Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > Online Lawn Care Estimator - Help me bid this job

Online Lawn Care Estimator - Help me bid this job
If you need help coming up with a bid for a lawn care, landscaping, tree cutting or irrigation job, post the specifics here and pictures of the job site. If you are looking to learn about bidding, review the jobs posted here.

Contracts


Online Lawn Care Estimator - Help me bid this job

If you need help coming up with a bid for a lawn care, landscaping, tree cutting or irrigation job, post the specifics here and pictures of the job site. If you are looking to learn about bidding, review the jobs posted here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 12-03-2007, 04:28 AM
grounded
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Weekly Mowing only!

All the contract outlines I've seen have a clause that removes the customer or company from continued service obligations with a 30 day cancellation letter.

My question is this: why bother with a contract if you will let the customer go if they cancel the contract properly?

my view is this: if you do good work - you will get paid.
If you do good work and don't get paid after 30 days, than you drop the customer. Has anybody had a bad experience with not using a contract for mowing service only?

Has anybody taken a client to small claims court for non payment issues?

What are your thoughts on this? Contract or not

Tom
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 12-03-2007, 10:21 AM
S.P.Martin Lawn Care
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
If its in writing and done correctly, then there can be no misunderstanding.

Something else to consider is whether or not your home state requires by law a contract for proving services and what needs to be in the contract.

For instance, here in Maine if I solicit a home for business, a written contract is required with a 3 day cooling of period. During that period, the homeowner can cancel w/o any reason, only has to let you know they don't want the service. Failure to abide by this law has some very serious expensive repercussions, not to mention a criminal conviction if found guilty.

This law does not apply to commercial accounts or if the customer comes to you. I include the same language just the same.

Another good reason for a contract is the paper trail. You can use the contracts when you go to the bank for loans. Contracts show financial institutions how much you are really making with your enterprise. Taking the time to analyze them at the end of the year will also show where you are undercharging and what trends you need to follow up on.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-03-2007, 04:10 PM
ABurlison
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Here's another question I've been thinking about also, when I submit a proposal to a company which estimates the work they want and the price I will charge, and let's say they accept my bid and sign my proposal form which authorizes and agrees to all the details in it, should I then also sign a contract agreement with them, or do you think the signing of the proposal is sufficient??

Thanks,

ANDY
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-03-2007, 05:19 PM
StartALawnCareBusiness's Avatar
StartALawnCareBusiness StartALawnCareBusiness is offline
Keith
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 731
Rep Power: 0
StartALawnCareBusiness is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi Andy:

On larger jobs, once the proposal is accepted, it doesn't hurt to go the extra step and sign a final agreement.

Back to your original question about the need for contracts: I have always felt $35 and $40 per week residential lawn care customers do not warrent the need for a contract.

If there is a dispute, do you really want to force a customer (or be forced by a customer) to continue doing business with you, even if only for 30 days? That will just make things go from bad to worse.

Residential customers are easy enough to replace so it's really not worth the effort to enforce a contract should the relationship deteriorate.

There are a few instances where, I think, contracts are needed. If you take on a large job which causes you to drop other customers or if you must buy additional equipment to do the work. Also, if the job requires you to purchase supplies up front, you should have think about a contract. Another time to think about a contract is if a significant portion of work is to be done at one time of year (for example leaf cleanup) with the promise that the customer will pay you to mow their grass next summer.

A purchase order doesn't always cover everything in a normal contract but it can be useful in certain circumstances. One time, I had a customer who only wanted grass in his back yard cut every other week but he would pay me the same amount each week. When June rolled around, he wondered why I wasn't mowing the back each time. I was able to show him the P.O. (signed by him) and he remembered making that agreement...all was settled.

These are opinions only. I know some guys like to have contracts for every customer. So, whatever works for you.

Keith
__________________
Start a profitable lawn care business.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-04-2007, 04:35 PM
Realistic Lawn Care Realistic Lawn Care is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 12
Rep Power: 8
Realistic Lawn Care
Default

all of my customers and contract maintence,but next year i think i am going to advertise for a per time. all my commercial properties and contract work. when some gives you 30days, you guys should have a breach of contract agreement in the contract also. i charge all my customers per time on all services i have preformed then subtract the amount they have paid. i will be taking a customer to court this year she quit after 7 months and the amount she would owe me at the end will be over 400$ so about the court if it is over 300 dollars i would try and get that money.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-04-2007, 08:50 PM
Little's's Avatar
Little's Little's is offline
Brandon
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Shasta Lake CA.
Posts: 814
Rep Power: 8
Little's is on a distinguished road
Default

I dont use contracts for my customers unless it is for a large job. It can be a good idea to have an agreement spelled out in the begining listing exactly what services you will be providing before you start. Then down the road they cant try to pull a quick one on you trying to get you to do the gutters or something. it doesnt need to be a contract, just a duties performed agreement.
__________________
Northern California
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-06-2007, 11:55 AM
realhuntin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (S.P.Martin Lawn Care @ Dec. 03 2007,10:21)]If its in writing and done correctly, then there can be no misunderstanding.

Something else to consider is whether or not your home state requires by law a contract for proving services and what needs to be in the contract.

For instance, here in Maine if I solicit a home for business, a written contract is required with a 3 day cooling of period. *During that period, the homeowner can cancel w/o any reason, only has to let you know they don't want the service. *Failure to abide by this law has some very serious expensive repercussions, not to mention a criminal conviction if found guilty.

This law does not apply to commercial accounts or if the customer comes to you. *I include the same language just the same.

Another good reason for a contract is the paper trail. *You can use the contracts when you go to the bank for loans. *Contracts show financial institutions how much you are really making with your enterprise. *Taking the time to analyze them at the end of the year will also show where you are undercharging and what trends you need to follow up on.
Another good reason for a contract is the paper trail. You can use the contracts when you go to the bank for loans. Contracts show financial institutions how much you are really making with your enterprise. Taking the time to analyze them at the end of the year will also show where you are undercharging and what trends you need to follow up on.

GREAT POINT. Here in Kentucky we have simular laws and requirments.

and yes I have had to go to the extreme with a Hardscape Project. BTW we won our case, and there is a lot of details. You may want to add something like an early cancellation fee, this is to protect YOU it dosn't have anything to do with HOW GOOD or NOT SO GOOD of a job you do. This is 2007 and it is just good business to have a solid contract for all your customers, no matter what the job is. Even one time cutomers must sign a Estimate, Work Order and a Work Completion/Satisfied Form. These are types of CONTRACTS. I'm not giving legal advise, only good business advise. If some of these things are not in writing customer may cancel for certain reasons like being laid off and not being able to afford your service, you can waive the cancellation fee and work something out on any balance due to you.
But, for ex. A customer calls you ask to do a spring clean up they are to busy to do it. So you go there do the spring clean up charge $200 and then they add Mulching anonther $500, then want you to cut weekly 5 @ say $50 per = $250. Now you told them in the begining you would do a monthly invoice for the services you provide. maybe you get a deposit before starting (it is a good idea to ask for one if you don't) now a month has past and you invoice the customer and they decide well I can't afford this I cant pay you and you are already into the second month of cutting for another $100 so the final bill is over $1,000.00 not to count the lost time where you could have been working for someone that will pay you. Hope this help's and give some light on the IMPORTANCE of something in writing that is a contract.

Good luck
Tim
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-06-2007, 01:09 PM
StartALawnCareBusiness's Avatar
StartALawnCareBusiness StartALawnCareBusiness is offline
Keith
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 731
Rep Power: 0
StartALawnCareBusiness is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] ]Work Completion/Satisfied Form.
Thanks for bringing it up.

Too often, we think payment implies satisfaction. *Customer satisfaction should never be overlooked. **On any larger job it is a great idea to have your customer sign off on the work. *This can be as simple as having him sign a "Completed" line on your purchase order. *Or, you can have him fill in a questionaire making sure he is satisfied.

For weekly mowing jobs, it is good to send a "Customer Satisfaction" survey to your customer mid-season...end of June is a good time. *This creates the same sort of paper trail Tim is talking about and it also lets you know if there are areas you need to pay more attention too.

You can use these surveys as marketing tools too. *If you are giving a quote to a big client, show him the positive responses you have as references.

Keith
__________________
Start a profitable lawn care business.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-06-2007, 07:50 PM
grounded
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Thanks Keith!

I Also bought your book and I must say that its hard to put it down.

It's nice to see an author contribute so much information on a forum without trying to sell something outright.

Looking forward to future editions?

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-07-2007, 12:35 AM
StartALawnCareBusiness's Avatar
StartALawnCareBusiness StartALawnCareBusiness is offline
Keith
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 731
Rep Power: 0
StartALawnCareBusiness is on a distinguished road
Default

Hi Tom:

Thank you for the kind words.

Did you see the video showing you how to use the estimating calculators and google earth together?

I am totally fascinated with that technology.

It's located here: Estimating Calculator Demo


I'm planning more tutorials but first I need a couple Gopher Team lessons to show me how to spice it up a bit.

Keith
__________________
Start a profitable lawn care business.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
I'm Back With The Best...
aduttonater
02-21-2015 01:41 AM
Yesterday 08:55 PM
by aduttonater
10 505
price for snow clearing?
Bradcook21
02-25-2015 09:11 PM
Yesterday 08:54 PM
by Bradcook21
5 172
rock salt
Bradcook21
02-24-2015 11:17 AM
Yesterday 08:37 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
22 467
stubbon people
Bradcook21
02-16-2015 04:25 PM
Yesterday 04:40 PM
by jrs.landscaping
37 1,214
My Newborn son
avetslawncare
Yesterday 01:07 PM
Yesterday 02:18 PM
by Steve
2 48
Facebook
element009
03-23-2011 09:36 AM
Yesterday 11:37 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
52 11,785
Blade sharpener
Just for Cuts
07-04-2014 01:31 PM
02-26-2015 03:43 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 1,723
viking cyclon.
uppercut
01-29-2015 09:12 PM
02-26-2015 02:54 PM
by Steve
5 506
Ugliest lawn contest
Steve
02-23-2015 04:17 PM
02-26-2015 02:51 PM
by Steve
2 272
Start LIKING FACEBOOK...
rlclawncare123
02-26-2015 01:06 AM
02-26-2015 02:41 PM
by Steve
1 108
Another website update
Chilehead
02-26-2015 11:24 AM
02-26-2015 12:46 PM
by Just for Cuts
3 104
tips on creating a...
BLAZIER-1991
01-08-2015 07:22 PM
02-26-2015 02:44 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
5 708
New Lawn Care Service...
rlclawncare123
02-26-2015 12:49 AM
02-26-2015 02:24 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
1 108
Finally!
SGL1
02-22-2015 09:46 PM
02-25-2015 10:15 PM
by SGL1
13 448
leaf removal.. mulching...
facework84
08-05-2011 03:26 PM
02-25-2015 08:07 PM
by Steve
5 2,789
How many customers?
SC93
02-25-2015 12:40 AM
02-25-2015 04:59 PM
by SC93
5 228
Irrigation...
charlieallen
02-24-2015 01:16 PM
02-25-2015 02:58 PM
by Steve
6 222
use a small business...
BLAZIER-1991
12-25-2014 12:21 AM
02-25-2015 12:46 AM
by SC93
33 2,805
honest opinion please
uppercut
02-17-2015 02:30 AM
02-24-2015 07:12 PM
by homey
10 648
2nd year advice anyone
Bradcook21
02-18-2015 07:00 PM
02-24-2015 05:15 PM
by Bradcook21
14 627
need help
lawnexpers115
02-23-2015 05:36 PM
02-24-2015 02:49 PM
by Steve
3 267
Hello People
nativikee
02-23-2015 07:17 PM
02-24-2015 02:43 PM
by Steve
4 273
New member
qua ke zik 001
02-23-2015 11:24 AM
02-23-2015 03:40 PM
by Steve
1 227
New Video
Sprinkler Buddy
02-22-2015 09:18 PM
02-23-2015 03:19 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 252
need help with SCAG...
apmAkron
02-23-2015 09:14 AM
02-23-2015 01:57 PM
by apmAkron
3 250
which degrees would be...
BLAZIER-1991
02-20-2015 04:46 PM
02-23-2015 01:47 PM
by Steve
9 416
Trouble logging in
avetslawncare
02-21-2015 02:06 PM
02-23-2015 01:44 PM
by Steve
1 484
John Deere Quik Track...
acrajchel
02-20-2015 03:12 PM
02-23-2015 01:40 PM
by Steve
1 285
Trimming and...
joshlawncare
02-15-2015 02:04 PM
02-22-2015 09:48 PM
by SGL1
5 617
where can i post this
zippy-phil
02-17-2015 07:58 PM
02-20-2015 02:02 PM
by Steve
7 499
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
01-11-2015 11:41 AM
02-19-2015 04:43 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
29 2,650
Thumbs up or down?
lawnman1959
02-18-2015 11:40 AM
02-19-2015 01:22 PM
by Chilehead
3 415
Am I growing too fast?
Mattcrump
08-04-2011 11:54 PM
02-19-2015 12:34 PM
by Steve
11 5,207
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 12:18 PM
02-19-2015 12:31 PM
by Steve
1,215 371,721
How to obtain more...
winkie61
02-17-2015 08:31 AM
02-19-2015 12:29 PM
by Steve
3 520
Mowing 2 acres
Bradcook21
01-05-2015 03:13 PM
02-19-2015 12:23 PM
by Steve
16 1,468
How to sell annual...
GroPro
02-17-2015 12:31 PM
02-18-2015 01:46 PM
by GroPro
5 507
FREE Custom Website...
breadcrumb
01-31-2015 10:58 PM
02-18-2015 01:32 PM
by Steve
5 1,108
Taking a step back
Billy Goat
02-16-2015 07:37 AM
02-18-2015 01:17 PM
by Chilehead
9 589
Employees
stevej
02-17-2015 05:25 PM
02-18-2015 12:47 PM
by Mr. Mow
1 404
Landscapers from hell!!
Chilehead
01-29-2015 03:55 PM
02-17-2015 07:48 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
9 1,014
Cannot access your Itune...
winkie61
02-17-2015 10:00 AM
02-17-2015 03:26 PM
by Steve
1 358
Advertising on internet...
Sprinkler Buddy
02-13-2015 01:22 PM
02-17-2015 01:00 PM
by Steve
9 672
new to this forum
NIP'N'TUK
02-14-2015 07:54 PM
02-16-2015 10:03 PM
by Steve
2 489
Advice on bidding 20...
sleepydunn
02-15-2015 07:38 PM
02-16-2015 09:59 PM
by Steve
4 604
New to me mower
xandrew245x
04-27-2014 08:02 PM
02-16-2015 09:48 PM
by Steve
8 1,396
mower blades
tlf59263
02-09-2015 12:36 PM
02-16-2015 05:16 PM
by Just for Cuts
8 822
Just Quit?
ringahding1
01-30-2015 06:23 AM
02-16-2015 02:16 PM
by joshlawncare
18 1,507
Advice on Bidding...
veteranlawnservice
02-08-2015 09:21 PM
02-16-2015 12:14 PM
by joshlawncare
18 1,218
Extending the life of...
rmccutchan
01-17-2015 12:37 AM
02-16-2015 09:51 AM
by rmccutchan
20 1,586
» Popular Tags
2wd 4x4 ad landscaping aerocore apartment bid apartment lawn care estimate applying auger billy goat brushcutter bush contract help deliquentaccounts demonstration design ditches door hangers employee problems estimate facebook foreman four wheel drive google gopherhaul gravely growing a lawn care business how to jobs john deere quik trac landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care busines plan lawn care business lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care seo lawn care website lawn care website seo lawn mowing managing a lawn care business marketing marketing secrets mulch new mower per hour service podcast pricing pto secrets to landscaping seo shell shreaded snow plowing sq ft starting a lawn care business steep lawns theft toro toro grand stand tractor auger trailer trailer mate pro up sell employee web design website design winterization wood wright stander rh
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:21 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:21 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy