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Old 04-14-2013, 08:35 PM
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plumbers and electricians have to be licensed and insured as well as their license can be revoked if they are not insured.
they also have to work as a apprentice for a few years and have to have sponsors that are licensed in order to take the exam.

i could be a garbage man with a few thousand dollars in the bank and one day decide that i want to be a landscaper and go out and buy a machine and trailer and such and bam, i am a landscaper.

i mean no disrespect to anyone but 3/4 of the people on this site have no clue as to what they are doing and have no prior experience and never worked for a landscape company and viola, they are landscapers.

we have printers, insurance salesman, teenagers and kids in grammar school that either lost their job and decided to start a business or just have visions of grandeur that they are gonna make the big time cutting lawns by passing out flyers with no insurance and don't even put their quotes in writing who think that they don't need to do so.

and you wonder why customers treat us the way they do.
Dpld, It is posts like this that make me respect you the most on this site. I am young (20) but landscaping is not a game to me it is my career. I am glad there are people like you on this site for us to learn from.
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You are not going to get rich MOWING almost anyone can do it and tools are very cheap. Things that make the best money take special skills or tools like.
stump grinding
tilling
aerating
dethatching
power washing
anything that needs a large truck
Very true! I see guys everyday that went to walmart bought a cheap lawn tractor, and weedeater. Then go out an "mow lawns".
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Dpld, It is posts like this that make me respect you the most on this site. I am young (20) but landscaping is not a game to me it is my career. I am glad there are people like you on this site for us to learn from.

i appreciate the kind words and it means a lot to me to hear that.
there are so many things to know and do that it can be overwhelming for a young guy starting out and i had the fortune of working under some great people when i started out and i try to do my best to return the favor.

i will say however that i am not the know all be all and some things that work for me may not be the best way for others and all i ever try to do is be helpful to anyone who cares to listen.
there are also many ways to be successful and there is no one basic plan that has a one size fits all approach for everyone.
whether it is me or anyone else the person on the other end has to take the advice with a grain of salt because there are so many factors from state to state that some things may not apply to them.

you seem as if you are off to a great start and you got your act together. i wish you and everyone here all the best and continued success and don't ever be discouraged by anyone and don't think that you have to be a big company to be successful because there is no significance in that and the most important factor for you and anyone is that you are making a good living and providing for yourself and your families.

thanks again for the kind words, Dan.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:59 AM
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You are not going to get rich MOWING almost anyone can do it and tools are very cheap. Things that make the best money take special skills or tools like.
stump grinding
tilling
aerating
dethatching
power washing
anything that needs a large truck
This is very true. The largest landscaping companies are doing hardscapes, masonry, asphalt, tree work, etc. All these are skills that need experience and equipment.

So far this year my big earner is gutter cleanings. Theres really no skill in this but most people dont price it right. 99% of homeowners will not get on a ladder to do it themselves. The hacks will do it for $50-$100.

I am one of the most expensive gutter cleaning and pressure washing companies in my area. I land about 80% of my work even when I'm twice as high as the next guy. I have a reputation and A+ grade on Angieslist that speaks for itself.

With mowing your dealing with homeowners that will mow their own lawn or hire the cheapest guy. Its lawn mowing not rocket science. There is money in lawn treatment if you can get enough clients.

I really have never had to target residential mowing. I will this year just because I have some openings but Ill never be that guy that says hes going to get 50 lawns. Its like plowing driveways a waste of time.
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but you were only here for just over an hour thats just ridiculous he said. He still paid me (cusin and a grutin) the whole timei guess he thought id be there for several hours..this is my first encounter. Im sure it wont be the last.Any body knows what i should do to avoid this next time??
It seems it all comes down to a value the customer puts together in their head. This customer might have based it on the time you spent versus how much he gets paid an hour himself.

Now it may be difficult to avoid this from happening, but it might be prudent to smooth over when it does happen if you want this to be a return customer.

How might you do this? You could explain to the customer how it costs quite a bit to keep your operation going. You could point to a mower and say that mower alone costs me $X dollars and needs to be replaced every X years.

If you can show the customer that you are able to get the job done because of the infrastructure you have created and are paying to keep together, they may better understand that they can't compare your hourly wage to how much they make an hour because you have A LOT of bills that need to be covered from your fee.

In the end, you want the customer to feel they got a good deal and the price is a lot cheaper than if they had to buy the equipment and spend the time to learn how to perform the work. If they feel they got a good deal, they will call back and they will also refer you to others.

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my first encounter. Im sure it wont be the last.Any body knows what i should do to avoid this next time??
Some customers will challage you when they do the math. The less you try to explain your pricing method the better. I try to remember unrelated examples to try to mirror back to the customer. Use examples like "Do you change the oil in your car? Most will say "No" Then ask them "Why" and stand back and listen to them try to explain why. Then you can challage them on all the things they forgot what it takes to change the oil from the very beginning (going to the store) to the very end (disposal).
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and you wonder why customers treat us the way they do.
I've burn lurking on here for a while, even before I joined this forum. I think its a great thing everyone is here to help eachother. But over the last few weeks, it's really got me frustrated that people join and the first post is "How do I bid this job?"

I think we should all AS A TEAM let these new people know that they should do research on past threads, then ask us questions if they can't find anything. That will at least show that they are a little dedicated to learning. Most of us are a bit too quick to help people (me included). And these new people mow a few yards, realize the work is hard, and fall off the face of the earth. That gives us a bad name.
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[quote=LawnBoy0311;125762] they should do research on past threads, then ask us questions if they can't find anything. QUOTE]

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I have to admit that I've asked some questions on here and I've learned alot, and there have been a few times that I have blown up on a few issues, but I quickly realized that everyone was trying to help me understand. I read posts on here every day and learn stuff everyday. I'm not going to be someone who is going to get my business started and think that over night I'm going to be making $50K per year. There are still a few things I'm trying to get my understanding of, but I've been getting there with what others have posted and said in response, and also been researching things on the internet. I just wanted to say though that I am very thankful for this website, because I've learned quite a bit from all of you who have already started your lawn service and been successful with it for years. I look forward everyday to someone posting about a job that they got and learning things that come from these posts. I may have looked stupid with some of my posts, but at least I got valuable information from the ones who took the time to reply with help and suggestions and advice. I am depending on everyone on this website for many suggestions and advice that will come eventually when my lawn service is opened, but at least for now I'm still learning and preparing.
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I've burn lurking on here for a while, even before I joined this forum. I think its a great thing everyone is here to help eachother. But over the last few weeks, it's really got me frustrated that people join and the first post is "How do I bid this job?"

I think we should all AS A TEAM let these new people know that they should do research on past threads, then ask us questions if they can't find anything. That will at least show that they are a little dedicated to learning. Most of us are a bit too quick to help people (me included). And these new people mow a few yards, realize the work is hard, and fall off the face of the earth. That gives us a bad name.
thats kinda a standard thing for a forum. Pretty much every forum I ever joined said search before asking but people are lazy. For general questions youll find threads with dozens of post instead of waiting for 2-3 people to post.

The questions that irk me though are about licensing or if something is legal in x county/state.

Google is a newbies best friend.

For more specific stuff though you need a new thread.
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