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Old 05-16-2009, 11:51 PM
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This week I have done 2 jobs where I tilled the entire lawn. One 24,000 sg. ft. and the other 19,000 sq. ft. I rented a Kubuto front loader with a rerar tiller ($400.00 per day plus delivery and pick-up and fuel - $530.00 plus). I charge rental fees plus $350.00 labor. I'm looking at picking up another 8 - 10 jobs.

I found this http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...000P?adCell=W3 for $1,200.00. If I charged $350.00 per job, I could pay for it with just 4 jobs. Also, with the rental tractor, I have to skip where the septic tank is and use a walk behind for fear of crushing the septic tank. This would bypass that.

I have a Craftsman 26HP ZTT-52 tractor/mower I picked up at an estate auction for $1,100.00 to pull it with.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. I was looking at putting down $6,000.00 and financing a model similar to what I am now renting and then would hae to get a different truck (SC law requires a 1 ton capacity vehicle to transport it).

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Steve, At the rate you are going I would encourage you to consider a small four wheel drive Kubota or John Deere tractor that has a three point hitch and PTO, I know it is considerable capital to start with however it will open a lot of doors and pay for itself fairly quick.

I do not know your terrain so my observation would be based on my experience here. I pull tiller for a lawn tractor would not work well, we till a lot of gardens and lawns and we quite often use four wheel drive for grades etc.

Does your rental place rent a pull tiller you could attach to one of your tractors to try so that you would know if it might work? I believe what you are renting is PTO driven. The other thing I would do it talk to the rental place and work a deal, we rent a compactor from time to time and they give us a 50% discount off consumer rental prices.

You might also be able to lease a tractor if the up front capital is a concern, keep in mind Kubota and John Deere have 0% financing on at the moment.

You had mentioned the Kubota dealer was getting a small CUT (Compact Utility Tractor) in, these things really hold their value and are not cheap but then again in my experience they pay for themselves in 6 months or less.

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Steve, At the rate you are going I would encourage you to consider a small four wheel drive Kubota or John Deere tractor that has a three point hitch and PTO, I know it is considerable capital to start with however it will open a lot of doors and pay for itself fairly quick.

I do not know your terrain so my observation would be based on my experience here. I pull tiller for a lawn tractor would not work well, we till a lot of gardens and lawns and we quite often use four wheel drive for grades etc.

Does your rental place rent a pull tiller you could attach to one of your tractors to try so that you would know if it might work? I believe what you are renting is PTO driven. The other thing I would do it talk to the rental place and work a deal, we rent a compactor from time to time and they give us a 50% discount off consumer rental prices.

You might also be able to lease a tractor if the up front capital is a concern, keep in mind Kubota and John Deere have 0% financing on at the moment.

You had mentioned the Kubota dealer was getting a small CUT (Compact Utility Tractor) in, these things really hold their value and are not cheap but then again in my experience they pay for themselves in 6 months or less.

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Andy,

I see your point, but you are much larger than I am. I have 2 equiped trucks and 3 employees (took on 2 this week). I do plan on getting what you suggest, but I want to do it without financing if possible. At the rate I charge per sq. ft, I could recap my investment with 3-4 jobs and have that income to build my cash reserve for future purchases. I give myself a salary and refrain from "dipping in" to the assets of the business.

I'm 60 years old, My equipment is all paid for, I have 3 years - 7 months left on my house mortgage. Maybe, if I see more assurances that jobs and the market will continue to grow I will change my outlook. I feel our current President is only going to make doing business more difficult and much more expensive. Unemployment here is now 9.9% and growing.

The terrain here is mostly compacted sand with some clay here and there so I feel this equipment will do the job for now. I have a 6 month living expense reserve and would like to keep it for emergencies. Neither the Kubota or John Deere dealerships have 0% financing. Neither even have in-house financing.

If things go bust, I will be out $1,300.00 instead of $20,000.00. I have 8-10 pending jobs that will need tilling (and sod). Success here will greatly ease my concerns and probably will change my outlook.

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This week I have done 2 jobs where I tilled the entire lawn. One 24,000 sg. ft. and the other 19,000 sq. ft. I rented a Kubuto front loader with a rerar tiller ($400.00 per day plus delivery and pick-up and fuel - $530.00 plus). I charge rental fees plus $350.00 labor. I'm looking at picking up another 8 - 10 jobs.

I found this http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...000P?adCell=W3 for $1,200.00. If I charged $350.00 per job, I could pay for it with just 4 jobs. Also, with the rental tractor, I have to skip where the septic tank is and use a walk behind for fear of crushing the septic tank. This would bypass that.
I think you should keep looking for something else. The size of the jobs you talk about compared to the size of that craftsman tiller would be a joke.
I looked at the tiller and read the reviews and watched the demo video.
It would take you a long time to do one of these jobs and I dont think you would be able to do many with this tiller before it broke down.

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I think you should keep looking for something else. The size of the jobs you talk about compared to the size of that craftsman tiller would be a joke.
I looked at the tiller and read the reviews and watched the demo video.
It would take you a long time to do one of these jobs and I dont think you would be able to do many with this tiller before it broke down.

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Thanks for the input.

The jobs I have pending are 8-10k. The 2 I did this week are exceptions. It is hard to justify a $500.00 plus rental fee, and the rental place only has 1 and it is in demand. I had to wait 2 weeks to get it for 2 days and they charge $65.00 per pick up and delivery. For the 2 jobs I did last week it cost $195.00 for this.

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What do you think you might do then?

It also makes you wonder if you could get one of these and rent it out although I am sure that would create other headaches but it seems if they are in demand, others out there would either want to rent them or hire someone to perform the service.

This reminds me of a post Andy made in the past about one of his attachments that he had gotten,
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What do you think you might do then?

It also makes you wonder if you could get one of these and rent it out although I am sure that would create other headaches but it seems if they are in demand, others out there would either want to rent them or hire someone to perform the service.

This reminds me of a post Andy made in the past about one of his attachments that he had gotten,
I agree, I understand twenty grand is a big investment but I guess I am a bit of a risk taker and go after it. I put $97,000 of my own money into the company in February, the company will soon have enough to pay me off, if I wish.

I decided today, being my B day, to say to heck with it and continue to grow, I am buying a John Deere 17D excavator, it's a $40,000 investment but I have more than that on the books in jobs to do.

Personally I don't pay a lot of attention to the economy, it is driven for the most part by the media, the media does more damage to the economy than any other thing I am aware of, when I wrote my Masters degree, this is what my thesis was on.

Also tend to buck the trends, there is all kinds of work out there but it doesn't come to you, one has to go after it. I have only been in business since the second week of April, we are now 11 employees and growing and are booked solid into mid June. The majority of the new business is referrals as I stopped all advertising a couple weeks ago, I don't like making people wait.

Anyhow bud, give it careful thought, I don't think the craftsman unit will do the job, I did some researching on Google and wasn't very impressed.

What is your biggest tractor that you own?

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Steve, The guys over on the John Deere forum love these units, never seen one but there are a pile of guys that swear by them

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This is much better. With the Cult-packer attachment ($355.00), you can till, seed, and roll inthe same operation.

It is $1,100 ($1,300.00 with electric controls) more but the features and warranty is better. The 1 gallon gas tank I think could be bigger but they say it gets 90 minutes per tank.

I sent for more info.

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This is much better. With the Cult-packer attachment ($355.00), you can till, seed, and roll inthe same operation.

It is $1,100 ($1,300.00 with electric controls) more but the features and warranty is better. The 1 gallon gas tank I think could be bigger but they say it gets 90 minutes per tank.

I sent for more info.

Thanks,

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Some of the guys over on the forum said they have excellent financing. I know two guys on the forum quite well that do the same things as I do and they tell me these products are very well made, one fellow has become a great friend and knows his stuff so I believe this would be a far better option for you and let us know what you decide and how it works out.

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