawnline
0 410
Custom Canopies
JohnsLawnCare
07-12-2016 08:38 AM
07-12-2016 04:14 PM
by Steve
1 287
Spot checked by...
Just for Cuts
06-28-2016 02:34 PM
07-11-2016 03:53 PM
by Steve
4 306
John Deere JS40 issues
Mr. Mow
07-06-2016 01:28 PM
07-11-2016 03:52 PM
by Steve
3 231
Start My Own Business?
mowandblow1980
01-12-2016 07:43 PM
07-11-2016 11:18 AM
by DanielThomas
15 1,785
Rubber mulch...
avetslawncare
06-24-2015 09:28 PM
07-11-2016 09:11 AM
by Chilehead
9 3,315
Firefighter gone Lawn...
Firehouselawn@hotmail.com
03-10-2016 04:50 PM
07-07-2016 05:07 PM
by Steve
11 10,568
I need some business...
Firehouselawn@hotmail.com
07-06-2016 05:42 AM
07-07-2016 05:00 PM
by Steve
4 273
Business Overload
Chilehead
05-06-2016 09:27 PM
07-07-2016 04:53 PM
by Steve
24 1,291
Chemical Applications
acrajchel
06-24-2016 06:44 PM
07-05-2016 12:38 PM
by Chilehead
6 390
Is it too late?
Cpadgett
05-28-2016 09:10 AM
07-05-2016 11:54 AM
by Steve
14 898
3 Applications or 5...
stansg1fresh
02-18-2013 12:02 PM
07-04-2016 09:19 AM
by LawnPerfection
9 1,717
Best Push Mower You Have...
markty
05-14-2016 03:46 PM
07-02-2016 03:41 AM
by markty
27 1,964
Great Arborist Ladder
SGL1
06-04-2016 09:56 AM
06-28-2016 08:04 PM
by mowandblow1980
11 710
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:27 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:27 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy