Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

Dirty Tactics


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #21  
Old 07-22-2012, 08:22 AM
stevef1201 stevef1201 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,107
Rep Power: 6
stevef1201 is on a distinguished road
Default

Putting flyers on the mail box????? Fugetaboutit. Use a real nice post card, and mail it. I know its expensive, But target an area and send a post card every week for 8 weeks. Use a little different card each time, the first showing your business, the subsequent ones focus on mowing (show a before/after picture of a real nice yard, edgeing, trimming, hedge work etc)
You will contact the customer and not have to worry about someone throwing your stuff out.

Door hangers also work real good, but PUT THEM ON THE DOOR!!!

This has gotten me more business than flyers, costs more but worth it.

Personally any junk mail goes right into the trach can, not even getting into the house. Door hangers however at least get into the house.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #22  
Old 07-22-2012, 08:27 AM
LawnBoy0311 LawnBoy0311 is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,169
Rep Power: 0
LawnBoy0311 is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevef1201 View Post
Putting flyers on the mail box????? Fugetaboutit. Use a real nice post card, and mail it. I know its expensive, But target an area and send a post card every week for 8 weeks. Use a little different card each time, the first showing your business, the subsequent ones focus on mowing (show a before/after picture of a real nice yard, edgeing, trimming, hedge work etc)
You will contact the customer and not have to worry about someone throwing your stuff out.

Door hangers also work real good, but PUT THEM ON THE DOOR!!!

This has gotten me more business than flyers, costs more but worth it.

Personally any junk mail goes right into the trach can, not even getting into the house. Door hangers however at least get into the house.



I put postards in doors, probably about 500-600 in a few days. I then got a big goose egg on the phone calls. I thought about mailing, I may try that and target a certain area. I'm hesitant on it though-because I know when I get my mail, I take out the letters and everything else goes in the trash. I'll have to come up with a genious plan...
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-22-2012, 08:30 AM
dpld dpld is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: nj
Posts: 885
Rep Power: 0
dpld is on a distinguished road
Default

i think it is wrong on so many levels and karma will come back and bite you in the azz.
you should have put your flyer with his and then when a customer looked at them they would have said "hey this one guy can not even spell" and then looked at yours and might have been impressed.

instead you made him a victim which always garners pity and made youself look like a dirty thief.
i am not saying you are but that is what you made yourself look like.

we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to pursue what ever career they wish and just because someone beat you to the punch the decision to give that individual a opportunity is not yours to make.

this is just another clear cut example as to why i do not stuff mailboxes or hang stuff on peoples doors because you are not only coming off as unprofessional but you are also dealing with dirty tactics like this and now this dude will start pulling peoples flyers because it happened to him.

it just keeps on going and going.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-22-2012, 08:45 AM
CS-LawnService CS-LawnService is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Paw Paw West Virginia
Age: 50
Posts: 133
Rep Power: 4
CS-LawnService is on a distinguished road
Default

The USPS's website (PDF) states: "Except under 2.11 [dealing with newspaper boxes attached to mailboxes], the receptacles described in 1.1 may be used only for matter bearing postage. Other than as permitted by 2.10 or 2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle." Note that "door slots and nonlockable bins or troughs used with apartment house mailboxes" are excluded from this prohibition, and can be loaded up with as many flyers as they can hold.
__________________
Chris Hoeltke
serving Winchester Virginia and surrounding areas
C&S Lawn Service

Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-22-2012, 09:07 AM
xandrew245x xandrew245x is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 648
Rep Power: 3
xandrew245x is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LawnBoy0311 View Post
Ahh, makes more sense now! At least its confirmed you can place things on the mailboxes!
I can't say 100% it's confirmed, that's just what she told me, and I hope she's right.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-22-2012, 10:16 AM
WorkForMySelf WorkForMySelf is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 210
Rep Power: 0
WorkForMySelf is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CS-LawnService View Post
The USPS's website (PDF) states: "Except under 2.11 [dealing with newspaper boxes attached to mailboxes], the receptacles described in 1.1 may be used only for matter bearing postage. Other than as permitted by 2.10 or 2.11, no part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle." Note that "door slots and nonlockable bins or troughs used with apartment house mailboxes" are excluded from this prohibition, and can be loaded up with as many flyers as they can hold.
"receptacle" is the key word... you can place it on the post with zero consequence... you can place on the box and they can fine you... it a very miniscule fine and almost never happens. Think to yourself if you were delivering mail.. getting paid by the hour and had a million things to do.. would you nit pick and take every flier you see? I know a guy that only fliers to advertise. He does 10k a week for almost 10 years. He gets millions of complaints and one $7 fine so if you are not too sensitive then dont worry about it and do it. Putting it in the box is a federal felony so dont do that or your *** will get hammered
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-22-2012, 10:42 AM
usmc3391 usmc3391 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 73
Rep Power: 3
usmc3391 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dpld View Post
we live in a free country and everyone is entitled to pursue what ever career they wish and just because someone beat you to the punch the decision to give that individual a opportunity is not yours to make.

now this dude will start pulling peoples flyers because it happened to him.

it just keeps on going and going.
exactly if he wants to make a quick buck to feed his family or whatever the reason let him. Let your work speak for itself he wont last long if he is truly lowballing and giving poor service. I have never done this myself although I have looked at competitors flyers to see what they were saying and see what they offer. By you taking off their flyers just keeps the cycle going like dpld said. You only hurt yourself because he will be pissed off and it will come back to you in one way or another. Just keep giving good service, survival of the fittest.

Also you probably would have had an advantage by leaving his flyer there. They would see both of your fliers and make yours look even better. It would be like having a professional sports team play a minor league team. They will look far superior to the other team.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-22-2012, 10:49 AM
xandrew245x xandrew245x is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 648
Rep Power: 3
xandrew245x is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by WorkForMySelf View Post
"receptacle" is the key word... you can place it on the post with zero consequence... you can place on the box and they can fine you... it a very miniscule fine and almost never happens. Think to yourself if you were delivering mail.. getting paid by the hour and had a million things to do.. would you nit pick and take every flier you see? I know a guy that only fliers to advertise. He does 10k a week for almost 10 years. He gets millions of complaints and one $7 fine so if you are not too sensitive then dont worry about it and do it. Putting it in the box is a federal felony so dont do that or your *** will get hammered
I have placed a few hangers on mailboxes and haven't heard anything negative about it. I know if I was a mail delivery guy I wouldn't care to much, unless it got to the point where I couldn't even get the mailbox open without moving a flyer.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-22-2012, 10:13 PM
Grass Doctor Grass Doctor is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: san antonio tx
Posts: 407
Rep Power: 3
Grass Doctor is on a distinguished road
Default

totally wrong u wont like nobody do that to u. that's up to the customer to decide who they hire, i have even pick from the ground others people flyer, guess who got the call.

i took one just to see what where all about, maybe two
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-23-2012, 05:01 AM
PVMS PVMS is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Melbourne, Australia.
Posts: 36
Rep Power: 3
PVMS is on a distinguished road
Default

There are plenty of people out there that can not afford a real contractor, so they call lowballers. Be thankful that these customers are not wasting your time.
Great genuine customers do not call "Beer money Bob's". They want more.

There is alot of competition in my area, both contractors and beer money bob's.
I go out of my way to both help and befriend almost all of them.
I pass on all my tight wad's on to a couple of local lowballers, who inturn pass on jobs that they don't have equipment for.
I also get tons of work from other local guys that I have befriended. My business would not have grown as fast as it has without them. I would happily deliver flyers for them if they asked.
If you are confident in your own marketing skills, competition can become your friend.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dirty tricks competitors do Steve Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. 10 12-17-2010 05:56 PM
Dirty work SuperiorPower General Talk 0 08-23-2010 01:48 PM
Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs Steve Franchise Building, Entrepreneurs, Business Leaders, & Innovators Discussions 2 06-21-2009 01:06 PM
Advertising Tactics!!!! CHEESE2009 Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review! 5 03-17-2009 08:08 AM
Dirty businesses pay better? Steve General Business Discussions 3 10-13-2007 11:17 AM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
Yesterday 07:19 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
9 312
30 Inch Push Mowers Pros...
Billy Goat
06-27-2013 08:07 PM
Yesterday 06:40 PM
by SGL1
22 6,181
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
Yesterday 05:39 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
120 8,187
Replacing a Shindi T-27
Dan Tanner
09-13-2014 12:59 PM
Yesterday 03:16 PM
by kslawn
2 463
Scag turf tiger hydrolic...
ExtremeLawncareServices
09-04-2014 10:55 PM
09-19-2014 05:59 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
11 841
Mowing 7 acres
avetslawncare
08-31-2014 04:24 PM
09-19-2014 03:29 PM
by acrajchel
6 1,007
snowplowing
jshak40
09-01-2014 07:20 AM
09-19-2014 11:49 AM
by Steve
23 1,368
Looking for feed back on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
09-17-2014 08:38 AM
09-19-2014 08:17 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
9 369
Lowballers scrubs &...
Darksteel
01-13-2014 07:35 AM
09-18-2014 06:32 PM
by Northwoods Outdoors
58 6,775
Hello from upstate NY!
A&MLawn&Snow
09-18-2014 11:19 AM
09-18-2014 04:10 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 218
Price to apply fertilizer
SS.Lawncare
09-15-2014 11:10 AM
09-18-2014 01:16 PM
by Steve
9 482
Trailer tires
J.A.S.LawnService
09-01-2014 10:17 AM
09-17-2014 09:57 PM
by curts lawn care
4 929
new to the forum
SGlawncare
09-16-2014 11:20 PM
09-17-2014 08:29 PM
by curts lawn care
3 305
Help With Snow Blowing...
Robertf31
09-13-2014 10:55 PM
09-17-2014 12:34 PM
by Steve
11 661
Non-Stop Summer?
SouthallMowing
09-14-2014 10:51 PM
09-17-2014 10:48 AM
by stevef1201
6 448
Tribulations of working...
stevef1201
09-13-2014 08:37 AM
09-16-2014 10:43 PM
by SGL1
6 439
Poll - net income
Dan5082
11-15-2010 08:08 PM
09-16-2014 04:44 PM
by jrs.landscaping
12 3,216
Getting lowballed!
PineHillLawn
06-27-2012 07:23 AM
09-16-2014 01:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
24 4,894
Compare this summer to...
Steve
09-03-2014 12:52 PM
09-16-2014 11:20 AM
by Hanks Lawn Care Services
15 1,116
thinking about throwing...
veteranslawncaresystems
09-09-2014 10:31 PM
09-15-2014 03:41 PM
by Steve
12 802
Hello
Robertf31
09-12-2014 10:34 PM
09-15-2014 03:17 PM
by Steve
2 395
Newbie......Again
Jibber
09-13-2014 12:17 PM
09-15-2014 02:54 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
2 484
need help with starter...
GoGreenerKS
09-12-2014 04:23 PM
09-15-2014 02:25 PM
by Steve
3 414
Brake job!
kslawn
08-30-2014 07:49 AM
09-15-2014 02:16 PM
by Steve
12 1,109
Hello
jawnebgoode
08-28-2014 08:37 PM
09-15-2014 02:15 PM
by Steve
3 884
Employee uniforms
Gerardo_Landscape
01-21-2014 11:11 PM
09-15-2014 02:12 PM
by Steve
5 1,021
Greetings from the north
Northwoods Outdoors
09-13-2014 08:55 AM
09-15-2014 02:07 PM
by Steve
1 379
darleneh
darleneh
09-15-2014 12:33 PM
09-15-2014 02:07 PM
by Sprinkler Buddy
1 330
My 1st bid
WesleySnips
06-11-2014 03:13 PM
09-15-2014 02:05 PM
by Steve
29 1,796
New Aerator
Chaz
09-09-2014 11:43 PM
09-15-2014 01:50 PM
by Steve
9 636
Yearly contract Pricing
jrob0691
08-21-2014 08:57 AM
09-15-2014 01:23 PM
by stevef1201
8 1,280
getting ready to start
calebmoss
05-23-2011 09:35 PM
09-11-2014 12:21 PM
by Steve
34 11,286
Stihl pull cord replace
SGL1
09-03-2014 09:22 PM
09-10-2014 12:25 PM
by Steve
9 805
Softball field
kslawn
08-15-2014 09:28 AM
09-10-2014 12:16 PM
by Steve
18 1,550
Lawn Route Templates
Landscaper1165
08-30-2014 01:52 PM
09-09-2014 08:05 PM
by Landscaper1165
4 1,033
New truck and trailer...
Johnny Rocket
05-14-2012 03:41 PM
09-09-2014 07:23 PM
by Matther777
18 6,626
What gets you bad press?
Steve
09-09-2014 11:48 AM
09-09-2014 07:21 PM
by Matther777
2 507
Signs on your snow plow?
Steve
01-15-2007 01:07 AM
09-09-2014 11:42 AM
by Steve
19 6,250
Exmark Lazer Z S-Series...
BLC7
08-22-2014 10:18 AM
09-08-2014 08:08 PM
by avetslawncare
12 1,322
New to the business
flamingyouth87
09-05-2014 11:52 AM
09-08-2014 11:55 AM
by Steve
3 716
Hello from Ohio
kurtwin
08-28-2014 05:06 PM
09-08-2014 11:51 AM
by Steve
7 1,009
Facebook
element009
03-23-2011 08:36 AM
09-07-2014 07:35 AM
by avetslawncare
24 7,793
Help pricing cut down 7...
Bradcook21
08-26-2014 11:17 PM
09-06-2014 02:09 PM
by Bradcook21
8 1,097
billing matters
sbuchanan8154
09-05-2014 09:56 AM
09-05-2014 03:00 PM
by Steve
3 698
Thoughts
googus
09-05-2014 07:28 AM
09-05-2014 02:23 PM
by Steve
2 638
Backflow Tester
flowcheckllc.2014
09-03-2014 04:37 PM
09-05-2014 02:15 PM
by Steve
3 734
Collections & collection...
jscarolina
09-03-2014 04:39 PM
09-04-2014 03:14 PM
by Steve
2 746
Sod
RosalesLawnCare
08-27-2014 03:47 PM
09-04-2014 02:42 PM
by RosalesLawnCare
4 999
Lawn needs top soil What...
jymie
08-26-2014 11:01 AM
09-03-2014 12:07 PM
by Steve
7 1,072
Hello! New here and...
CaliforniaFriendly
08-29-2014 11:30 AM
09-03-2014 11:15 AM
by Steve
4 990
» Popular Tags
4wd auger butterfly gardens charge christmas christmas lighting credit card processing customers deliquentaccounts estimate exmark ferris first truck foreman georgia gopherhaul grass gravely hills holiday how much to charge how to bid husqvarna introduction john deere quik trac kansas city kawasaki labor cost landscape services late lawn lawn care business book lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website leaf cleanup leaf removal lesco lighting marketing mowing mulch estimate new and restored landscapes new buisness new mower podcast property management company pto reo rotating scag scripts season seo small engine repair sprayer starting a business starting a lawn care business start up lawn care business steve stihl theft tips toro toro grand stand trailer trimmer rack walker
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:44 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:44 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy