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This certainly has been something. Everything is an art form in and of itself. SEO is an art form as well as marketing. Then a subset of that is marketing on forums is an art form as well.

I think this did bring up a bunch of very interesting points. If Craig can do this, anyone then has the potential to do this.

Most people don't pay much attention to search engine optimization or for that matter even having a website, but it is quite fascinating how the more you know on the topic, the more you can do.

If I can walk away from this with a lesson, it's the importance of building a brand. Domain name variations can be registered and utilized. If someone can do it, someone will do it. Then if they do it, how will you compete? It makes you think. The thing I thought of was, build your brand.

What makes you stand out? What makes you different? Take this and harness it and make that an ingredient in your brand.

What is everyone else's view on it?
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Wow....what an interesting thread. I have been monitoring this thread, and wondering what Steve's view of the situation. I believe we live in a free enterprise econonmy, and everybody has the right to compete with anybody, as long as it's legal. Now, that doesn't mean that what Craig did was ethical in this situation. I am not 100% sure how Craig found about landonkades domain and S.E.O., but I am under the understanding that it was from another post in this forum where landonkade discussed his S.E.O. If this was the case then what Craig did was unethical. I believe all of us in this forum in particular are brethern in the green industry, and each of us posts here with a certain confidence that they arn't going to be exploited and taken advantage of. If nothing else this thread definantly makes me think about what I say about my business here. I am not taking sides here. I think both sides bring up valid interestng points. Also, there is nothing wrong with "firestarters" as long as we keep it clean. Nothing wrong with a good healthy debate. Everybody can learn something from a good debate and a thread like this.
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Hi,

Craig here.

"lendgend lawn" feels that competing for a keyword that is not connected to my own personal business is somewhat unethical.

If that's the case, so is conventional advertising like the Yellow Pages.

What is my "personal business?"

Yes, I am a "hired gun" just like any Yellow Page account rep. People pay me to promote their business. I just do it using organic (mostly) SEO methods.

If some guy got a hold of me from Dothan AL who wanted to promote his lawn site, I would.

On the other hand, if I just wanted some Ad Sense revenue, and I saw an underdeveloped market, that's fair too.

I could also compete for the SERP "blue bananas on Ferris wheels." Why not?
Nobody has any moral or ethical right to a keyword.

Just so everyone knows, what I'm doing here is showing them that given the correct approach, a small geo-specific website is not that hard to rank.

Dothan AL "lawn care", population under 100,000? In 3 or 4 months, doing it right, anybody can get on the first page!

Denver CO lawn care?

Now you are in a different league (the majors). If you don't know what the SEO pro the "Company on page#1" hired to optimize their site knows, you are out of gas my friend. And even though you will (when you read my report) it ain't gonna happen overnight.

Anyone who has a website needs to promote it. If your site is on page 11, what commercial value are you gaining? You ether need to be 1-5 (called above the fold) or number 10 (10 ain't a bad place to be because eye-tracking research has shown someone would rather hit the last link than move to the next page. I actually try to have a #10 link for some clients.)

You may get direct traffic from someone writing down the URL you have written on your truck, but how often does that happen?

The Yellow Pages are going the way of the rotary phone. My advice? Don't buy stock in them!

Why do you think they run all the ad's saying "Dex knows" promoting their online directory? How many ad's have you seen in the last couple of years promoting "let your fingers do the walking?"

The Yellow Pages are used to level couches in 2009, not find businesses.

People are on their computers, whether at work or at home, more and more.

When the thought hit's them "man, I really need to get that tree pruned", are they gonna get up and rummage through the closet to find the Yellow Pages under the Christmas wrapping paper, or minimize and Google (verb) "tree service Dothan AL?"

You tell me.

On another note, I'm taking the gentle chastising I've received here to heart over my "fire starting" posts.

Even though Mother Teresa might have waded in swinging fat biscuits after being called an "extortionist" and a "rip-off", I have mended my ways.

Here is an offering of conciliation: paste this in to the Update box in your WordPress admin area http://pingates.com/ don't worry about duplicate pings. 'slow down cowboy' doesn't apply.

I've got about 50 more ping sites to give you for your WP, but this beats the pants off of the 'default" auto pinger -http://pingomatic.com/

This tip alone will add a bunch of links per post.

And I reiterate: Matt will get a 301 hosted (it's paid for a year) re-direct when I'm done, to his website. Instead of 7 out of 10 he will have 25 out of 30.

I bet Mother Teresa would find that generous (as it's worth at least a grand to one of his struggling competitors. I could find that guy in five minutes.)

P.S., yes 'richiem", your sites are smoking hot for SEO potential.
Sincerely stated.

Anybody that does not already have a site, why not get a static WordPress from him. Kill 3 birds with one website: Static, WP, and RSS.

Too cheap to last at the current pricing.

Google will kiss you on the lips.

If you don't have a WP installed on your HTML site server, and you want to crawl out of your 1999 cave, have Richie install you one.

Name it your keyword, as in "www.BobsLandscaping.com/DenverLawnCare

If you don't, some other "extortionist" ***hole like me will!

New to this post? Don't quite "get it?"
Go here: http://www.gopherforum.com/showthread.php?t=7696
That's where it started.
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Please read my post again, because that is not what is says. I said that you were more than welcome to compete with other businesses, and even encourage all of us to do so. My post states just that. What I said was unethical was...If you got the idea to go after the Dothan Lawn Care S.E.O. from another post on this forum by landonkade then your actions were unethical. We are here to help each other out not step on each others toes.
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If you don't have a WP installed on your HTML site server, and you want to crawl out of your 1999 cave, have Richie install you one.

Name it your keyword, as in "www.BobsLandscaping.com/DenverLawnCare
I am guessing that if you have a website you should be using subdirectories like that? I didn't know that was too important.


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Here is an offering of conciliation: paste this in to the Update box in your WordPress admin area http://pingates.com/ don't worry about duplicate pings. 'slow down cowboy' doesn't apply.

I've got about 50 more ping sites to give you for your WP, but this beats the pants off of the 'default" auto pinger -http://pingomatic.com/
LOL ok my brain is in overdrive here trying to figure all this out.

From what I can make out, you need to log into your blog and then go to Options | Writing | Update Services

Here is a list of more that I found:

http://blogsearch.google.com/ping/RPC2
http://1470.net/api/ping
http://api.feedster.com/ping
http://api.moreover.com/RPC2
http://api.moreover.com/ping
http://api.my.yahoo.com/RPC2
http://api.my.yahoo.com/rss/ping
http://bblog.com/ping.php
http://bitacoras.net/ping
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/XMLRPC
http://blogdb.jp/xmlrpc
http://blogmatcher.com/u.php
http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc
http://coreblog.org/ping/
http://mod-pubsub.org/kn_apps/blogchatt
http://www.lasermemory.com/lsrpc/
http://ping.amagle.com/
http://ping.bitacoras.com
http://ping.blo.gs/
http://ping.bloggers.jp/rpc/
http://ping.cocolog-nifty.com/xmlrpc
http://ping.blogmura.jp/rpc/
http://ping.exblog.jp/xmlrpc
http://ping.feedburner.com
http://ping.myblog.jp
http://ping.rootblog.com/rpc.php
http://ping.syndic8.com/xmlrpc.php
http://ping.weblogalot.com/rpc.php
http://ping.weblogs.se/
http://pingoat.com/goat/RPC2
http://rcs.datashed.net/RPC2/
http://rpc.blogbuzzmachine.com/RPC2
http://rpc.blogrolling.com/pinger/
http://rpc.icerocket.com:10080/
http://rpc.newsgator.com/
http://rpc.pingomatic.com
http://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
http://rpc.weblogs.com/RPC2
http://topicexchange.com/RPC2
http://trackback.bakeinu.jp/bakeping.php
http://www.a2b.cc/setloc/bp.a2b
http://www.bitacoles.net/ping.php
http://www.blogdigger.com/RPC2
http://www.blogoole.com/ping/
http://www.blogoon.net/ping/
http://www.blogpeople.net/servlet/weblogUpdates
http://www.blogroots.com/tb_populi.blog?id=1
http://www.blogshares.com/rpc.php
http://www.blogsnow.com/ping
http://www.blogstreet.com/xrbin/xmlrpc.cgi
http://www.mod-pubsub.org/kn_apps/blogchatter/ping.php
http://www.newsisfree.com/RPCCloud
http://www.newsisfree.com/xmlrpctest.php
http://www.popdex.com/addsite.php
http://www.snipsnap.org/RPC2
http://www.weblogues.com/RPC/
http://xmlrpc.blogg.de
http://xping.pubsub.com/ping/

I will add them to play with it and see what happens. Very interesting stuff!
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Google says domain extensions don't matter, but my experience with many sites on Google says differently.

Look at this and you tell me?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=

It also shows that you should optimize for way more words than you think you should.

Not everybody types in "lawn care". That's what you type in.

You're inside the bottle looking out. Competing Serp's for this keyword?

5 times as many as "lawn care". But you guy's do this stuff, right?

Who's running this joint now?

P.S., come on it's only for a month, and there is no phone number.

J+W still gets the work fer 'Christs sake, because he has contact info!
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Google says domain extensions don't matter, but my experience with many sites on Google says differently.

Look at this and you tell me?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...earch&aq=f&oq=
Very nice, and I agree, I have the same results with sites I have on google.

btw I also get this error when I clicked on your site:
Error establishing a database connection

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P.S., come on it's only for a month, and there is no phone number.

J+W still gets the work fer 'Christs sake, because he has contact info!
If I was J+W I still wouldnt be thrilled, but thats true, if there is no number they will have to contact some one else. Also search terms for lawn care dont usually pick up until another month or 2.
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I was checking out your site and see that the tags are "Dothan commercial landscape maintenance Dothan landscape, Dothan commercial lawn care, Dothan landscape company, Dothan landscape design, Dothan landscape maintenance, Dothan landscaper, Dothan landscapers, Dothan landscaping, Dothan Lawn Care, Dothan lawn maintenance, Dothan lawn service"

I guess it shows that you are thinking of other search terms people are using to find lawn care in the Dothan area.

I then went to one of the listings for the Dothan area and it was this link http://www.podcastalley.com/podcast_...p?pod_id=69224

A podcast was made to welcome a new user to the site. I took a screen cap, something is messed up with the title.



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http://www.dothan-lawn-care.com Dothan AL lawn care? Dothan landscaping or landscape design? Dothan sprinkler repair, brick pavers or landscape lighting? We are your one stop Dothan Alabama lawn care and landscaping contractor. Contact us at http://www.dothan-lawn-care.com]]>
Was this done accidentally or was it sent in by some kind of program that automatically sends this stuff out?

It is really interesting how you utilize many different media outlets to promote the site and how it helps in the rankings.

In fact there are over 200 titles with the same problem
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This could just be an algorithm fluctuation. I guess we will know in a week.
It seems a little too quick.SE-DLC-1-1.jpg Taken today (click on photo).
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Like I suspected, an "algo float". 1-11-DLC-2nd.jpg
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