Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > General Talk

General Talk If it doesn't fit anywhere else, post it here.

scam?


General Talk

If it doesn't fit anywhere else, post it here.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 03-26-2011, 10:22 AM
mxr163 mxr163 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 7
mxr163 is on a distinguished road
Default scam?

This guy contacted me through craigslist a day after i posted....

Hello ____,
My name is ____ ________, I do work for mortgage companies and need someone willing to take on lawns in the area you service. The banks pay pretty good, they require digital camera photo's of the property before cutting and after cutting each time you have a work order. The work orders come down every day of the week so you'll receive these orders which will have to be completed and sent in within 2 days. You'll work orders are paid every two weeks. Tues. through Tues. usually receiving the check by Friday. If you have an interest in this work, contact me at xxx-xxx-xxxx or drop me an e-mail __________

Thanks
____ _________

I did speak with him on the phone and gave him the zip codes i was interested in and i wanted to meet up with him, he said we would meet up on the first job. He said he is unable to keep up on the lawns this year. Is he just trying to help the bank out in that area to keep in good standing for doing other work for them you think? It just seems a little fishy to me.
What do you guys think?
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 03-26-2011, 11:24 AM
The Cleaning Doctor's Avatar
The Cleaning Doctor The Cleaning Doctor is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Helena, MT
Posts: 927
Rep Power: 7
The Cleaning Doctor is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Quote:
Originally Posted by mxr163 View Post
I did speak with him on the phone and gave him the zip codes i was interested in and i wanted to meet up with him, he said we would meet up on the first job.
The bold part is the one I worry about. Also on the photos, I have heard nightmares from property preservation contractors where they would not get paid because they did not take a photo of them pouring the antifreeze down the sink drain. Be careful because these people will use any excuse to keep from paying.

It does sound a little fishy as who are they? The bank? Do you have a contact at the bank directly? If this guy is not paying you directly, you need to speak to whoever is.
__________________
Pat
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-26-2011, 11:54 AM
Simpkins's Avatar
Simpkins Simpkins is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Tri-State Area
Age: 35
Posts: 100
Rep Power: 6
Simpkins is on a distinguished road
Default

I agree with the doctor on this one. I would verify this guy is affiliated with the banks in question. Talk to whomever is signing the check and see exactly what they require of you.

If you are going to meet this guy and you work alone, take someone along with you. I'd also recommend some personal protection. At the very least, some vaseline.

Haha, seriously though, don't go alone.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-26-2011, 12:04 PM
mxr163 mxr163 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 7
mxr163 is on a distinguished road
Default

haha, ya, i'll bring along a body guard.

ya, i believe contacting the banks and where the check is coming from is a good idea.

i figured on the downside of things, i work for 1 or 2 weeks till im supposed to be paid and see that there is something wrong. Then no more
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-26-2011, 01:34 PM
Hedgemaster Hedgemaster is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 2,772
Rep Power: 0
Hedgemaster is on a distinguished road
Default

I'm pretty new to all of this yet, but it sounds like he can't get the work done alone and wants to subcontract you for some of it.

Sound about right? Otherwise, the BANK would be the one contacting you.

I dunno... you talked to him - I didn't, so you have a better feel for what's going on here, but I'd be wary. It may not even be legal for you to DO the work if HE is the one contracted to cut the properties.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-26-2011, 02:45 PM
shadrach's Avatar
shadrach shadrach is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 262
Rep Power: 7
shadrach is on a distinguished road
Default

Subbing work like this is not uncommon. "Bank" pays him and then he pays you is my guess. If it is legitimate he has a service agreement/contract that he has to follow and it will probably have provisions on him subcontracting and you will want to see it. Two days from getting work order to it being completed, documented and sent back seems kind of short. How are prices set?
Also be careful on the documentation - something not done exactly right or in the right time frame is probably grounds for them not to pay.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-26-2011, 07:38 PM
Liberty Landscaping LLC Liberty Landscaping LLC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Woodbridge, NJ
Posts: 243
Rep Power: 7
Liberty Landscaping LLC is on a distinguished road
Default

I have never expierenced this first hand. I would go with the Dr. Find out what is role is in all this. If he is sub ing it to you. Ask to see his contract. Ask if it is going to be under your insurance or his. I would also get a set price for each property. I work for a real estate company doing rentals and my contact is agency owner. We have a contract. I do not have to take photos. I list my services ie cutting lawn (bagging or not), edging, blowing it all down. It is all spelled out. I list all of the properties I have to do and as she adds them I send her a changed contract and have her initial next to each property. She then scans it and sends it back. CYOA!!!! Cover your own ***. You also want to know if the "banks" are paying you or he is. Then include I will be paid by weekly no later then Friday or what have you. If it's in writing you won't get burned and It will even hold up in Judge Judy's court is my Lawyer's favorite expression. Good luck. Sounds like alot of work. I would meet him at his office too. Know he is a reputable company check the BBB and what not. Be safe and Good luck just my 2 cents.
__________________
Liberty Landscaping LLC
www.libertylndscpng.com
Woodbridge, NJ
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-27-2011, 02:20 AM
bruces bruces is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 828
Rep Power: 0
bruces is on a distinguished road
Default

whats wrong with meeting him at the first job site ?if it was work I might be interested in I would even meet him in a dark alley .Do you guys think there are some kind of gangsters that pick on the uber rich lawn guy?besides if you do get robbed,murdered or whatever your afraid of,your computer has his info in it,no breadcrumbs required .Nothing about his email to you sounds far fetched,or out of the ordinary ,even his not wanting to meet at his office,he might not have an office ,or he might want to show you a job in person,or he might want to see what your equipment looks like or who knows .Also,if you wanted to hire a sub,would you show the sub your contract ?I wouldnt for fear of him stealing my client,knowing exactly what I charge etc. .
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-27-2011, 02:31 AM
The Cleaning Doctor's Avatar
The Cleaning Doctor The Cleaning Doctor is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Helena, MT
Posts: 927
Rep Power: 7
The Cleaning Doctor is on a distinguished road
Default

The reason for skepticism on my part is that this falls under the property preservation trade and all you have to do is search and you will find plenty of stories about not getting paid. It is a very common occurrence.

Not all property preservation companies are bad but it is one area where you have to be very cautious. I don't think there is any personal danger here but there is the potential for not getting paid. Could you afford to work for 2 weeks and then not get paid? I have seen stories where a company was not paid because the photo was taken from a different angle. Or one where they did not take a picture of them pouring the antifreeze down the drain.

One other thing that concerns me is the 2 days to completion. Are you going to do these jobs to complete them on time to the detriment of your other customers? In the end your other customers are a longer term prospect than a preservation company.
__________________
Pat
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-27-2011, 07:11 AM
shadrach's Avatar
shadrach shadrach is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 262
Rep Power: 7
shadrach is on a distinguished road
Default

I sub some of this type of work for a company that is in another state. There is a 5 page service agreement that does not mention prices but explains rules,procedures & payment schedules. This is something I would show to anyone I was subbing any of the work to.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
PayPal scam Steve Search Engine Optimization and Website Design Discussions. 1 11-13-2010 06:32 AM
Making money online, not always a scam mhoward92 General Business Discussions 9 03-14-2009 11:20 PM
Lawn Mowing is a scam???? Steve General Talk 4 06-12-2007 07:15 PM
Beware of this business scam Steve General Business Discussions 0 08-08-2005 03:30 PM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
How much to charge for...
jymie
03-31-2013 05:59 PM
Yesterday 08:02 PM
by Steve
25 6,006
Now Hiring Just South of...
Chilehead
Yesterday 11:38 AM
Yesterday 11:38 AM
by Chilehead
0 14
Hi from Long Island NY
Lori22
07-18-2016 02:01 PM
07-26-2016 11:22 PM
by Chilehead
11 242
Hi everyone!
greenwavemedia
07-25-2016 03:22 PM
07-26-2016 11:21 AM
by Lawnline
2 51
Hi! I'm Tony from Tampa
Lawnline
07-12-2016 06:47 PM
07-26-2016 11:12 AM
by Lawnline
6 653
Needing a website built
burtle
06-17-2015 09:02 AM
07-26-2016 10:30 AM
by Lawnline
16 18,650
Z246 Deck change question
JohnsLawnCare
07-25-2016 01:47 PM
07-25-2016 06:38 PM
by Steve
1 43
DIY Sprayer
acrajchel
07-25-2016 09:13 AM
07-25-2016 06:36 PM
by Steve
1 44
Hello Everyone
JohnsLawnCare
06-22-2016 11:14 AM
07-25-2016 06:20 PM
by Steve
15 570
New Site Hows it look
Infinitelawn
03-16-2015 10:32 AM
07-25-2016 03:06 PM
by greenwavemedia
5 10,508
Looking for new host
Just for Cuts
11-26-2015 06:58 AM
07-25-2016 02:49 PM
by greenwavemedia
9 1,486
New Business Owner
danesdanglas87
07-20-2016 12:31 PM
07-21-2016 05:04 PM
by Steve
2 117
Question about...
Bradcook21
07-18-2016 05:22 PM
07-19-2016 04:38 PM
by Steve
2 139
Hello from Watertown New...
lawnmanrick81
07-19-2016 03:57 PM
07-19-2016 04:11 PM
by Steve
1 83
Gutter Cleaning Tool
DanielThomas
07-18-2016 08:23 AM
07-18-2016 04:36 PM
by Steve
1 113
Starting on a lawn care...
Coco3465
07-16-2016 11:26 AM
07-17-2016 09:20 AM
by Steve
1 140
Aspiring Company Owner
TJ136
07-12-2016 05:12 AM
07-15-2016 02:52 PM
by SC93
6 241
Hi Everyone
JavelinaLawn
07-10-2016 07:29 PM
07-13-2016 02:01 PM
by Chilehead
5 774
Review of our lawn care...
Lawnline
07-12-2016 06:40 PM
07-12-2016 06:40 PM
by Lawnline
0 409
Custom Canopies
JohnsLawnCare
07-12-2016 08:38 AM
07-12-2016 04:14 PM
by Steve
1 285
Spot checked by...
Just for Cuts
06-28-2016 02:34 PM
07-11-2016 03:53 PM
by Steve
4 302
John Deere JS40 issues
Mr. Mow
07-06-2016 01:28 PM
07-11-2016 03:52 PM
by Steve
3 228
Start My Own Business?
mowandblow1980
01-12-2016 07:43 PM
07-11-2016 11:18 AM
by DanielThomas
15 1,785
Rubber mulch...
avetslawncare
06-24-2015 09:28 PM
07-11-2016 09:11 AM
by Chilehead
9 3,315
Firefighter gone Lawn...
Firehouselawn@hotmail.com
03-10-2016 04:50 PM
07-07-2016 05:07 PM
by Steve
11 10,563
I need some business...
Firehouselawn@hotmail.com
07-06-2016 05:42 AM
07-07-2016 05:00 PM
by Steve
4 273
Business Overload
Chilehead
05-06-2016 09:27 PM
07-07-2016 04:53 PM
by Steve
24 1,288
Chemical Applications
acrajchel
06-24-2016 06:44 PM
07-05-2016 12:38 PM
by Chilehead
6 388
Is it too late?
Cpadgett
05-28-2016 09:10 AM
07-05-2016 11:54 AM
by Steve
14 891
3 Applications or 5...
stansg1fresh
02-18-2013 12:02 PM
07-04-2016 09:19 AM
by LawnPerfection
9 1,716
Best Push Mower You Have...
markty
05-14-2016 03:46 PM
07-02-2016 03:41 AM
by markty
27 1,961
Great Arborist Ladder
SGL1
06-04-2016 09:56 AM
06-28-2016 08:04 PM
by mowandblow1980
11 709
Newbie
Jhoell
06-25-2016 03:28 AM
06-28-2016 02:11 PM
by Chilehead
2 283
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
06-28-2016 11:02 AM
by Brownieboy
1,253 440,420
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:46 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:46 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy