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I use Webs.com. You just have to buy a domain and the template. The template runs like $30ish a year plus the cost of the domain so it totals for me about $70 a year. Check it out here: http://www.bellecitylawncare.com/ . I have done alot of work to it and compaired to most of the companies in my area there are only maybe 1 or 2 websites that are better than mine and they are huge companies.

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I actually really like your site! I didn't know webs.com had all those features! Looks like I'll be fixing mine this weekend...you did a great job!
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I think a website is valuable if you can keep it updated. I would look for a wordpress theme that you can get for free and find a lower priced hosting service. Personally I pay something like $5 a month with free website name for hosting. And I am sure I have a much larger site then your looking at.
The guys on here selling sites are selling wordpress sites. I could do it but i feel like its a scam. I bet most dont even have a private server or VPS either. Just some cheap reseller hosting.

I had a friend that paid to get a "custom website" he bragged about how great it was. Every time he wanted to change something, add a picture, he would have to pay the guy to do it. Great website buddy!
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The guys on here selling sites are selling wordpress sites. I could do it but i feel like its a scam. I bet most dont even have a private server or VPS either. Just some cheap reseller hosting.

I had a friend that paid to get a "custom website" he bragged about how great it was. Every time he wanted to change something, add a picture, he would have to pay the guy to do it. Great website buddy!
So you think it is a scam? Most people only install a theme and tweak it. I on the other hand provide some premium themes, tweak them and I actually write the content. It is all the back end stuff that I do on sites that make them pay for themselves.

Actually, I have been told several times that the site has paid for itself in 30-60 days. More often than not within the first 30 days. The reason that I do use wordpress is so that the customer can make their own changes without having to pay me to do it.

Now if you want to charge $1200 for a site that is 5-10 pages then I would agree with you.

Nope, I do not have a VPS or a private server. Why would I want all my customers on one server? Not going to do that to ME! But to answer your question, most resellers do have a private server or vps as that is how the reseller accounts are set up.
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I think a website alone is worthless, unless people can find it to call you.

It's like having a lawn mower, but no gas to put in it and no lawns to mow.
What's the point?

However, if you have a site and the site generates traffic and leads, it's worth A LOT.

Just be careful, some of these "SEO" companies just want to take your money.


Here's something you can do without a website to promote your business online FOR FREE and will generate leads.

You've seen it before, but I can promise you haven't seen it used this way:

1. Create an Ad on Craigslist.
2. Title it "YOUR CITY Lawn Service"
3. Ad can be whatever you want.
4. At the bottom of your ad, insert the following keywords preceded by your city name: YOUR CITY Lawn Service, YOUR CITY Lawn Care, YOUR CITY Commercial Lawn Service, YOUR CITY Commercial Lawn Care
5. Verify/post the ad.

Here's the important part:

6. Copy the CRAIGSLIST link that displays your ad
7. Go to http://pingfarm.com
8. Paste in your craigslist link
9. Click "Mass Ping"

Rinse & Repeat only changing the title.

So you'll create a separate ad with each of the keywords in the title, and repeat 6-9:

YOUR CITY Lawn Service
YOUR CITY Lawn Care
YOUR CITY Commercial Lawn Service
YOUR CITY Commercial Lawn Care

Each ad will be optimized for the keyword, and will most likely show up in google results.


You don't need a website, you just need people to be able to find your info online.

I used this exact process, and my ad shows on page 1 in google, you can see here:

go to google.com
search natchez lawn service

You'll see a craigslist url on the first page with the title:

Natchez Lawn Service ⎷⎛by The Lawn Boy
It's ranked somewhere between 5-7 on page 1 of google, people are finding it and calling.

So, you see, you don't necessarily need a website.

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That all depends on the type of client that you are trying to attract. Commercial clients are less likely to go with a craigslist ad.
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I've been feeling a bit incompetent that I don't have a website. I don't want to pay a lot of money for someone to build one, and I have no idea how to maintain them. Besides that, I'm not really sure how much business flow I will gain from a website.

How do you feel having a website has benefited you? Have you ever gotten a call from a customer saying "I was google-ing lawn mowing and your website came up"?
Or do you simply have it because that's what businesses are supposed to have in this day and age? Maybe because it makes you look more professional?

I got a call from this woman yesterday trying to sell me a website. She wasn't a telemarketer or anything. Apparently, she was hired to build a website for another landscaping company, but they backed out, so she's left with a built webpage. She asked me if I wanted to buy it? Of course, she would change the info to be true for me, but she's asking $500.
I would assume that she was already paid for her work. Website designers probably want the money upfront.

At what price would you think this would be worth it?
If she's just going to hand the template over to you, I would pay maybe $100 bucks tops. Chances are she's attempting to mass market this template to landscapers nationwide.
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That all depends on the type of client that you are trying to attract. Commercial clients are less likely to go with a craigslist ad.
I'm not sure I agree with you there. I've had 5 commercial clients call me the past 7 days from that craigslist ad, and I literally just received an email from another one 30 minutes ago.

The point is, you don't need a website to be found online. You just need to be able to be found. Plus, everyone has to start somewhere.


Also, Cleaning Dr, you have a good option for themes and is basically what this girl is trying to sell our friend for $500 bucks as a 1 off:

http://www.gopherforum.com/showpost....01&postcount=1

If I were not experienced in web marketing, I would take you up on this offer - although, I'd want ownership of the theme.

In fact, if you have a "lawn care" portfolio of themes you could show me, I might would by one off you right now today.

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I use developer versions of different themes. I change them to suit my needs and the needs of the customer. I don't have a set of themes myself but that is in the works.

Most of the time it is seeing or picturing what something could look like from the demo sites. Most people can not see what that would be and I have been known to change the theme just because the logo does not look right.

For instance, this is the demo of a theme that I used recently

http://www.elegantthemes.com/demo/?theme=DeepFocus

And this is the outcome

http://carlislepressurewashing.com/

Or this one

http://www.elegantthemes.com/demo/?theme=Minimal
http://www.pressurewashingcleveland.net/

It is not always about the theme being designed for the niche/business but the ability to change it to look better. Heck even just changing the background can make a tremendous difference.

There is also a new theme that I have found that is going to allow me an unlimited amount of customization. And the theme is responsive which is great for mobile users.

Many times what you do on the back end helps you tremendously on the front end of things. I have several sites that I have done in some of what I consider mid to high range competiton areas and the sites are on page 1. Saves them money all the way around. There is one customer where we have done absolutely nothing to the site in 4 years and he is still #1 in Louisville KY.
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I use developer versions of different themes. I change them to suit my needs and the needs of the customer. I don't have a set of themes myself but that is in the works.

Most of the time it is seeing or picturing what something could look like from the demo sites. Most people can not see what that would be and I have been known to change the theme just because the logo does not look right.

For instance, this is the demo of a theme that I used recently

http://www.elegantthemes.com/demo/?theme=DeepFocus

And this is the outcome

http://carlislepressurewashing.com/

Or this one

http://www.elegantthemes.com/demo/?theme=Minimal
http://www.pressurewashingcleveland.net/

It is not always about the theme being designed for the niche/business but the ability to change it to look better. Heck even just changing the background can make a tremendous difference.
Nice. What about that Lawn Mowing theme in your original post. Do you have that available.

Wouldn't you be able to take the theme develop a demo toward lawn mowing, and sell the newly designed theme en mass allowing us to edit, etc?
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Nice. What about that Lawn Mowing theme in your original post. Do you have that available.

Wouldn't you be able to take the theme develop a demo toward lawn mowing, and sell the newly designed theme en mass allowing us to edit, etc?
That is what I have in the works. These will be basic themes to start with. I want to get say 30 themes and then open that portion up for those that just want themes. I will slowly increase the number of themes and hopefully have over 100 of them before I am done. That is why I was guaging the interest before I just go out and build a bunch of them.

It all just takes time... LOL

One advantage I can think of over Craigslist is that you don't have to keep posting the ads. It is not a lot of work but it is one more thing that you need to do.

Most of my sites are in the $600 range because of all I do if it is paid in full. I even help you to learn how to post new blog articles with photos. If you need photos when I design the site then I buy stock photos. This is all included in the price. I even take a chance and help new owners with sites. You know those that are on a budget. I ask for $149 down and $29 a month for 24 months. This includes the domain, email and hosting. After that it is just the hosting and domain that comes to less than $50 a year.

I am not here to make a killing, just a living.

On the themes, I am thinking that a subscription of $29 a year that includes any updates would be a minimal price for some good looking themes.
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