Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation
A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!

Chemical Free Organic Spraying


Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-04-2012, 07:53 AM
Shark1611 Shark1611 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 374
Rep Power: 6
Shark1611 is on a distinguished road
Default Chemical Free Organic Spraying

I have looked all over the internet to find how to get set up doing this but have not had any luck. Is there a company that any of you use that I can buy product that will take care of what round-up does, MSMA, trimac, etc.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 01-04-2012, 10:34 AM
mark123's Avatar
mark123 mark123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsyltucky
Posts: 1,404
Rep Power: 9
mark123 is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
For an organic round up sort of solution you can use 20% vinegar. It kind of works. For a short while. Not really though.

For MSMA and trimec (triplet/three-way/etc) there is no selective organic weed killer. The best you can hope for is to thicken the turf and hope for the best.

I've had some limited success with organic treatments but only for greening and thickening the turf, not for weed control.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-04-2012, 11:52 AM
TiedemanLLC TiedemanLLC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 226
Rep Power: 5
TiedemanLLC is on a distinguished road
Default

First of all MSMA was banned a couple years due to testing in Florida. It's only available for golf courses, right of way, and sod farms. They found with their tests that it leached into the ground water but they may reconsider the ban.....maybe.

The only thing that I have used is vinegar and dish soap (the dish soap is the surfactant). But of course whenever I use those, I combine them with 2,4D, and Round-up. You will get amazing weed control for beds, right of way, parking lots, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-04-2012, 12:08 PM
mark123's Avatar
mark123 mark123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsyltucky
Posts: 1,404
Rep Power: 9
mark123 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TiedemanLLC View Post
... they may reconsider the ban.....maybe.
They won't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiedemanLLC View Post
... The only thing that I have used is vinegar and dish soap (the dish soap is the surfactant). But of course whenever I use those, I combine them with 2,4D, and Round-up. You will get amazing weed control for beds, right of way, parking lots, etc.
Does vinegar add anything to roundup? I'd think the combination wouldn't control weeds as well because the vinegar desiccates the leaf tissue limiting translocation of the control chemicals to the roots. I'd like to see and A-B test on that.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-04-2012, 03:22 PM
TiedemanLLC TiedemanLLC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 226
Rep Power: 5
TiedemanLLC is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mark123 View Post
They won't.

Does vinegar add anything to roundup? I'd think the combination wouldn't control weeds as well because the vinegar desiccates the leaf tissue limiting translocation of the control chemicals to the roots. I'd like to see and A-B test on that.

The whole MSMA they may bring it back. I briefly scanned the test results and actually have read some of the articles from other experts. The biggest thing that stood out to me was that the testing was skewed.

I was introduced to this spraying procedure a years ago from someone that worked for Agrium. It's basically the acetic acid in that works well on certain weeds, for example horses tail. But keep in mind, I have found that using just strictly vingear does very little to the roots. It's more of a contact pesticide compared to systemic. But I will give you a little secret...the main reason for using the vinegar is to adjust the PH level of your spraying water. Keep in mind, you can't keep this in your tank very long because it starts to break down.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-04-2012, 06:33 PM
Ducke's Avatar
Ducke Ducke is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Duck Pond
Posts: 844
Rep Power: 0
Ducke is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mark123 View Post
They won't.

Does vinegar add anything to roundup? I'd think the combination wouldn't control weeds as well because the vinegar desiccates the leaf tissue limiting translocation of the control chemicals to the roots. I'd like to see and A-B test on that.
Don't say never when it comes to tree huggers.
We are not allowed to buy sell or use any pesticides at all here as of last year.
once a again the industry sat on their *** till the last minute thinking oh they won't ban it and then there was a big rush to fight the tree huggers but it was to late and they won. It sucks but we are working on alternatives to pesticides.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-04-2012, 06:58 PM
mark123's Avatar
mark123 mark123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsyltucky
Posts: 1,404
Rep Power: 9
mark123 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducke View Post
Don't say never when it comes to tree huggers. ...
I was saying the government, once they've taken control, will not relinquish it. They're convinced that the ban is "for the common good" and to undo it would be admitting they were wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-04-2012, 09:01 PM
SECTLANDSCAPING SECTLANDSCAPING is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: CT
Posts: 1,912
Rep Power: 0
SECTLANDSCAPING is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mark123 View Post
I was saying the government, once they've taken control, will not relinquish it. They're convinced that the ban is "for the common good" and to undo it would be admitting they were wrong.
Somewhat, sometimes there slow though. I forgot the name of the Dupoint chemical that was killing trees but the company itself took it off the market. They been replacing trees across the country since.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-04-2012, 09:17 PM
mark123's Avatar
mark123 mark123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsyltucky
Posts: 1,404
Rep Power: 9
mark123 is on a distinguished road
Default

That's Imprelis. I wish I'd have bought more before they took it of the market.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-08-2012, 07:23 PM
Shark1611 Shark1611 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 374
Rep Power: 6
Shark1611 is on a distinguished road
Default

Well these are the kind of answers I was thinking I would find. I talked with a pest and week control guy the other day and he stated he is reviewed more now that he is legal than when he was doing it without his license. I guess I will continue to do the mowing and have a license person do the rest till I can find the time to study and take the class.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
mowing or spraying? etoye81 Introduce Yourself 1 02-27-2011 07:54 PM
Spraying! Growing Green Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation 3 12-20-2010 04:30 AM
Organic Spraying turfmaster Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation 6 01-29-2010 03:06 PM
Spraying picframer Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation 30 04-25-2009 03:00 AM
Lawn Spraying NCLAWNMASTER General Business Discussions 5 05-19-2005 11:36 PM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Any successful one man...
WarriorLandscapingCAN
Today 06:04 AM
Today 05:48 PM
by Steve
1 22
What were your top...
WarriorLandscapingCAN
09-13-2016 05:10 PM
Today 05:43 PM
by Steve
4 354
Enter to win Free...
arthur712
Yesterday 11:28 AM
Today 05:41 PM
by Steve
1 34
I have a new show!
Chilehead
09-19-2016 06:50 PM
09-23-2016 05:45 AM
by Chilehead
7 125
First commercial estimate
WarriorLandscapingCAN
09-19-2016 12:42 PM
09-22-2016 05:42 PM
by acrajchel
7 124
Larger projects - Labor...
WarriorLandscapingCAN
09-18-2016 07:38 AM
09-21-2016 06:51 AM
by Chilehead
5 151
I need some business...
Firehouselawn@hotmail.com
07-06-2016 05:42 AM
09-16-2016 01:50 PM
by DLC123
5 604
Is it too late?
Cpadgett
05-28-2016 09:10 AM
09-16-2016 01:35 PM
by DLC123
15 1,316
Not a newbie just...
lwlawn
09-09-2016 02:32 PM
09-16-2016 01:25 PM
by DLC123
2 504
I'm making stupid money...
WarriorLandscapingCAN
08-07-2016 07:07 PM
09-16-2016 01:15 PM
by DLC123
6 1,385
Lawn problem
magiccc
09-14-2016 11:37 AM
09-15-2016 06:14 AM
by Chilehead
2 276
What kind of seed do you...
Bradcook21
09-02-2016 02:58 PM
09-12-2016 07:18 AM
by joshp
4 900
Commercial Flail Mower...
Chickenthief
09-05-2016 04:46 PM
09-09-2016 04:50 PM
by Steve
7 768
Newbie here
paulgrant
09-07-2016 04:52 PM
09-09-2016 12:01 AM
by paulgrant
2 607
Hello, New Member Here,...
Chickenthief
09-05-2016 06:19 PM
09-08-2016 09:35 PM
by Chickenthief
6 725
Pricing fall cleanups?
WarriorLandscapingCAN
09-06-2016 11:17 AM
09-07-2016 04:06 PM
by Steve
3 702
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
09-06-2016 05:25 PM
by Steve
1,255 443,757
My Invention
biglee
01-11-2015 06:51 PM
08-31-2016 02:47 PM
by Steve
21 3,259
fliers
joshp
08-19-2016 03:23 PM
08-30-2016 07:47 PM
by SC93
11 1,995
fert/lawn programs
joshp
08-28-2016 10:43 AM
08-30-2016 03:27 PM
by acrajchel
2 1,111
Landscaper taking on odd...
WarriorLandscapingCAN
08-07-2016 06:57 PM
08-28-2016 10:31 AM
by joshp
7 1,321
» Popular Tags
annual apartment become an entrepreneur best mower be your own boss bidding business business education business help business management complex contractor hacks contracts convention converting customer dethatcher edging entrepreneur entrepreneur education estimate estimates fuel problems fuel pump half moon blade intro introduction jjandm lawncare l.t.rich landscape landscape design landscaping landscaping design company landscaping richmond va landscping lawn lawncare lawnservice lowering grade marketing mulch planting raising grade residential lawn care richmond va richmond virginia lawn care seasonal snowblower snow plowing snow shovel sprayer start a business start a lawn care business start business start up toro timecutter townhome tree tree service video web design websites what to charge work from home z-max z-spray
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy