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Don't you think that the manufacturers of such units, like the Cub Cadet and other Baggers, would RECOMMEND to their customers to do just that - what you did yourself - thus saving them time and aggravation, especially in communities were they are, by law, forced to bag?

Or, homeowners with similar units like yours, would DO what you did, especially that they own the machine.

There's a reason as to why this is not happening in my humble opinion, and that is, these machine are NOT designed to do that, if they were, people would have done it.

By the way, unless your Cub had a compactor (as an option and it is expensive), you would have had to STOP when the bags are full, and hop off and push somehow the leaves down to pick up more leaves, and have to do that often before you go to the curb and unload.

From the top, our unit is:

1) Non motorized, meaning a lot cheaper than any decent motorized mower, not to mention a ridingmowerwith bagging capability.

2) Very few people buy a riding mower with bagging for the market we're looking for, smaller size lots.

3) The ease of use of our unit, just pushing it like a shopping cart, pull the lever to compact the two bags when needed, keep going until filled, STOP, swiftly pull off the filled bags, put them on the cleared lawn, set up 2 more bags, available on board, and keep going.

4) Before you know it, you'll look behind you and see a bunch of filled bags on the cleared lawn, ready to drag to the curb. And you are done.

I'll also have a small on board rake, to use when I need to say, rake leaves and other debris from areas where the unit cannot go, like flower beds etc.

Again, any response from you is appreciated, as usual.

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Don't you think that the manufacturers of such units, like the Cub Cadet and other Baggers, would RECOMMEND to their customers to do just that - what you did yourself - thus saving them time and aggravation, especially in communities were they are, by law, forced to bag?

Or, homeowners with similar units like yours, would DO what you did, especially that they own the machine.

There's a reason as to why this is not happening in my humble opinion, and that is, these machine are NOT designed to do that, if they were, people would have done it.

By the way, unless your Cub had a compactor (as an option and it is expensive), you would have had to STOP when the bags are full, and hop off and push somehow the leaves down to pick up more leaves, and have to do that often before you go to the curb and unload.

From the top, our unit is:

1) Non motorized, meaning a lot cheaper than any decent motorized mower, not to mention a ridingmowerwith bagging capability.

2) Very few people buy a riding mower with bagging for the market we're looking for, smaller size lots.

3) The ease of use of our unit, just pushing it like a shopping cart, pull the lever to compact the two bags when needed, keep going until filled, STOP, swiftly pull off the filled bags, put them on the cleared lawn, set up 2 more bags, available on board, and keep going.

4) Before you know it, you'll look behind you and see a bunch of filled bags on the cleared lawn, ready to drag to the curb. And you are done.

I'll also have a small on board rake, to use when I need to say, rake leaves and other debris from areas where the unit cannot go, like flower beds etc.

Again, any response from you is appreciated, as usual.
Wouldnt the mower blades on the rider act like your mulcher??
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Old 07-10-2012, 06:53 PM
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Don't you think that the manufacturers of such units, like the Cub Cadet and other Baggers, would RECOMMEND to their customers to do just that - what you did yourself - thus saving them time and aggravation, especially in communities were they are, by law, forced to bag?

Or, homeowners with similar units like yours, would DO what you did, especially that they own the machine.

There's a reason as to why this is not happening in my humble opinion, and that is, these machine are NOT designed to do that, if they were, people would have done it.

By the way, unless your Cub had a compactor (as an option and it is expensive), you would have had to STOP when the bags are full, and hop off and push somehow the leaves down to pick up more leaves, and have to do that often before you go to the curb and unload.

From the top, our unit is:

1) Non motorized, meaning a lot cheaper than any decent motorized mower, not to mention a ridingmowerwith bagging capability.

2) Very few people buy a riding mower with bagging for the market we're looking for, smaller size lots.

3) The ease of use of our unit, just pushing it like a shopping cart, pull the lever to compact the two bags when needed, keep going until filled, STOP, swiftly pull off the filled bags, put them on the cleared lawn, set up 2 more bags, available on board, and keep going.

4) Before you know it, you'll look behind you and see a bunch of filled bags on the cleared lawn, ready to drag to the curb. And you are done.

I'll also have a small on board rake, to use when I need to say, rake leaves and other debris from areas where the unit cannot go, like flower beds etc.

Again, any response from you is appreciated, as usual.
The cub mulched the leaves just fine. The bags were quite heavy. The thing you've got will do the job, maybe. Why you don't know anyone that has ever put a paper catch bag inside their lawn mower bag is anyones guess. It works quite well. As you said you are going for a very very very small market. Therefor I'm out. Shark tank. lol.
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Not here looking for your investment money my man, just throwing the idea out there. I feel very good about the responses I've gotten on here so far, as they've been far more positive than negative. God, you're certainly allowed to use whatever method you want to clear your lawn, so we'll just agree to disagree. Although, I'm just wondering about one thing: what makes you believe the market is so small? Do you have any numbers to back that up at all? After all, there are, like i said, 100,000,000 single detached homes in the country. Let's say only 10% of them fit within our specific demographic (and that's a low estimate), is 10,000,000 a very very very small market? I'm not saying that we're selling 10 million of these suckers, but you are the absolute first person we've spoken to in 3 years who said we're going after a small target market. So you're either the smartest and most insightful guy around, or you're just misinformed. I'm going to trust the research that we've done over your gut instinct.

You don't have to be in love with the idea, but your argument has to have merit, and just because you have a different way of doing it, doesn't in any way make our machine invalid. The majority of posts we got here in just 2 short days have been overwhelmingly positive. Everyone everywhere is yearning for a better way to do this job, that's undeniable. This does it differently than anything else out there - that too, is undeniable. Sure, it looks crude now, and sure, you can rig your machine to do a similar job, but the fact is, no product has ever been marketed to pick up and bag leaves in one step. You're looking at the first one, and we hope to have it on the market in the near future. Thanks again for all your feedback, we do sincerely appreciate it.

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Putting a paper bag/plastic bag in the mower hardly does anything.

The bags that are made for mowers use breathable material to increase suction and prevent 'tornadoes' lmao. The leaves would just try to escape where they came in from (the chute).

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Honestly, I think most of you are forgetting that most 'shoppers' are idiots.

Before I get ahead of myself, I must say I like this product so far - but even if it did a lousy job, it would surely sell very well regardless!

NOTHING is worse than hand held leaf vacs, and how many people purchased those? Exactly!



I believe this convener belt type system is very intelligent, you could probably get away with hooking up any god damn bag you want to the end of it, and that's awesome!

With tractors even, you take your filled bag only to empty it into another bag = silly (for those who don't have a place to properly dump)...

If you can find a cost-effective way to mulch the leaves, you'll make all the money in the world!

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lol. go for it man. what do I know. If I stoped doing something every time someone said that's stupid or that won't work I wouldn't be where I am today.

Wait a minute. On second thought maybe I should have listend to them. WTF ! As far as mower bags needing to be breathable, I agree. Mine had a vent hole in the cover with a screen over it.

At the very least you'll learn a little something about how to do what you're doing. Just try not to let a lawyer get involved. He'll be the only one making any money. Good luck wish you nothing but the best.
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Thanks Godslapper, appreciate the kind words. Again, we're not the smartest guys in the room, we were actually extremely surprised when we were granted our patent, because that means that no one else did ever think of it. And that surprised the hell out of us.

Cheese, thanks for articulating your thoughts my friend. I'm not just saying that because you agree with us, I'm saying that because you are pointing out the exact things we've been saying for years (emptying a bag into a bag is pointless, and that lawn vacs are useless because they pick up nothing). My dad has a 200 mile-a-day work route and during the past several years he has spoken to countless people. He'd literally stop his car when he sees someone raking, blowing, or bagging their leaves, and he'd ask them what they'd think if they had his machine as an option. They all said, "why the heck isn't something like that out there already?"

And that's what i wanted to ask you Cheese, why would you say no one has ever thought of this before? It simply can NOT be cost, because like you said, people will buy products that haver no merit, and this one HAS merit, we've determined that. To be honest, cost is the only factor people challenge us with, "oh it'll cost way too much, no one'll buy it." Or, "why would someone buy that for $400 when they've already got a lawnmower that does the same thing?" Only rarely do we get these criticisms, but they're there. And like you pointed out in your post, this machine is nothing like using a lawnmower with a bag attached to it. Because even with that, sure, it's easy to pick up the leaves, but like my dad always says, "what do you do with them then? The leaves are not yet in the brown bag!" The fact that this machine does both, and the leaves are in the standard, universal bag that every town in America accepts in one effortless step is where we feel the true value is. Every other product really only solves half the problem.

So my question Cheese, because you seem like you're a pro, is could there be a reason that we're missing as to why the big companies have yet to produce a product like this?
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I'm just going to repost my original post so anyone joining us late can see the video if they're on this 3rd page of comments and didn't get a chance to watch the video, thanks.

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So my question Cheese, because you seem like you're a pro, is could there be a reason that we're missing as to why the big companies have yet to produce a product like this?
Attachments for mowers would seem to sell more because everyone already owns a mower, and that's a huge advantage considering the market is already created.

Not only that, but people are often interested in 'one tool does all' products, because in the end they are probably saving money in the long run.

They have an electric lawn mower created, and it has 3 uses;
Mowing, thatch removal, and aeration - all for about $300. You can see why people would be pushed to buy this over anything else.

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Your goal should be to make your leaf collector EASY to use, that's why Mac computers are selling so well - people are attracted to simplicity, and are frightened of lots of buttons and levers.




Hope this helps, gotta go to work now LOL... I'm lazy this week.
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I liked the idea. I just never used a sweeper that worked good. The problem wasnt the bagging it was the sweeper sucked. Even the vacuums dont pick up good unless there big 18 hp engines.
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