Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

Dare Read the following??


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 03-26-2010, 11:03 AM
JP Landscaping JP Landscaping is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 213
Rep Power: 5
JP Landscaping is on a distinguished road
Default Dare Read the following??

So two seasons ago I started working for a local landscaping guy. I had just graduated from college and was debating whether to keep going and get my CPA or get a job. I decided I would get a summer job and keep going to school in the fall.

My roomate at the time was working for a landscaper and said they had lost a guy and that the landscaper actually needed some help with this accounting. So I asked my roomate to get me an interview hoping to do accounting work for a couple of days and landscaping for the others. it would be an ideal situation.

I got the interview and the job. Most of the summer i worked for the guy doing landscaping and no accounting. i kept approaching him about his needing my help with it. Finally towards the end of the season he said I should go to his place and look at his stuff. in Short It was Terrible.

So I helped him all winter to get his stuff straightened out. We talked about what was going to happen the following season. I told him I could work for him or with him but I was starting my own company. At the time i wanted a lawn care company instead of landscaping. he said he would like to work with me because I was a huge help to him.

I told him he could subcontract to me or I could work for him for $20/hr including doing his accounting, being a foreman, and using my equipment. he said he would look it over. But meanwhile I would work for him for $13/hr til April and we would look at it then.

Well, the summer past and I worked for him for $13/hr the whole season while I was doing work with my company on the side. It didn't work too well with me for I worked 7 days a week from 6-8 for two straight months. I worked for him 9-5 Mon-Fri and the other time I spent with my company.

This season I told him the only way I would work with him is if he subs work to me. he wouldn't have to worry about all the paperwork or management involved with having employees. I would take care of that and he would get a percentage of the earnings.

he said he would look at it and yesterday he called me asking if I wanted to work. I told him yea. So I did a job for him and billed him last night. he told me what work we would work on today but i already had my own job to finish up today so I told him I could work on his job for half a day or he could tell me what needed to be done and I could finish it even if I had to hire someone. There were a couple of jobs he was mentioning.

He didn't respond (this was thru email). So this morning I let him know I won't be able to work because of my own stuff. he seemed a little upset. But I did tell him about 2 months ago that if he wanted me to work on jobs he needed to tell me a week in advance so i could plan and have it done in time.

He still hasn't confirmed whether he will sub work to me or not. I've waited this late to spread my fliers in the chance I would get a lot of work from him and my own. It would be too much work. But I'm going to go out and advertise for my company and get my jobs. He's just going to have get in line if he has work he wants me to do for him.

Did I mention I was a huge asset to him? well, I've been lending him $ when he's short on cashflow. I've also waited weeks to get paid when he doesn't have the cash. I've also purchased materials for him on my accounts when his accounts are full. also, I do all his accounting for like 1/4 of what he would get charged.

I want to help the guy out but this is the year I need to make serious $. Otherwise i'm better off getting an accounting job (which I don't really want to be in an office looking at paper work all year).

Just had to get some of this off my chest.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 03-26-2010, 01:49 PM
jklawncare's Avatar
jklawncare jklawncare is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Indiana
Posts: 577
Rep Power: 5
jklawncare is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
thats a really tuff situation
i think by this point id just go out and start my own
id be done waiting..
it actually seems like hes holding you back to get an edge on you but he seems like a nice enough guy to where he wouldnt do that to you since you were such a big asset
__________________
Just Kut Lawn and Landscape
"Where Service is Always in Season"
Reach for the stars so if you fall you land on a cloud.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-26-2010, 07:36 PM
jessechaveriat's Avatar
jessechaveriat jessechaveriat is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Knoxville, Tn
Posts: 72
Rep Power: 5
jessechaveriat is on a distinguished road
Default

JK is right. Its just holding you back.. Make the move and be on your own. You will be a lot happier without the added stress of wondering about this other guy. If he needs help tell him to make an appointment like everyone else.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-26-2010, 09:28 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,688
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

This sounds like one big freaking mess that is only going to get bigger.

How long has he been in business? Why is he borrowing money from you? Why doesn't he have his act together.

You have been helping him with his books, where is all his cash going? Why is he having such a difficult time with his cash flow?

This thing is going to implode.

There are too many things that are going wrong now and will most likely get worse.

I would focus on my own thing.

I'd love to hear your insight on what you have learned from this interaction because I am sure you see it from a much more clinical perspective. We could ALL learn from this.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-26-2010, 10:41 PM
JP Landscaping JP Landscaping is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 213
Rep Power: 5
JP Landscaping is on a distinguished road
Default

This guy situation is like this:

He's got 10 years of landscaping experience. This is one of those cases we talk about. He's great at landscaping but a terrible business man. For those reading this, please figure both sides before really getting into it. Make sure you know about the business and how to do business.

So he started back in 04 with a partner. The partner took care of the finances, books, etc and helped out in the field 2-3 days out of the week. The landscaper did all the estimates and day to day handling of the crew. Well, they split off in 06 and the other guy started his own landscaping business (which is one of the more successful ones now).

Landscaper decided to keep the business (corporation) but underestimated the accounting part of it. He wasn't sending in his taxes or any filings for that matter. when I got to him he had un-opened fed and state letters from like 06.

That ('08) summer I worked for him landscaping and starting in the fall to help him with his books (we are just getting the last of it straightened out). He's a real nice guy, family oriented but like i said not good with books.

Well, the reason I lent him money was because he had defaulted with most of his creditors and suppliers so he was buying all supplies on a cash basis. As we all know some customers tend to pay late but the business needs the money now. so his cashflow suffered. He helped out so I helped him out.

during the time his partner left, he was having family problems with his stepdaughter and it caused a separation between him and his wife (though you could never tell because they get along great) so he kind of just stopped caring.

Well now he has been paying the back taxes so his cashflow is slimmer than ever. And also, I figured he wasn't charging enough to begin with. He thought he had low overhead but in reality he wasn't including everything he needed to. in addition his crew was not very efficient.

So it's just a big mess and I feel bad for having to leave like this but I have to focus on me and my business if I want to make mine succeed.

What I have learned from this is:

1. Keep friendships and business separate
- I got too involved in the helping out that my business suffered.

2. Know your costs so you don't end up like this guy
3. Just because you are good at something doesn't mean you will be good at owning a business in that field

I'm going to go at it alone. if i do bad or well, it will be because of me and I'll know what i'm capable of. If it doesn't go well, then i'll get an accounting job
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-26-2010, 10:47 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,688
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Well now he has been paying the back taxes so his cashflow is slimmer than ever. And also, I figured he wasn't charging enough to begin with. He thought he had low overhead but in reality he wasn't including everything he needed to. in addition his crew was not very efficient.
When you say he thought he had a low overhead, what was he missing in his mental calculations of it versus the reality of it?

What was your view on the efficiency of his crew? What were they doing and what should they be doing?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-26-2010, 11:14 PM
JP Landscaping JP Landscaping is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 213
Rep Power: 5
JP Landscaping is on a distinguished road
Default

Well, since he operated out of his apartment and rents a garage to keep his tools in, he thought his overhead was basically his trailers, his landscape tractor, and truck. But in reality he was missing his taxes, employee expenses, and he wasn't charging for the time it took him to do estimates or the time he spent buying materials.

He gets quite a bit of work. We usually had 4 guys busy. But he was always running back and forth delivering materials to the crews when we split up and sometimes we had to wait on materials and it was wasted time. Also his employees were just slow and not trained well. If a problem came up, they always wanted to wait until the landscaper came back to tell him instead of fixing it. None of them know how to do hardscapes, like retaining walls until I came in.

It's just that without supervision the employees were not motivated enough do their best. here's another lesson. Find trustworthy employees and learn to value the good ones.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,688
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

That is very interesting!

If you could come in there as a consultant and help him fix his business, what would be the top 5 things you would have him do or change?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-28-2010, 10:28 AM
JP Landscaping JP Landscaping is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 213
Rep Power: 5
JP Landscaping is on a distinguished road
Default Top 5 advice

I think the top 5 things I would urge him to do are the following:


1. pay your taxes
2. Hire a full-time accountant/bookkeeper
3. Know your costs (figure out how much he needs to make for himself on top of his operating costs.)
4. Hire reliable employees (he has the same employee he fired twice)
5. Plan ahead- business plan ( most of the time he only plans one or two days ahead)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-28-2010, 08:45 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,688
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

With all this going on, do you think you could have gone into a partnership with him and turned this business around or would that be too much work and not worth it?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Im done.........Maybe... loooong read... XtreemGreen Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. 8 09-09-2009 10:45 AM
Interesting Read picframer General Talk 4 07-26-2009 06:46 PM
read only Accuscapes General Talk 1 01-02-2008 02:39 AM
STEVE READ THIS pnplawn General Talk 0 11-10-2007 07:25 PM
Everyone READ pnplawn Search Engine Optimization and Website Design Discussions. 4 10-31-2007 01:23 AM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
what do you "love" to...
calebmoss
07-06-2011 10:05 PM
Today 10:02 PM
by mattthelawnguy
29 8,953
Stander Vs. Zt
totalscape
Today 07:57 PM
Today 07:57 PM
by totalscape
0 18
I'm BACK!
SuperiorPower
12-16-2014 11:08 PM
Today 01:58 PM
by SuperiorPower
6 211
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 10:12 AM
Yesterday 09:45 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
189 16,646
Georgia Boys!
Chilehead
12-18-2014 10:23 PM
Yesterday 09:36 PM
by Chilehead
2 93
Employee job training...
brookline
12-15-2014 08:15 PM
Yesterday 07:48 PM
by SuperiorPower
9 315
Hello from Md
homey
12-17-2014 06:55 PM
Yesterday 06:00 PM
by homey
5 174
Repair or replace the...
lxarth
12-17-2014 05:07 PM
Yesterday 05:44 PM
by stevef1201
7 219
Has Obamacare helped or...
Steve
12-18-2014 04:37 PM
Yesterday 05:43 PM
by stevef1201
3 116
What Fertilizer to Use?
acrajchel
04-07-2014 02:56 PM
12-17-2014 01:11 PM
by Steve
23 2,982
Grass hopper mower
ExtremeLawncareServices
12-05-2013 09:51 AM
12-17-2014 09:40 AM
by SuperiorPower
34 6,136
Peco Bagger
AGPS
11-18-2014 02:20 PM
12-17-2014 09:13 AM
by SuperiorPower
15 1,331
New to Gopher Haul-from...
323k13l
12-12-2014 10:34 PM
12-15-2014 02:58 PM
by Steve
3 298
hi
creteland
12-12-2014 09:06 AM
12-15-2014 01:45 PM
by Steve
5 297
New addition to my small...
googus
12-12-2014 07:36 PM
12-15-2014 07:47 AM
by googus
4 369
Ferris IS700Z
rmccutchan
12-14-2014 01:10 AM
12-14-2014 11:41 PM
by rmccutchan
4 267
Charge what the market...
Billy Goat
12-09-2014 12:39 PM
12-14-2014 06:39 PM
by biglee
20 818
Hi from IL
steveinil
11-25-2014 02:07 PM
12-12-2014 07:18 AM
by steveinil
4 813
Utility Company Right of...
eastsidelandcare
12-11-2014 04:54 PM
12-11-2014 04:54 PM
by eastsidelandcare
0 287
leaf removal
Double J LLC
10-03-2014 05:24 PM
12-11-2014 04:50 PM
by eastsidelandcare
33 4,086
suggestions on full lawn...
Brian3137
12-10-2014 07:18 PM
12-11-2014 03:41 PM
by Steve
6 396
new to me box truck
jrayb39667
03-06-2014 11:20 PM
12-11-2014 09:43 AM
by Sprinkler Buddy
18 3,382
Hello from SW FL!!
5StarLawnscaping
12-05-2014 02:35 PM
12-10-2014 02:45 PM
by WesleySnips
7 635
Echo pb200 blower fuel...
googus
12-06-2014 09:03 PM
12-09-2014 06:35 PM
by Steve
3 487
Facebook
element009
03-23-2011 09:36 AM
12-09-2014 06:24 PM
by Steve
36 9,814
Are you prepared for the...
Steve
12-02-2014 04:13 PM
12-09-2014 06:22 PM
by Steve
7 908
Email Address Name
Just Cuts
12-07-2014 09:49 PM
12-08-2014 03:15 PM
by Steve
3 435
Inspection form
stevef1201
12-07-2014 10:38 AM
12-08-2014 03:10 PM
by Steve
1 433
Truck, Trailer,...
hawthornelawncare
12-23-2011 01:01 AM
12-08-2014 12:37 PM
by jrs.landscaping
108 34,206
Back Pack Blower
Ian Lovejoy
11-09-2014 08:41 AM
12-07-2014 06:35 PM
by stevef1201
24 1,718
Innovation by mandate
bayoubandit
11-29-2014 01:33 PM
12-06-2014 03:27 PM
by SGL1
12 982
Trying something new,...
ExtremeLawncareServices
09-21-2014 10:07 PM
12-05-2014 11:06 AM
by Steve
9 2,270
Good help is hard to find
Hanks Lawn Care Services
11-19-2014 03:27 PM
12-04-2014 01:32 PM
by stevef1201
15 1,464
How many hours is too...
Just Cuts
12-04-2014 09:00 AM
12-04-2014 01:02 PM
by Just for Cuts
6 611
Does this sound like a...
googus
12-03-2014 07:47 AM
12-04-2014 12:37 PM
by Steve
5 695
New website
Chilehead
11-20-2014 04:39 PM
12-04-2014 12:27 PM
by Steve
14 1,232
New website
SGL1
12-02-2014 10:55 PM
12-03-2014 11:17 PM
by BLC7
19 865
Websites, how long...
Dan Tanner
03-09-2014 08:29 AM
12-03-2014 11:12 PM
by SGL1
21 3,249
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 11:04 PM
12-03-2014 10:36 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
8 1,877
GPS trackers for...
Billy Goat
12-02-2014 06:09 PM
12-03-2014 07:17 PM
by Steve
8 713
My site is on fronts page
tbtigers03
11-14-2014 05:58 PM
12-03-2014 06:31 PM
by SGL1
17 1,458
Hiring Subs over Temps
Billy Goat
12-02-2014 06:26 AM
12-03-2014 01:24 PM
by Steve
3 646
Thanksgiving cards
Steve
11-10-2008 11:57 AM
12-02-2014 11:11 PM
by SGL1
11 9,534
New parking area
ExtremeLawncareServices
11-07-2014 09:47 PM
12-02-2014 02:17 PM
by jrs.landscaping
12 1,494
Pressure Washing...
WesleySnips
07-31-2014 07:13 PM
12-02-2014 08:47 AM
by SGL1
6 1,512
old contracts
bayoubandit
11-29-2014 11:10 AM
12-01-2014 11:20 AM
by Steve
3 715
Hi to you NOTHERNERS
stevef1201
11-11-2014 05:56 PM
12-01-2014 10:54 AM
by Steve
9 1,285
Lawn care truck
Steve
10-10-2009 03:40 AM
12-01-2014 10:45 AM
by Steve
32 15,192
Intuit Quickbooks...
CDLAWNCARE
11-30-2014 10:19 AM
11-30-2014 10:19 AM
by CDLAWNCARE
0 622
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 12:18 PM
11-28-2014 01:36 PM
by Just Cuts
1,196 355,828
» Popular Tags
2wd 4x4 aerocore apartment complex auger bark billy goat brushcutter blades care charge christmas collections edging employee problems equipment rental estimate foreman four wheel drive gopherhaul gravely growing a lawn care business hardscapes hills holiday husqvarna jobs john deere quik trac labor cost landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business podcast lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website lighting lighting brass outdoor lights marketing mowing mr dave mulch mulch estimate new buisness new mower ordinance past due per hour service podcast pto push versus ride running a business savannah scripts search engine optimization seo shreaded small engine repair snow sprayer starting a business toro grand stand trailer trimmer rack truck new used landscape turfgrass consulting up sell employee won't return wood
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:41 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:41 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy