Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review!

Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review! Lawn Care Marketing, Advertising, and Public Relations Discussion.

website steals photos, claims they mowed yards in ads


Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review!

Lawn Care Marketing, Advertising, and Public Relations Discussion.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 03-06-2013, 12:05 PM
mowproforever mowproforever is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 2
mowproforever is on a distinguished road
Default website steals photos, claims they mowed yards in ads

Customer sent craigslist ad after noticing one of our photos on this ad and asked if we worked for them.

craigslist ad: http://houston.craigslist.org/fgs/3649512985.html

image if ad disappears


if the image doesn't appear, it's a ad from orderlawncareonline.com, with the words "actual photos submitted by our mowers" followed by several photos with the words orderlawncareonline.com imprinted across the photos

Problem is the photos are NOT submitted by their mowers, or at least the photos I found weren't.

first photo was taken from http://keepingit-green.com
they service st petersberg, florida, not even a area available on that orderlawncareonline.com
see photo below of their website with the photo shown from the ad


fourth photo was taken from http://ronslawncare.com
here's the photo of website with pic from the craigslist ad

they service cities in Indiana. orderlawncareonline does not offer services in indiana, so it's not possible for them to have mowed and given the photos to that web site.

third photo was stolen from flicker where the photographer says he took the photo in 2003
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38952658@N00/3661381149/


I don't know the source of the other three photos, if i find them i'll post them, and I'm not saying which photo is ours because I don't want that website coming after us on yelp or something.

I know websites use example photos all the time, but this ad actually says they mowed these lawns and take all the credit. That's not an example, that's flat out stealing.

Is there anything that can be done? Guess my biggest fear is more people will notice our photo on their ad and think we work for them when we don't.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg lawnad-1.jpg (93.0 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg lawnad-2.jpg (86.2 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg lawnad-3.jpg (39.5 KB, 0 views)
File Type: jpg lawnad-4.jpg (27.4 KB, 1 views)
__________________
Jennifer
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 03-06-2013, 01:32 PM
SECTLANDSCAPING SECTLANDSCAPING is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: CT
Posts: 1,912
Rep Power: 0
SECTLANDSCAPING is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
not sure what you can do. I would look into watermarking your photos for the future.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-06-2013, 01:57 PM
Mayor of Mow Town's Avatar
Mayor of Mow Town Mayor of Mow Town is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 2
Mayor of Mow Town is on a distinguished road
Default

I'm confused.

You posted the same thing on another forum site a few days ago and you got a number of suggestions.

Did you act on any of those suggestions?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-06-2013, 11:10 PM
mowproforever mowproforever is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 2
mowproforever is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayor of Mow Town View Post
I'm confused.

You posted the same thing on another forum site a few days ago and you got a number of suggestions.

Did you act on any of those suggestions?
i can't find that thread anymore, i think it was removed. What were the suggestions?
__________________
Jennifer
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-06-2013, 11:36 PM
Mayor of Mow Town's Avatar
Mayor of Mow Town Mayor of Mow Town is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Australia
Posts: 56
Rep Power: 2
Mayor of Mow Town is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mowproforever View Post
What were the suggestions?
Now I'm even more confused...

The thread was up for a couple of days, and you responded and commented on it numerous times (I was subscribed to the thread, so I received the notifications).

In any case, from memory (I didn't see it all before the moderators removed it):
- one guy was saying he had a similar situation and was happy to talk to you privately about what he did
- another guy talked about sending a cease and desist letter


My view is to keep it simple. You want them to stop, right? So why not just contact them and politely ask them to remove the image (and then follow up to make sure they do)?

Remember that their business model is for the contractors/LCOs to send them photos of the completed work. It could be the contractors sending in dodgy photos and the main business just has some problematic gaps in their process for verifying that the photos match the address of the job.

If you want to take it further, I'm sure the U.S. has some kind of fair trading or competition and consumer protection body that deals with misleading and deceptive conduct.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-07-2013, 07:08 AM
dpld dpld is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: nj
Posts: 885
Rep Power: 0
dpld is on a distinguished road
Default

unless you have the images copyrighted there is nothing you can do.

if those images were posted online and were not copyrighted then they belong to all.
and if you ever had a printer incorporate those images on a flyer or anything else mass produced and they were not copyrighted he can also use them for future clients.

unfortunately in this day and age everything is fair game and anyone can pretty much drive around and take pictures or steal pictures online and do as they wish.

years ago i had a nephew who was in art school make me a nice logo and when i had vinyl decal lettering made at fast signs for one of my new trucks i was unaware that unless the artwork is copyrighted that i submitted to fast signs it becomes their property as well.
they just threw the artwork in with their samples and templates and next thing i know a few months later there were several other companies with the same exact logo.
i called them all up and asked them where they got the logo made and they all said Fast Signs in east hanover.
i called them up and explained to them that when i hired them to print my decals that i did so under the assumption that they would not be duplicated unless of course i was having more made.

they were nice enough to stop producing that logo but it did nothing for the fact that there were several companies already out there using it.

i then called all the companies back and explained to them that fast signs stole my logo and they had no business or right to produce it for them.
a couple guys were upset that fast signs gave them a generic logo and were under the impression that the logo was unique to them and they had new ones made and a couple told me to eat crap and die.
i talked to my lawyer and he said there was not much we could do and even if we try and succeed it will cost a good penny and is not worth it.

so i removed the logo and now only use my name wrapped in a american flag.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-07-2013, 12:02 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 35,752
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Customer sent craigslist ad after noticing one of our photos on this ad and asked if we worked for them.
What's amazing to me is, think about how difficult it is to get anyone to respond to your ads. Then, in this case, a customer goes out of their way to look at ads of other lawn care companies and then contacts their lawn care company to point out an ad and ask if they work for them! WOW!
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-07-2013, 01:11 PM
Von Bobbeh's Avatar
Von Bobbeh Von Bobbeh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 166
Rep Power: 3
Von Bobbeh is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dpld View Post
unless you have the images copyrighted there is nothing you can do.
All media created originally by a person is actually inherently copyrighted to that person unless it is disclosed otherwise. Always ask for permission to use material even if there isn't a little on it.

Now can you sue? Probably not. so in all practicality dpld is right, like always, nuttin' you can really do.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-08-2013, 12:04 PM
mowproforever mowproforever is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 2
mowproforever is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayor of Mow Town View Post
Now I'm even more confused...

The thread was up for a couple of days, and you responded and commented on it numerous times (I was subscribed to the thread, so I received the notifications).

In any case, from memory (I didn't see it all before the moderators removed it):
- one guy was saying he had a similar situation and was happy to talk to you privately about what he did
- another guy talked about sending a cease and desist letter


My view is to keep it simple. You want them to stop, right? So why not just contact them and politely ask them to remove the image (and then follow up to make sure they do)?

Remember that their business model is for the contractors/LCOs to send them photos of the completed work. It could be the contractors sending in dodgy photos and the main business just has some problematic gaps in their process for verifying that the photos match the address of the job.

If you want to take it further, I'm sure the U.S. has some kind of fair trading or competition and consumer protection body that deals with misleading and deceptive conduct.
so you think the contractors they're using are submitting all these fake photos, and the website doesn't know? Hmmm.... that could be, never thought of that....

i was looking at their other ads and found this ad that looks just like orderlawncareonline

http://houston.craigslist.org/fgs/3579330225.html


looking at that ad and orderlawncareonline ad it does look like something was cut off of orderlawncareonline ad, like someone covered up the top of it with pictures of clouds, you can see a little bit of that hand sticking out the bottom of the top.

i think orderlawncareonline stole that ad, or whoever does their advertising stole that ad.
__________________
Jennifer
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-08-2013, 04:43 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 35,752
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

I bet they are the same company with different domain names. Did you contact them?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Think I'm being pushed out (Mowed Over) devuono311 General Talk 8 04-03-2011 11:22 AM
photos yarddawg Show Off - Picture Post - Photo Gallery 8 02-04-2008 04:12 AM
blades of grass behind once mowed landonkade Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation 13 09-03-2007 11:29 AM
Most lawns mowed for $21.00? Steve Truck & Trailer Sign Design, silk screened apparel & uniform discussion 4 03-09-2007 07:52 AM
Employee steals $200,000 from lco Steve Lawn Care Employees Discussions 3 02-18-2007 12:04 AM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
employee pay
4 seasons maintenance
04-10-2011 09:34 PM
Today 04:40 PM
by Dan Tanner
20 6,792
Lawn Pro Software
phlawncare
Today 01:28 PM
Today 01:28 PM
by phlawncare
0 47
What Fertilizer to Use?
acrajchel
04-07-2014 01:56 PM
Today 01:19 PM
by phlawncare
17 448
this mower is driving me...
boog
04-17-2014 12:07 PM
Today 12:06 PM
by kslawn
7 191
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
Today 11:13 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
32 1,114
Lawn Renovation
stevef1201
04-11-2014 12:00 PM
Today 11:11 AM
by kslawn
10 286
quickbooks users
CDLAWNCARE
Today 09:03 AM
Today 11:06 AM
by BelleCityLawn1
2 49
danny 2
danny2
Yesterday 10:19 PM
Today 05:13 AM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 78
I Got Taken...,
Dan Tanner
Yesterday 06:26 AM
Yesterday 08:15 PM
by Dan Tanner
3 141
new to this forum!
mower13126
04-18-2014 07:37 PM
Yesterday 05:34 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
3 109
REO calling
Dan Tanner
04-16-2014 05:03 PM
Yesterday 11:17 AM
by kslawn
11 271
Customers droping like...
goodtimez
04-18-2014 09:53 AM
Yesterday 08:09 AM
by CDLAWNCARE
7 176
Back for this year
xandrew245x
02-21-2014 04:30 PM
Yesterday 07:59 AM
by xandrew245x
14 872
Any greenhouse operators...
GoGreenerKS
04-15-2014 11:21 AM
Yesterday 07:49 AM
by CDLAWNCARE
4 146
Looking for advice on a...
Tekeda1
04-13-2014 09:53 AM
Yesterday 04:22 AM
by Tekeda1
17 398
2.5 acre mowing
xandrew245x
04-18-2014 06:55 AM
04-18-2014 08:57 PM
by xandrew245x
6 135
Best Bulk Mulch delivery...
Steven Virgadamo
04-18-2014 09:52 AM
04-18-2014 05:34 PM
by Steve
2 74
Steve Virgadamo,...
Steven Virgadamo
04-18-2014 09:49 AM
04-18-2014 05:08 PM
by Steve
2 67
Instagram
Gerardo_Landscape
04-16-2014 11:28 AM
04-18-2014 04:51 PM
by Steve
3 109
Help with weed liability!
Prolawnofchatt
04-15-2014 09:10 AM
04-18-2014 04:47 PM
by Steve
5 199
Nationwide lawn care...
Billy Goat
04-15-2014 05:21 PM
04-18-2014 04:39 PM
by Steve
9 224
Truck Signage
Dan Tanner
04-16-2014 11:00 PM
04-18-2014 04:04 PM
by stevef1201
10 235
leaf removal
tlf59263
04-15-2014 10:00 PM
04-18-2014 03:59 PM
by stevef1201
6 189
Pay per click advertising
roostertail
02-12-2014 07:26 PM
04-17-2014 07:11 PM
by yardrate
10 615
Accepting credit cards,...
Darksteel
03-17-2014 08:01 PM
04-16-2014 01:02 PM
by jymie
15 742
Trimec
acrajchel
04-15-2014 08:24 PM
04-16-2014 11:10 AM
by Steve
3 117
Gopher Forum Discount!
BlackRain75
04-12-2014 10:44 PM
04-16-2014 10:50 AM
by Steve
9 282
hello
NFrailey
04-15-2014 01:39 PM
04-16-2014 10:48 AM
by Steve
1 105
Pricing a Mulch Job
dmcalpi
04-07-2014 02:16 PM
04-16-2014 09:40 AM
by jymie
21 635
google earth
CDLAWNCARE
04-12-2014 03:24 PM
04-16-2014 09:36 AM
by jymie
8 241
There has to be an...
CDLAWNCARE
04-14-2014 12:59 PM
04-15-2014 04:06 PM
by Dan Tanner
6 190
First Day Back!
BelleCityLawn1
04-09-2014 09:13 PM
04-15-2014 11:16 AM
by Steve
11 316
Mow America
stevegredler
04-13-2014 01:02 PM
04-14-2014 09:53 PM
by kslawn
5 218
Power Broom
acrajchel
04-14-2014 07:46 AM
04-14-2014 12:47 PM
by CDLAWNCARE
2 117
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
04-14-2014 11:34 AM
by Steve
1,176 285,835
Equipment reviews
Greg'slawnandlandscape
04-09-2014 07:17 AM
04-14-2014 11:27 AM
by Greg'slawnandlandscape
13 471
Sulky and Turf Tracer
acrajchel
04-07-2014 01:44 PM
04-14-2014 10:51 AM
by Steve
8 370
Aerating Prices?
Dan Tanner
04-08-2014 03:16 PM
04-14-2014 10:31 AM
by Steve
13 460
Estimating help
acrajchel
04-11-2014 06:06 PM
04-14-2014 10:20 AM
by Steve
3 185
Need help bidding church...
GreenRidge Lawn&Landscape
04-07-2014 08:01 PM
04-14-2014 09:49 AM
by Steve
12 438
Hello all
Griff20114
04-12-2014 05:08 PM
04-14-2014 09:46 AM
by Steve
1 123
Step by Step Spring Lawn...
WarriorLawnscaping
04-10-2014 07:01 AM
04-14-2014 09:43 AM
by Steve
5 265
Jeff Cowden
jcowden
04-11-2014 07:27 PM
04-14-2014 09:39 AM
by Steve
1 116
Exmark Commercial 30...
Dan Tanner
04-11-2014 05:35 AM
04-14-2014 09:37 AM
by Steve
4 210
What Was Your Setup When...
superrman77
02-11-2014 10:53 AM
04-14-2014 08:04 AM
by acrajchel
21 1,613
Small guy time to get a...
googus
04-08-2014 08:16 AM
04-13-2014 07:18 PM
by A. Kulak Landscaping
9 344
Weekly vs. Bi-weekly
CDLAWNCARE
04-12-2014 01:48 PM
04-13-2014 06:03 PM
by kslawn
9 354
Weed ID help
TwinBrosLC
04-12-2014 10:39 AM
04-13-2014 07:40 AM
by stevef1201
4 179
Lexington, KY
acrajchel
04-07-2014 01:06 PM
04-11-2014 09:49 PM
by acrajchel
1 149
Food Plot Management
BlackRain75
04-11-2014 10:20 AM
04-11-2014 03:51 PM
by Steve
4 146
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:36 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:36 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy