Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Just starting your lawn care or landscaping business? > Community Assistance

Community Assistance Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.

I can't take it any more!!!!


Community Assistance

Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 12-23-2008, 06:52 AM
EasyPro's Avatar
EasyPro EasyPro is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 167
Rep Power: 7
EasyPro is on a distinguished road
Default I can't take it any more!!!!

The Astrix shows the winning bid . . .The lowest go figure! I talked to the school district and asked them if they are going to enforce the contract this year . . . In the RFP it states all side walks to be edged once a month . . . last year the side walks were never edged . . . . This bid is for 5 schools here locally and it takes about fifteen hours with a 3 man crew (one on a trimmer/edger other two on mowers) this price also includes mulching and trimming all the shrubs at the school . . .. ARE YOU SERIOUS ALLL THAT FOR $650 dollars a week!!!!!! There is no way this guy is making money . . .I would even venture to say he is loosing money!!!!

This is the kinda stuff that really gets my blood boiling!!!!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg bidcompare.jpg (164.6 KB, 32 views)
__________________
DJ Carroll
EasyPro Property Services
502-525-3279
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 12-23-2008, 07:44 AM
ritchiem
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
I totally know how you feel. I just put a bid on a huge municipal job. One of the jobs is a 3 acre cemetery. It would take me 3 hours to do a real nice job clean up the mess and leave. I charge $45.00 per man hour so that would be 2 guys at 1.5hrs each = $135.00 per cut.

Guess what the winning bid was on that job.....$20.00 per cut....and I am not joking...that same company bid $7.00 per cut on other jobs. Now that got me pissed beyond all belief.

You would think that after spending $30K on equipment that I could charge professional rate and people would take quality over price. Instead they give the jobs to a guy who doesn't have a license and rides his craftsman riding mower from job to job. Geez.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-23-2008, 04:13 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 37,460
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
The Astrix shows the winning bid . . .The lowest go figure! I talked to the school district and asked them if they are going to enforce the contract this year .
Do you know if this is the same company that serviced it last year? I wonder if they know that they just don't have to put in the extra work. If no one checks up on it, maybe they figured a way to cheat the system?

How did you get this form? Did you just ask for it? It is very useful information for you.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-23-2008, 04:45 PM
EasyPro's Avatar
EasyPro EasyPro is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 167
Rep Power: 7
EasyPro is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Do you know if this is the same company that serviced it last year? I wonder if they know that they just don't have to put in the extra work. If no one checks up on it, maybe they figured a way to cheat the system?

How did you get this form? Did you just ask for it? It is very useful information for you.
They sent it to me in the mail with the letter stating the winner . . .. yes its the same people as last year . . .. I guess I should recognize that this type of work doesn't fit my business model
__________________
DJ Carroll
EasyPro Property Services
502-525-3279
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-23-2008, 05:25 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 37,460
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

The thing I wonder is this. If you get such a contract and no one is going to check up on you how you do. Then what's to stop the winner from doing the bare bones minimum?

Is there any downside to not providing all the services set forth in the agreement? What is the worst they can do? Could they simply just fire you or would there be fines associated with it?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-24-2008, 12:10 PM
EasyPro's Avatar
EasyPro EasyPro is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 167
Rep Power: 7
EasyPro is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
The thing I wonder is this. If you get such a contract and no one is going to check up on you how you do. Then what's to stop the winner from doing the bare bones minimum?

Is there any downside to not providing all the services set forth in the agreement? What is the worst they can do? Could they simply just fire you or would there be fines associated with it?
Its not about what they could od to me its the fact that i don't want people knowing that a lot that looks like **** is done by EASYPRO
__________________
DJ Carroll
EasyPro Property Services
502-525-3279
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-24-2008, 04:51 PM
legendlawn's Avatar
legendlawn legendlawn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Andover, KS
Posts: 93
Rep Power: 7
legendlawn is on a distinguished road
Default

D.J.

I saw the form. With this guy beating your price by almost half, the likelihood of him being insured and paying taxes is minimum. Is there any way that you can find this out? Did you have to provide proof of ins. or anything to bid? Maybe if they are not insured you could point this out to the customer, however I doubt that would solve much at this point. Also. with the other two bids being closer to your price, but still cheaper, do you think you overbid at all?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-24-2008, 07:16 PM
EasyPro's Avatar
EasyPro EasyPro is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 167
Rep Power: 7
EasyPro is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by legendlawn View Post
D.J.

I saw the form. With this guy beating your price by almost half, the likelihood of him being insured and paying taxes is minimum. Is there any way that you can find this out? Did you have to provide proof of ins. or anything to bid? Maybe if they are not insured you could point this out to the customer, however I doubt that would solve much at this point. Also. with the other two bids being closer to your price, but still cheaper, do you think you overbid at all?
Over Bidding is not in my vocab . .(not trying to be a smart ***) but i know what i need to make, anything less than that is unacceptable and could possibly cause me to loose money
__________________
DJ Carroll
EasyPro Property Services
502-525-3279
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-26-2008, 01:59 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 37,460
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Its not about what they could od to me its the fact that i don't want people knowing that a lot that looks like **** is done by EASYPRO
This is a very good point. It sounds like this job is just a non-winner unless you are a lawn care operation that doesn't care about what the end result looks like.

I'd love to see some pictures taken of the job they do.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-12-2009, 03:43 PM
FaccLndscpng FaccLndscpng is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Phila PA
Posts: 118
Rep Power: 7
FaccLndscpng is on a distinguished road
Default

Basically what we all have to accept the fact that anyone from the kid home from college trying to make some money to the old man who drives a beat up pick up truck and uses “Craftsman” equipment can be a landscaper. Now we as professionals know it takes more than just that but a majority of people are just looking for the lowest price. There are customers out there that are looking for a quality job but you can’t just wait around for them. And no, those people probably aren’t paying for insurance or taxes and you would expect this from residential accounts but not from commercial. So what should we do lowball and get every job, put competition that wont lowball out of business? I have lost numerous jobs because someone came in and had a lower bid, never by half though…(but it makes you so much angrier). I have even lost a job to someone who came in a bid higher then me and one other person his cuts were like $20 more expensive at a church, and I bid to make some money on the deal but this guy was extreme, it was more or less robbery. But there is not much we can do about this but I always tell customers that a professional knows the proper time to prune your rose bushes, they can identify pests and diseases, and that we are not here to just cut your lawn and leave, we are here to treat your lawn and garden like our own. I don’t say that word for word but I give examples of how it’s better to have a professional treat your property than these so called landscapers. And oh well then if they go for the lowest price than F them they get what they get!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Unemployment rates drop,...
Steve
07-02-2015 12:40 PM
Today 12:48 PM
by GreenWorx
3 108
Is it too late to do...
markty
06-16-2015 05:28 PM
07-03-2015 07:34 PM
by wolfpacker53
5 2,016
I dont know what to do...
Bradcook21
06-21-2015 08:49 AM
07-03-2015 07:33 PM
by stallman419
12 2,209
Should I buy this Exmark...
googus
07-03-2015 09:22 AM
07-03-2015 03:29 PM
by googus
3 101
Just about mid year, how...
GreenWorx
06-24-2015 07:05 PM
07-03-2015 02:53 PM
by American L&T
6 1,940
another newish job for me
holymoly
06-07-2015 08:34 AM
07-03-2015 02:06 PM
by American L&T
9 2,147
Before & After tree...
COREtreeservice
07-01-2015 09:20 PM
07-01-2015 09:20 PM
by COREtreeservice
0 94
Dogs
Mr. Mow
06-29-2015 02:37 PM
07-01-2015 11:28 AM
by Steve
6 1,912
Ready to learn and get...
Koley Lawn & Landscape
06-28-2015 05:16 AM
07-01-2015 11:26 AM
by Steve
8 1,892
Three Stripe Land Care...
hammr04
06-30-2015 07:19 PM
07-01-2015 11:24 AM
by Steve
1 88
Country Life Lawn Care
darleneh
06-29-2015 11:24 AM
06-30-2015 01:25 PM
by Steve
3 1,751
Rubber mulch...
avetslawncare
06-24-2015 09:28 PM
06-29-2015 09:23 PM
by Chilehead
6 1,897
Marketing ideas
xandrew245x
04-29-2014 06:35 AM
06-25-2015 07:11 PM
by GreenWorx
34 5,778
Never ending sod jobs
avetslawncare
06-05-2015 09:46 PM
06-25-2015 11:42 AM
by Steve
11 2,387
Weed and Feed Service...
mike94740
06-23-2015 05:50 PM
06-24-2015 09:56 PM
by avetslawncare
2 1,812
Trimming hedges / trees,...
Hard-Body lawn & garden
06-23-2015 07:08 PM
06-24-2015 09:59 AM
by Steve
1 1,809
Hi Everyone from Arkansas
KellyMarie
06-04-2015 04:16 PM
06-23-2015 01:34 PM
by KellyMarie
4 2,080
how to make customers...
Bradcook21
05-27-2015 05:04 PM
06-23-2015 06:36 AM
by GreenWorx
7 2,320
problems with a customer...
LawnCareMan280
06-16-2015 10:26 PM
06-22-2015 11:11 AM
by Steve
6 2,120
Please review this FREE...
markty
06-21-2015 07:42 AM
06-22-2015 11:00 AM
by Steve
1 1,830
A good commercial bid...
burtle
06-20-2015 09:09 PM
06-22-2015 10:56 AM
by Steve
1 1,897
What would you do with...
holymoly
06-20-2015 06:48 PM
06-22-2015 10:48 AM
by Steve
1 1,860
New Member just joined...
vgoleco@hotmail.com
06-19-2015 03:49 PM
06-22-2015 10:42 AM
by Steve
2 1,855
Credit Cards - What's in...
Shark1611
06-16-2015 03:04 PM
06-21-2015 07:24 PM
by Chilehead
4 1,962
Blade usage
Wolf4dk
06-16-2015 12:18 AM
06-21-2015 05:35 PM
by kslawn
4 1,964
Hello, I am new to the...
adamslawnservices
06-17-2015 08:06 PM
06-19-2015 10:28 AM
by Steve
3 1,890
First commercial bid
SGL1
06-12-2015 08:57 PM
06-18-2015 05:04 PM
by SGL1
9 2,352
Needing a website built
burtle
06-17-2015 09:02 AM
06-18-2015 11:02 AM
by Steve
7 2,041
I have been rude and...
biglee
06-15-2015 10:11 PM
06-18-2015 10:46 AM
by Steve
10 2,124
Start LIKING FACEBOOK...
rlclawncare123
02-26-2015 12:06 AM
06-17-2015 08:38 AM
by burtle
9 3,210
Customer keeps adding...
Mr. Mow
06-13-2015 06:22 AM
06-16-2015 10:23 AM
by Steve
11 2,371
Pass discounts onto...
burnell76
06-03-2015 06:33 PM
06-16-2015 10:02 AM
by burnell76
3 2,056
burned grass only where...
nhauto
06-15-2015 05:28 PM
06-16-2015 09:45 AM
by Steve
2 1,926
Half year mark review.
Steve
06-02-2015 11:24 AM
06-15-2015 01:04 PM
by Steve
18 2,669
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
01-11-2015 10:41 AM
06-15-2015 01:01 PM
by Steve
86 9,734
New Member
Bruce Fehr
06-05-2015 07:13 PM
06-15-2015 12:53 PM
by Steve
6 2,056
New to the business,...
CarefreeMowing
06-12-2015 02:36 PM
06-15-2015 12:50 PM
by Steve
1 1,945
Beginner Mistakes:...
Steve
01-31-2007 11:45 AM
06-13-2015 08:48 AM
by holymoly
45 12,071
New to the forum, new to...
CarefreeMowing
06-11-2015 12:35 PM
06-12-2015 10:44 AM
by Steve
2 1,858
problems with a customer
LawnCareMan280
05-19-2015 06:28 PM
06-11-2015 10:50 PM
by stallman419
8 2,419
Website Review
Outdoordesignsknox
06-08-2015 08:44 PM
06-11-2015 09:48 PM
by Just for Cuts
13 2,312
Anyone need help? I have...
biglee
05-06-2015 12:22 PM
06-10-2015 01:45 PM
by holymoly
15 3,010
Hello from the GREAT...
gbfarmsllc
06-09-2015 11:10 AM
06-10-2015 01:29 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 1,927
Hey guys and gals, I'm...
Joeyhall
06-03-2015 03:54 PM
06-08-2015 02:15 PM
by chris2500hd
8 2,175
Mowing Bermuda...
Mr. Mow
06-02-2015 12:45 PM
06-08-2015 12:45 PM
by Steve
12 2,333
Hey Guys
PrattLandscaping
06-07-2015 06:37 PM
06-08-2015 12:23 PM
by Steve
2 1,944
Share your stolen...
SGL1
05-27-2015 09:05 PM
06-08-2015 11:54 AM
by Steve
25 2,892
Hello there My name is...
zwalk1839
06-04-2015 11:10 PM
06-08-2015 11:52 AM
by Steve
4 2,059
Laid off oil field...
Mr. Mow
05-30-2015 09:03 AM
06-08-2015 06:20 AM
by Mr. Mow
4 2,170
How do you find one time...
Greg'slawnandlandscape
06-02-2015 09:57 PM
06-05-2015 09:49 PM
by avetslawncare
4 2,091
» Popular Tags
ad landscaping advertising apartment bid apartment complex apartment lawn care estimate applying bark blowout bob villa bush collections commercial contract help curb appeal services deliquentaccounts demonstration ditches door hangers edging employee problems equipment dealer facebook flyers free advertising free lawn care google growing a lawn care business hardscapes hills hiring how to jobs landscape landscape services landscaping lawn care lawn care busines plan lawn mowing marketing marketing secrets mr dave new business ordinance past due patio install per hour charge per hour service plowing pricing push versus ride scag scripts secrets to landscaping sell the vision seo shreaded small engine repair snow plowing square foot steep lawns trailer mate pro tree pics trimmer rack up sell employee web design website website design winterization wood www.greenturion.co.za
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:27 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:27 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy