Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation
A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!

Pesticide laws too stringent?


Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 10-11-2007, 10:54 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,504
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Have state pesticide laws become too stringent? Do you think these laws will be rolled back a bit?

State pesticide license rules faulted - Itís tough for a landscaper to get a license to spray garden-variety pesticides on your lawn in New Hampshire, and thatís why at least some landscapers want to make it easier.

New Hampshire requires combination of stringent education and experience requirements, as well as passing a test. Rich Kahn, the owner of Kahn Landscaping LLC in Wilton, says that he has been landscaping for at least six years and has a bachelorĎs degree in engineering and a masterís in education, but ďall that doesnít count. Iím still not allowed to buy the Turf Builder at Home Depot and use it to get rid of your crabgrass.Ē

Kahn experience doesnít count because he hasnít been working in New Hampshire for five years under someone who already holds a supervisory license and his degrees are not among those listed in the regulation, like entomology or plant pathology. Thus he couldnít even sit for the exam.

It didnít make sense, he said, for him to give up his business and work for someone else for five years, just so he could spray Roundup around his customerís bushes.

Kahn is not just a landscaper. He has run for governor and Congress as a Libertarian.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 10-11-2007, 03:07 PM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
I agree. I think the laws are a bit too tough... I mean, I can understand wanting to be careful and all, but come on... You have to spend more money on study materials, tests and exams, and licenses before you can spray some RoundUp? PUH-lease! .....but I guess if ya gotta, ya gotta... I wanna make all the cash I can, so I'm going to GOPHER IT!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-12-2007, 08:28 AM
S.P.Martin Lawn Care
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

It makes little sense to me that a contractor needs a license to spray a pesticide or put down fertilizer while a homeowner can do the same thing with the same materials w/o one.

If you are doing crop dusting or other similar mass applications, I can see having one. But for home owner size applications, its overkill.

Making it difficult to obtain the license drives the price of applications up due to lack of competition. Then you have the less scrupulous types move in causing more issues.

I would be willing to bet the licensing requirement in NH is the result of a regulation that is addressed time to time by the head of whatever agency has oversight, not an elected person that has to answer to the voters.

Whenever government make it easy to comply, you have high rates of compliance. Too many bureaucracies just don't get it.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-12-2007, 02:44 PM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Oh it's not just NH.... I'm in GA.... same laws...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-02-2007, 02:20 PM
tjgray tjgray is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas, Texas
Age: 45
Posts: 104
Rep Power: 10
tjgray
Default

I don't mind so much about how tough they are, I think they should be, but I wished that they were more consistant.

The way they are set up now is different in every state, which I think is crazy.

I also wish that if they are going to have rules and regulations that there was more enforcement...

There are so many out there applying chemicals illegally it makes it really tough for the ones who do comply.
__________________
Tara Gray
Green Paws Lawn Care
http://www.greenpawslawncare.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-02-2007, 04:38 PM
Looking Good Lawn service Looking Good Lawn service is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16
Rep Power: 7
Looking Good Lawn service
Default

What if you just put it on your customers lawns, and just do it, no one will know. Uncle Sam is not going to be on your customers private property, the only one who can squel on you is your customer, and they wont because now they wont have your service,lol... See, just service your customers, if anything happens the homeowner can vouch that they did it.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-03-2007, 12:39 AM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (Looking Good Lawn service @ Nov. 02 2007,11:38)]What if you just put it on your customers lawns, and just do it, no one will know. *Uncle Sam is not going to be on your customers private property, the only one who can squel on you is your customer, and they wont because now they wont have your service,lol... See, just service your customers, if anything happens the homeowner can vouch that they did it.
Oh man... wrong wrong wrong!

First, illegal is illegal. *If you get your customers involved in your illegalities, that's just poor business. *Plus, if you DID do that, and your customer got tired of you for some reason, who's to say they WOULDN'T turn you in?

On top of that, people who "just do it" without being properly licensed are most likely skating by and taking jobs from the people who actually played by the rules... and, well, that just makes me mad to even THINK about. *I'm not licensed to do chemical applications yet, so I don't offer it. *I WILL be licensed by spring, though... so I can get going then... in the meantime, I will just do what I can without the license... BY THE RULES!

Sorry... but SOMEONE had to say it.



Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Looking Good Lawn service Looking Good Lawn service is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16
Rep Power: 7
Looking Good Lawn service
Default

you are right, but the same people who make the rules, are the same ones who break them. At least in my area. every state is different, and has different regs and so is every town in those same states. I know people who work for the big lawn fertilizer "gods" who "play" by the rules and run over lawns with empty baskets, do jobs on the side of their company, steal clients, sell fuel to other landscapers and fertilizer too, truegre** ring a bell, scot** ring a bell. This is the concret jungle and like 50 cent said " I get money!!" period. thats it, dont go home and tell your kids there is no food on the table because of that reason. every one starts somewhere, and like team gopher says, gopher it. If you dont someone else will.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-15-2007, 10:28 PM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lucky for me I live in NH. Corn gluten meal, milky spore, nematodes are even considered products that fall under the pesticide license in NH because anything that repels, mitigates or kill a pest weed or otherwise needs a license. I called the NH dept of agriculture pesticide licensing board. I asked if i would need a license if i found a new hypothetical solution to killing ants mixing peanut butter, chocholate and mustard together? Her answer was anything that kills, mitigates, or repels! I told her they were nuts, she said thats the law.
Nh you have to have an applicator license under someones supervisor level license for 4 years to qualify to take the supervisory level in that catagory,turf, tree/ornamental, biting insects, right of way (round up apps) are other catagoreys, so if you only were a lawn applicator for 10 years you couldnt touch trees. Another way around the license requirement is to hire on a supervisory level (it doesnt say he has to be full time), you take the applicator license and have him on the books for the 4 years you might hand out a carrot ( 5 percent of equity or a cash bonus) in the company for staying for the full 4 years. My advise if you live in a state that you can get a license easily get it.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-15-2007, 10:48 PM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (Looking Good Lawn service @ Nov. 06 2007,5:39)]you are right, but the same people who make the rules, are the same ones who break them. *At least in my area. *every state is different, and has different regs and so is every town in those same states. *I know people who work for the big lawn fertilizer "gods" who "play" by the rules and run over lawns with empty baskets, do jobs on the side of their company, steal clients, sell fuel to other landscapers and fertilizer too, truegre** ring a bell, scot** ring a bell. *This is the concret jungle and like 50 cent said " I get money!!" period. thats it, dont go home and tell your kids there is no food on the table because of that reason. *every one starts somewhere, and like team gopher says, gopher it. *If you dont someone else will.
I've been really thinking about this post and what my true feelings are about it...

I agree 100% that you HAVE to make money... and LCOs are a dime a dozen! HOWEVER.... I would rather go home broke and honest than paid and a thief... It's no better than walking into that person's house, taking THEIR food, and bringing it home... I will NOT do it. My kids will eat... if I have to go without because I was an honest business man... then so be it.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Popular Means of Deal...
erbola
Today 09:53 AM
Today 09:53 AM
by erbola
0 2
Pressure Washing Like a...
TNTurf
08-01-2014 11:47 PM
Today 09:12 AM
by SGL1
8 692
Help a brother...
tbtigers03
09-28-2014 11:41 AM
Today 08:51 AM
by ringahding1
12 1,437
first year update
cmdlawncare
08-12-2014 05:41 PM
Today 07:47 AM
by ringahding1
4 1,263
Hello, from TEXAS
sanchez5
10-17-2014 09:56 PM
Yesterday 10:44 PM
by sanchez5
5 326
Dealing With Gas Can...
Mr. Mow
Yesterday 01:41 PM
Yesterday 08:23 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 112
Leaf Box & Loader Set...
ringahding1
Yesterday 06:20 AM
Yesterday 07:22 PM
by ringahding1
2 118
Organic Lawn Care...
NHray
10-17-2014 06:05 PM
Yesterday 05:47 PM
by NHray
2 300
Hi Steve From West...
Mr. Mow
Yesterday 01:59 PM
Yesterday 01:59 PM
by Mr. Mow
0 76
Cheapskate Landlord...
Mr. Mow
10-20-2014 06:33 AM
Yesterday 01:50 PM
by Mr. Mow
8 238
What parts do you carry...
Just for Cuts
10-17-2014 09:08 AM
Yesterday 01:36 PM
by Mr. Mow
16 595
Jungle to Beautiful
stevef1201
10-17-2014 09:54 AM
Yesterday 01:26 PM
by stevef1201
11 434
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
Yesterday 01:19 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
158 11,271
Sunny Beach Tennis...
SGL1
10-19-2014 11:24 PM
Yesterday 01:04 PM
by SGL1
4 204
Have you ever had to...
SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014 02:41 PM
10-20-2014 08:34 PM
by biglee
10 1,749
Look out Bob Villa -...
Mr Dave
09-30-2014 10:06 AM
10-20-2014 05:42 PM
by SGL1
7 1,258
how to fi d commercial...
mchampion319
10-19-2014 09:50 PM
10-20-2014 04:41 PM
by Steve
1 170
Hello From Tennessee
mrmann901
10-17-2014 10:02 PM
10-20-2014 04:24 PM
by Steve
1 245
questions on order to...
jack2048
10-13-2014 11:15 AM
10-20-2014 03:27 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 682
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
10-20-2014 02:14 PM
by Steve
14 2,123
Cement mixer
KevinsLawns
10-15-2014 08:03 PM
10-20-2014 02:11 PM
by Steve
7 423
Hello ! New guy Rob here
RWorthley1
10-17-2014 04:05 PM
10-20-2014 02:09 PM
by Steve
1 259
Pda
stevef1201
10-18-2014 02:05 PM
10-19-2014 11:27 PM
by SGL1
2 236
Snow Blowing
gwilson98
10-12-2014 02:21 PM
10-17-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
6 602
Spreading Weeds?
WesleySnips
07-27-2014 09:46 PM
10-17-2014 07:49 AM
by SGL1
6 907
Grasswhoopins.com Anyone...
GRASS WHOOPINS
06-21-2011 11:38 PM
10-16-2014 01:30 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
42 9,261
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 10:04 PM
10-15-2014 09:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
6 641
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
10-15-2014 06:43 PM
by NHray
1,190 340,006
Workmans compensation...
CDLAWNCARE
10-15-2014 08:05 AM
10-15-2014 02:57 PM
by Steve
2 388
Do you find weed eating...
chuck2s
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
by chuck2s
0 356
Incorporating &...
WesleySnips
10-01-2014 09:39 PM
10-15-2014 01:37 PM
by kslawn
20 1,448
Falling into business
stellarmowing
09-28-2014 04:35 PM
10-15-2014 05:57 AM
by ringahding1
8 1,469
Apartment Complex and...
lxarth
06-22-2011 01:10 PM
10-14-2014 06:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
42 9,552
I LOVE hedge trimming
stevef1201
10-13-2014 09:05 AM
10-14-2014 01:06 PM
by Steve
5 489
Help with seeder...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-09-2014 07:39 AM
10-13-2014 08:09 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
5 656
The Market watch
WesleySnips
10-12-2014 08:47 PM
10-13-2014 05:40 PM
by SGL1
3 491
Help pricing a large...
Bradcook21
10-07-2014 06:49 AM
10-13-2014 02:00 PM
by Steve
7 838
leaf removal
Double J LLC
10-03-2014 04:24 PM
10-13-2014 06:46 AM
by Billy Goat
19 1,469
Acerage Rake
acrajchel
04-23-2014 07:23 PM
10-12-2014 10:53 PM
by SGL1
2 803
John Deere z235 Deck
WesleySnips
09-29-2014 06:02 PM
10-12-2014 06:20 PM
by kslawn
25 1,614
Credit card contract
SGL1
10-06-2014 05:31 PM
10-12-2014 03:40 PM
by SGL1
18 1,026
Truck craft dump bed...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-04-2014 08:41 PM
10-10-2014 11:35 AM
by Steve
7 931
First Time River Rock...
berryjam
10-09-2014 06:09 PM
10-10-2014 11:08 AM
by Steve
2 579
West cost lawn prices
SGlawncare
10-09-2014 09:51 PM
10-10-2014 11:03 AM
by Steve
1 568
Question?what should I...
dalvan0
09-24-2014 11:10 PM
10-09-2014 05:58 PM
by kslawn
28 2,100
Mowing the hills
EyeCatchersNow
07-08-2014 12:22 PM
10-09-2014 04:19 PM
by Just for Cuts
25 2,975
snowplowing
jshak40
09-01-2014 07:20 AM
10-09-2014 02:21 PM
by Steve
25 3,614
Changing Scag Freedom Z...
maggiedavidson
10-06-2014 12:24 PM
10-08-2014 06:34 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
7 817
The most dangerous part...
Steve
10-06-2014 02:45 PM
10-07-2014 04:18 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
3 798
Good Mower
jack2048
10-04-2014 05:34 PM
10-07-2014 01:05 PM
by Steve
7 879
» Popular Tags
4wd apartment complex article marketing auger bark bid blades bob villa care charge collections collections subcontractor decorating ditches edging employee problems equipment rental estimate exmark ferris four wheel drive fundraiser gopherhaul gravely growing a lawn care business hardscapes how much to charge husqvarna installation introduction kawasaki landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website marketing mr dave mulch new mower past due podcast promotion pto redmax reo running a business scag search engine optimization seo small engine repair snow sprayer starting a business steep lawns steve stihl theft of services top dresser toro toro grand stand trailer trimmer rack turfgrass consulting walker wood
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:18 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy