Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Just starting your lawn care or landscaping business? > Community Assistance

Community Assistance Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.

your professional opinion requested


Community Assistance

Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:08 PM
FourSeasons FourSeasons is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Age: 32
Posts: 558
Rep Power: 8
FourSeasons
Default

I went to eat at a Denny's about a month ago. Before leaving I talked to the manager and asked about the landscape maintenance. He told me they had just signed on a lco to take care of it that takes care of all of the Dennys in the area. But said he would give my card to the Regional manager in charge of those descisions and gave me the number for the RM anyways. So I just put it in the file and left it at that.

Yesterday I get a phone call and guess who? Its the RM of Denny's in my area. He wants to know if I want to bid on the landscape maintenance for the Denny's in the region. But first asks if I am able to handle that big of an area. I told him no, I pretty much just stay in my county.
He made the area to be covered sound pretty big. So I declined. Figured it was out of my range for now.

I think that it was the right choice.

I was talking to my potential business partner today and told him what happened and he was there with me when we talked to the original Denny's manager.
He disagreed with me and told me this could be a huge oppurtunity and that I should have accepted the request. He said I should call the RM back to see if it would still be possible to put a bid in. Also, that there are alot of Dennys in the region and I could hit one area per day of the week doing the Denny's in that region. As far as one hour away possibly even farther drive time.

So here are my questions:
Did I make the right choice?

Should I have told him yes I can handle it and bid on them?

If I should have told him yes, then is calling back and requesting to bid on them the proper thing to do?

Say I got the "job" is it really that smart to spread myself that thin?

I had a couple other questions but I can't remember them now.

I asked the RM why they were not happy with the current provider. His answer was similar to this - "I don't really want to go into details but, if I'm paying x amount of dollars for service; then I expect x amount of dollars in service back. I don't feel that they are doing the job as they should." Which leads me to another post. Something that I notice alot.

I eat there a couple times a month and I have seen the current provider. It was 2 guys with an enclosed trailer with some small "homeowner" version honda mowers. Definitley not a big outfit.

Well after all of that what is some of your guys PROFESSIONAL opions.

Thanks
__________________
Rob
Green Image Lawn & Landscape

\"If you don't feel the same way about Friday nights as you do Sunday nights, then you are not doing the right thing.\"
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:58 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,519
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Rob,

This is a great question.

My answer is going to be based on my own personal business philosophy and that will differ from others.

If you are standing on one side of a crevice and on the other side is the Denny's RM and he is asking you if you want to jump over and you are not comfortable with jumping, say no. In my view it's better to grow at a comfortable and controllable rate than it is to have to be forced to scale up quickly.

Your potential for a longer business life is greatened, in my opinion, by growing at a rate you are comfortable with.

Are there others that have made the jump and survived? Yes, but I have seen plenty of business owners get in way too deep, too quickly and never, and I mean NEVER got out of the hole. It can get so bad, that you never have a chance to run a business again. Or have the desire too.

If you want to call the RM back and tell him the reason why he is having problems with his lawn care provider, it's because very few businesses will be able to perform to their standards on such a scale, but if they considered cutting up the area into smaller sections for smaller lawn care providers, then they might find more success.

This is an angle you could consider.

What's your take?

And what's your view on this new potential business partner idea?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-11-2008, 11:07 PM
FourSeasons FourSeasons is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Age: 32
Posts: 558
Rep Power: 8
FourSeasons
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] ]If you want to call the RM back and tell him the reason why he is having problems with his lawn care provider, it's because very few businesses will be able to perform to their standards on such a scale, but if they considered cutting up the area into smaller sections for smaller lawn care providers, then they might find more success.

This is an angle you could consider.

What's your take?

And what's your view on this new potential business partner idea?
Wow! very good point Steve.
He told me right off the start that he wants one company maintaining them. I can only think of 2 companies around here that would even be able to handle this task. That doesn't mean that they do not exist. But I think this is a very valid point.

I don't want to stretch myself out like that. I would be more than happy to do the 4 in my area which are all in 20 min of me. But thats about it.

I didn't really want to call him back but i was being pushed to. I like calling him back with this as a possible solution.
He was in a hurry to get off the phone and I hate talking to people like that. Because its hard to get them to listen to you. This is another reason why I didn't want to call back. Maybe he hasn't thought of this though.

Im curious to hear Tim's point of view also.

The business partner- I think I mentioned it in another post. We are still talking about it. It takes alot of agreeing to do. But can push the business further faster.
__________________
Rob
Green Image Lawn & Landscape

\"If you don't feel the same way about Friday nights as you do Sunday nights, then you are not doing the right thing.\"
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-12-2008, 01:45 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,519
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

I sent Tim and email, hopefully he can jump in here. Does anyone else here want to offer their view too?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-12-2008, 05:54 PM
realhuntin
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hey Rob,

My point of view on this is; Do it ONLY if you feel you can handle all the accounts with out suffering any of your current accounts and falling to the same situation the current provider has.
You need to ask this GM what does he expect, is this other guy not doing what he said he would do or is he cutting corners every week? Find out the whole story on this. This GM might just be one of those guys that no mattter what you do or how you do it might no satisfy him.
Yes this is a good opertunity but I have to agree with Steve on this;
"Are there others that have made the jump and survived? Yes, but I have seen plenty of business owners get in way too deep, too quickly and never, and I mean NEVER got out of the hole. It can get so bad, that you never have a chance to run a business again. Or have the desire too."

Finally go with your gut, it is normally the right choice. Your first thought was "No, Sorry I can't handle an account this big at this time" Go with the gut feeling.
I don't like deturing anyone from growing but to me it sounds as if you have already made your choice, and I respect that choice, it shows me you know what you can or can't do at this point in business and that is more important than anything. Don't second guess yourself. You will know when the right time is.

As far as your posible partner, I didn't know you where wanting to take on a partner. ONLY my opinion DON't. I know to many people that has tried this and it never has worked for any length of time, and it all comes down to money who takes what and who is taking more and who is doing more then it turns into a big mess. Just my opinion on partners.

Thanks for asking my point of view on this.
Good Luck
Tim
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-13-2008, 04:35 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,519
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Thanks Tim for your insight.

Rob, keep us posted as to what you decide to do and what the outcome was.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-14-2008, 01:12 PM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Rob-

Here's my take on things...

I would say do not bid this account. If the RM wants only ONE LCO providing service for the entire region, it may be a good thing not to have this account. Look at it like this... if you're driving 2+ hours round trip on any given day, then that's potentially 2+ hours that you're not making money. On the other hand, if the account pays well enough, and you don't mind the driving, then maybe you should take it... but again, as Tim said, you may be comprimising accounts closer to you.

As far as a business partner goes, it's not an easy thing... I mean, it's not impossible, but it seems you guys are already starting off on the wrong foot. Jason and I made an agreement before we even bought a business license... we'd either agree on things mutually, or we would ask our office manager (my wife) her opinion. If that swayed one or the other of us, then that's the decision we would go with... if it was something that we were still not agreeing upon mutually, then we would put it on a back burner until we could agree on it..... if it's a decision that has to be made immediately, then we'll weight the pros and cons... whichever of those wins helps us make the decision.

Just remember, YOU are your own boss.... if you take on a partner, then you have someone to answer to.... even though he's not "your boss", he is still a co-owner which means that you'll have to explain yourself to him from time to time... is that something you don't mind doing? Weigh the pros and cons of having a business partner. Why are you doing it in the first place? Is it necessary to keep your business running? Would the business go under if you didn't have him as a partner?

All these questions are answerable only by you... ask yourself these questions... answer them in your mind and in your heart... and do all this before you shake hands and/or sign any partnership agreement (which I HIGHLY recommend, no matter how well you know or think you know your potential partner).
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-14-2008, 11:33 PM
FourSeasons FourSeasons is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Age: 32
Posts: 558
Rep Power: 8
FourSeasons
Default

Thanks for the help guys. I agree with all of you but I am still debating Steve's idea.

Patrick- I don't need a partner I am doing fine by myself. I was actually going to ask you how you and your partner solve problems, but you answered my question before I asked it. That has to be a pretty difficult thing to disagree on certain issues.

The reason I was considering maybe partnering up is because I thought maybe with 2 people the business could be pushed forward faster. He also has valuable resources in the community. I listed them in another post I don't remember which one.

I don't need a partner. And its not to share the work load. I hire someone for that. I thought maybe the business would grow faster with 2 people running it.
But it always comes back down to money. The root of alot of problems.

Thanks for the insight.
__________________
Rob
Green Image Lawn & Landscape

\"If you don't feel the same way about Friday nights as you do Sunday nights, then you are not doing the right thing.\"
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-15-2008, 12:55 PM
pmblair
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

No problem Rob...

It's not as hard to come to an agreement on things as it may sound as long as you and your business partner are like-minded. Jason and I are pretty much a perfect match.

I don't really think you need a partner to push the business forward. I would say that maybe you should hire on another full time person (if you can afford it), train them to do things YOUR way, and then push the business yourself. That way you know the business is going in the direction you want it to go... plus, it's more cost-efficient to pay someone $X per hour than to split the profit with a partner.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-15-2008, 01:51 PM
FourSeasons FourSeasons is offline
Members
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Age: 32
Posts: 558
Rep Power: 8
FourSeasons
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] ]It's not as hard to come to an agreement on things as it may sound as long as you and your business partner are like-minded. Jason and I are pretty much a perfect match.

I don't really think you need a partner to push the business forward. I would say that maybe you should hire on another full time person (if you can afford it), train them to do things YOUR way, and then push the business yourself. That way you know the business is going in the direction you want it to go... plus, it's more cost-efficient to pay someone $X per hour than to split the profit with a partner.
Patrick-
I agree with you.
The partner thing got put on the back burner for now.
I wish I was busy enough to hire someone full time year round. I'll be there in a year or two though.
__________________
Rob
Green Image Lawn & Landscape

\"If you don't feel the same way about Friday nights as you do Sunday nights, then you are not doing the right thing.\"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Lawn Care business...
crieg122
10-23-2014 01:23 PM
Today 08:06 PM
by Matther777
7 281
Leaf removal
madmedic8575
Yesterday 04:14 PM
Today 08:02 PM
by Matther777
4 163
Business Cards
crieg122
Today 12:03 PM
Today 07:55 PM
by Matther777
2 73
raking leaves ?
robert8509
10-22-2014 09:19 PM
Today 12:09 PM
by biglee
10 351
Leaf Box & Loader Set...
ringahding1
10-21-2014 06:20 AM
Today 11:46 AM
by crieg122
6 353
Gie-review / What's new...
ExtremeLawncareServices
Today 09:19 AM
Today 09:19 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
0 61
Dealing With Gas Can...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:41 PM
Today 08:37 AM
by Dan Tanner
10 406
My Newest Toy (B.P....
Dan Tanner
10-23-2014 05:50 PM
Today 05:06 AM
by Dan Tanner
2 189
hey everyone
robert8509
10-22-2014 08:16 PM
Yesterday 11:07 PM
by robert8509
7 273
new to the forum
madmedic8575
Yesterday 02:52 PM
Yesterday 02:52 PM
by madmedic8575
0 98
Pressure Washing Like a...
TNTurf
08-01-2014 11:47 PM
Yesterday 01:00 PM
by Steve
11 948
12 Years in Business!
Chilehead
10-23-2014 08:07 AM
10-23-2014 11:08 PM
by Chilehead
2 192
Cheapskate Landlord...
Mr. Mow
10-20-2014 06:33 AM
10-23-2014 05:55 PM
by biglee
13 505
Hi from SoCal
Jmoney
10-23-2014 11:29 AM
10-23-2014 12:51 PM
by Steve
1 160
Workmans compensation...
CDLAWNCARE
10-15-2014 08:05 AM
10-23-2014 12:33 PM
by Steve
5 617
Pda
stevef1201
10-18-2014 02:05 PM
10-23-2014 06:12 AM
by ringahding1
4 441
Hello, from TEXAS
sanchez5
10-17-2014 09:56 PM
10-22-2014 01:27 PM
by Steve
6 513
Organic Lawn Care...
NHray
10-17-2014 06:05 PM
10-22-2014 01:23 PM
by Steve
3 486
Hi Steve From West...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:59 PM
10-22-2014 01:19 PM
by Steve
1 258
Help a brother...
tbtigers03
09-28-2014 11:41 AM
10-22-2014 08:51 AM
by ringahding1
12 1,627
first year update
cmdlawncare
08-12-2014 05:41 PM
10-22-2014 07:47 AM
by ringahding1
4 1,459
What parts do you carry...
Just for Cuts
10-17-2014 09:08 AM
10-21-2014 01:36 PM
by Mr. Mow
16 763
Jungle to Beautiful
stevef1201
10-17-2014 09:54 AM
10-21-2014 01:26 PM
by stevef1201
11 616
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
10-21-2014 01:19 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
158 11,568
Sunny Beach Tennis...
SGL1
10-19-2014 11:24 PM
10-21-2014 01:04 PM
by SGL1
4 362
Have you ever had to...
SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014 02:41 PM
10-20-2014 08:34 PM
by biglee
10 1,935
Look out Bob Villa -...
Mr Dave
09-30-2014 10:06 AM
10-20-2014 05:42 PM
by SGL1
7 1,421
how to fi d commercial...
mchampion319
10-19-2014 09:50 PM
10-20-2014 04:41 PM
by Steve
1 327
Hello From Tennessee
mrmann901
10-17-2014 10:02 PM
10-20-2014 04:24 PM
by Steve
1 392
questions on order to...
jack2048
10-13-2014 11:15 AM
10-20-2014 03:27 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 852
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
10-20-2014 02:14 PM
by Steve
14 2,323
Cement mixer
KevinsLawns
10-15-2014 08:03 PM
10-20-2014 02:11 PM
by Steve
7 590
Hello ! New guy Rob here
RWorthley1
10-17-2014 04:05 PM
10-20-2014 02:09 PM
by Steve
1 432
Snow Blowing
gwilson98
10-12-2014 02:21 PM
10-17-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
6 770
Spreading Weeds?
WesleySnips
07-27-2014 09:46 PM
10-17-2014 07:49 AM
by SGL1
6 1,076
Grasswhoopins.com Anyone...
GRASS WHOOPINS
06-21-2011 11:38 PM
10-16-2014 01:30 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
42 9,458
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 10:04 PM
10-15-2014 09:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
6 790
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
10-15-2014 06:43 PM
by NHray
1,190 340,494
Do you find weed eating...
chuck2s
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
by chuck2s
0 515
Incorporating &...
WesleySnips
10-01-2014 09:39 PM
10-15-2014 01:37 PM
by kslawn
20 1,619
Falling into business
stellarmowing
09-28-2014 04:35 PM
10-15-2014 05:57 AM
by ringahding1
8 1,619
Apartment Complex and...
lxarth
06-22-2011 01:10 PM
10-14-2014 06:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
42 9,730
I LOVE hedge trimming
stevef1201
10-13-2014 09:05 AM
10-14-2014 01:06 PM
by Steve
5 645
Help with seeder...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-09-2014 07:39 AM
10-13-2014 08:09 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
5 806
The Market watch
WesleySnips
10-12-2014 08:47 PM
10-13-2014 05:40 PM
by SGL1
3 652
Help pricing a large...
Bradcook21
10-07-2014 06:49 AM
10-13-2014 02:00 PM
by Steve
7 1,002
leaf removal
Double J LLC
10-03-2014 04:24 PM
10-13-2014 06:46 AM
by Billy Goat
19 1,656
Acerage Rake
acrajchel
04-23-2014 07:23 PM
10-12-2014 10:53 PM
by SGL1
2 968
John Deere z235 Deck
WesleySnips
09-29-2014 06:02 PM
10-12-2014 06:20 PM
by kslawn
25 1,786
Credit card contract
SGL1
10-06-2014 05:31 PM
10-12-2014 03:40 PM
by SGL1
18 1,192
» Popular Tags
4x4 apartment complex article marketing auger bark bid billy goat brushcutter blades care charge collections collections subcontractor decorating ditches edging employee problems equipment rental estimate exmark ferris four wheel drive fundraiser gopherhaul gravely growing a lawn care business how much to charge husqvarna installation introduction john deere quik trac kawasaki landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website marketing mr dave mulch new mower past due podcast promotion pto redmax reo running a business scag search engine optimization seo shreaded small engine repair snow sprayer starting a business steve stihl theft of services top dresser toro toro grand stand trailer trimmer rack turfgrass consulting walker wood
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:47 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:47 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy