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Old 12-20-2010, 09:57 PM
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Hello All,

I don't post that often, but I am about to make an important business decision and I would appreciate your feedback.

I have been running now for two years part-time. We have a good group of clients, good equipment and things are going well. I am looking at taking it to the next level and I was wondering if any of you have made this jump before. In my state you have two groups of legitiment businesses.

1. In this area Landscape maintenance is not regulated. Anyone with a mower can go out and start work. We fall in this catagory now. We pay our taxes, carry business licenses in the citys we work and have liability insurance.

2. All of the above. In addition they have a license from the landscape contractors board. This is needed to do installs or modifications and to work on irrigation systems. In addition, you need an applicators license to apply herbicides (post and pre emergent) on any non-residental property.

Most major contracts for commerical and municiple require the above licenses. The cost for the study material, testing, bonding, insurance and ongoing education is not cheap.

Has anyone made this jump? I have been disqualified from federal and large commercial contracts because I don't have the needed credentials.

Any thoughts and opinions are welcome.
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Old 12-21-2010, 05:29 PM
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We have seen many members make such a jump. Whether you should do it should be based on your future plans and goals. How do you see this move helping you? Where would you like to take your business once you took such a step?
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We have seen many members make such a jump. Whether you should do it should be based on your future plans and goals. How do you see this move helping you? Where would you like to take your business once you took such a step?
Ah Steve, we can always count on you to respond to each post with a clarifing question. I like that.

At the rate I'm moving, it is going to take years for me to build up a solid book of business that would be full time. We have added a good amount of clients, but all residental and minor commerical. With the additional credentials, we should be able to be competative with the "big boys" in town. The draw back is the major investment to get the licenses and then having the higher overhead immediately. The up side is we would be in the running for the $30k plus annual contracts.

I imagine other guys out there have had this come up. Every state is different, but I imagine that you always have a level of seperation for the "guy with a mower" operation and the "big boy" large commercial operations.
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Coming from the chemical application side of the business I can only recommend you go for it. Your going to open up a lot more business opportunities, both commercial and residential.

Speaking only for the two companies I have worked for in the past 6 years, chemical app and fert was where the money was at. From the people i've talked to, starting out can be expensive, but once you get established you should be good.

If my plans work out where I casn get my business off the ground this year, then I plan on starting a program in the 2nd or 3rd year.
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This is really a great question you brought up.

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At the rate I'm moving, it is going to take years for me to build up a solid book of business that would be full time. We have added a good amount of clients, but all residental and minor commerical.
Why do you feel this is the case though? And is this step you are considering merely going to cover up this issue but also add more overhead?
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Why do you feel this is the case though? And is this step you are considering merely going to cover up this issue but also add more overhead?
I don't know why. Maybe it's only being part-time that has a lot to do with it. I think an underlying issue is that there is just too many guys out there offering service at that level. It seems that everyone knows someone who is doing lawns, so it's hard to get in anywhere. Why would they hire me when they have their best friends brother-in-law who is out of work (just an example). The best clients I have are ones who came from my network, not any advertising. I have tried a little of everything. Internet, electronic billboard, door hangers, direct mail, news paper, etc. Nothing really brings in a good result for the investment. I know you all advocate going door to door, but that is really frowned upon in this area.

So instead of being a little fish in a pond swaring with little fish, I thought I would try being a big fish with just a few other fish I am bumping up against.

Don't get me wrong, the dozen clients or so I have gained in the last two years are excellent, but it's going to take me a dozen years at this rate. Also, I have capacity issues right now. I really can't take on much more work and work full time. So if I go the lawn route, I gotta land some big fish to make my mortgage
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The best clients I have are ones who came from my network, not any advertising. I have tried a little of everything. Internet, electronic billboard, door hangers, direct mail, news paper, etc. Nothing really brings in a good result for the investment. I know you all advocate going door to door, but that is really frowned upon in this area.
The way you are doing it is the best way. Marketing through your social network should always bring you the best results. Then when you are looking to expand outwards, that is when the door to door can come in handy.

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Also, I have capacity issues right now. I really can't take on much more work and work full time.
When you find yourself maxed out as far as time goes, while you are working another fulltime job, what is the plan to fit in more clients that may come in because of your new license?
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Take it from me Get the Licenses and all the insurances I'll be going on my 8th year in business and when I first started I had full time job started out mowing didn't want to get the licenses or insurance till I seen if the biz was going to be sucessful. First year in business I was turned into the city for not having a business Licenses and one of my million dollar homes i service, I was mowing one day and a rock shot out from mower and shattered a full glass screendoor well that cost me $500 bucks out of my pocket. That was it I became Licensed and Insured next day and 2nd year I made the decision that if I was ever going to grow my biz I had to give up the full timme job. I'm a firm believer that if you have the security of a full time job you will never put the effort to succeed and grow your business. Decision is yours rather or not you want to be part-time or grow into something you and your family can live the good life. Since I started business, my wife has quit work to take care of my book work, I owe no one anything, I pay cash for everything and yes quiting my full time job was scarey but I wouldnt be were i'm at today if I hadnt taken ahold of my destiny and went for it God Bless you in whatever path you choose
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Once you decided to go fulltime with the business, what kinds of things did you do to market the business. What did you find worked the best to help you grow it? Do you do more than just mowing etc?
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Once you decided to go fulltime with the business, what kinds of things did you do to market the business. What did you find worked the best to help you grow it? Do you do more than just mowing etc?
I do residential and commercial lawn service and snow removal, I don't do chemical apps, companys like chem lawn, tru green got prices so low not even worth my time or headache of all the epa paper work to mess with it. I also do window washing, power washing, holiday lighting, tree service, gutter clean out, and I do home repair. Just bought a F-550 service body truck to haul all my tools and equipment. I was spending to much time and miles having to go back to house to get things I needed so truck will eliminate all that and I'm going to also carry a little parts inventory also. As far as marketing my biz word of mouth and truck signing is all i do, I dont do phone books or flyers. I have a good network of customers that like my work and they tell others. I always ask when a customer calls how did you here about us. I like to keep it simple, I believe that if you do a good job your customers will tell a few of there friends and if you do a $hitty job they will tell all of them so my customers are my best advertisement. You want to grow ADD SERVICES , DO A GOOD JOB & DON'T LOWBALL
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