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I have done some reading on using ground cornmeal as a pre emergent for weeds. Has any tried this? With everyone going green, this is a simple solution. There are also other benifits to using cormneal. If you want to check this out, do a Google search for "cornmeal for lawns".
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I have done some reading on using ground cornmeal as a pre emergent for weeds. Has any tried this? With everyone going green, this is a simple solution. There are also other benifits to using cormneal. If you want to check this out, do a Google search for "cornmeal for lawns".
I don't know about ground cornmeal but I have had good results with corn gluten meal. I had been using LiquiGold a liquid corn gluten with good results. Unfortunately the supplier I was using seems to have gotten into some trouble and has had their web site pulled. I contacted the Canadian Company that makes it and their Canadian and US suppliers today.

Unfortunately, they have not gotten back to me yet.

When I knowm I'll let you know.

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Thanks, from what I have read on the granulated corn, it is that the gluten that is the key part of it. Sounds pretty much like the liquid you were using.
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We have sprayed around 60 places this year with the Liquid gold, I buy direct from the manufacturer as we go through so much of it, works very well and very fast, here is their website http://www.environmentalfactor.com/
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Andy & Steve,

So the LiquiGold helps eliminate weeds too? Or does it just make the grass thrive?

I'm curious as to all the benefits. I want to start looking into what all I need to get a setup to apply this.

I find that a lot of my customers want some form of fertilizer and would rather have the same person doing everything as opposed to paying me to maintain the yard and paying TruGreen or Chemlawn or Scott's to treat the yard.

I want something that I could use on all my yards, like a universal product or one that only requires slight modification, no matter what kind of grass the customer has.
Would this be practical, Andy/Steve?

Does you guy's setup look anything like this?


What kind of trailer y'all have for the tank?
How many gallon water tank you have?
How many feet of hose?
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Nozzlehead,

I have read some one this recently and I came to the understanding that the actual dry product is not as affective as the liquid product. I found this quote on another lawn forum. It was posted by "bill" from ICT Organics (see link later in this post).

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with CGM the application needs to be watered in and there has to be a small drying period for the CGM to attack the root (same is true with synthetic pre-m's)
with our liquid product you do not have to water the application in
We sell our product to some folks out west where it is very dry, if they apply CGM they may come back 6 weeks later and the granules are still apparent (no rain and no humidity conditions) so it does not do its job
As far as where to get the LiquiGold, I followed the link Andy provided and according to their website, ICT Organic's, is the distributor here in the US. Here is the link to their Gluten product, "Gluten8". Steve isn't this the product you use?

Fresh Cut,
There is a bunch of info here that may be of help to you.

Good luck to both of you as I am still learning myself.
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Andy & Steve,

So the LiquiGold helps eliminate weeds too? Or does it just make the grass thrive?

I'm curious as to all the benefits. I want to start looking into what all I need to get a setup to apply this.

I find that a lot of my customers want some form of fertilizer and would rather have the same person doing everything as opposed to paying me to maintain the yard and paying TruGreen or Chemlawn or Scott's to treat the yard.

I want something that I could use on all my yards, like a universal product or one that only requires slight modification, no matter what kind of grass the customer has.
Would this be practical, Andy/Steve?

Does you guy's setup look anything like this?


What kind of trailer y'all have for the tank?
How many gallon water tank you have?
How many feet of hose?
LiquiGold (Now called Gluten8 in the US) is first, a slow release organic fertilizer (8% nitrogen) and second, a weed controler. It controls weeds by inhibiting germination. It will also stop your turf from germinating. So do not use before re-seeding. Apply after grass seeds have germinated and new grass is evident.
I don't know where you are located but here in the Southeast most of the turf grass becomes dormant duringt the winter months, but the weeds keep growing and producing seed. Most weeds are hindered when they loose direct sunlight. Growing grass shades the weeds and inhibits their growth (but not when the turf is dormant. Gluten essentially makes the seeds sterile.
Liquid organic products can be mixed and matched to cover just about every turf and condition. Fertilization, weed control, insect control, disease control and above all soil building.
 
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All Nature's Lawn liquid fertilizers are supplemented with a natural nutrient package derived from Seaweed, Humic Acids, and Molasses. What this means to you is that you are getting a soil improving fertilizer with added vitamins, bio-stimulants, and trace elements. Each product contains vitamins B-1, B-12, gibberellins, indoles, auxins as well as trace elements of boron, iron, zinc, cobalt, copper, manganese, molybdenum and sulfur. The nutrients in our liquid fertilizers are chelated, meaning they are instantly available to the plant. Our NPK sources are salt and chlorine free, which means safe for the plant and soil. In fact, all our raw materials used in our liquid fertilizers are classed as food grade materials.

Both my tow behind sprayers have a spraying boom. The Fimco sprays an 80 inch swath and the AgraFab a 108 inch swath. 6-1/2 to 9 feet per pass. Both have a spot sprayer with about 10 feet of hose.

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LiquiGold (Now called Gluten8 in the US) is first, a slow release organic fertilizer (8% nitrogen) and second, a weed controler. It controls weeds by inhibiting germination. It will also stop your turf from germinating. So do not use before re-seeding. Apply after grass seeds have germinated and new grass is evident.
I don't know where you are located but here in the Southeast most of the turf grass becomes dormant duringt the winter months, but the weeds keep growing and producing seed. Most weeds are hindered when they loose direct sunlight. Growing grass shades the weeds and inhibits their growth (but not when the turf is dormant. Gluten essentially makes the seeds sterile.
Liquid organic products can be mixed and matched to cover just about every turf and condition. Fertilization, weed control, insect control, disease control and above all soil building.
 
Bio-Enhanced Liquid Fertilizers
All Nature's Lawn liquid fertilizers are supplemented with a natural nutrient package derived from Seaweed, Humic Acids, and Molasses. What this means to you is that you are getting a soil improving fertilizer with added vitamins, bio-stimulants, and trace elements. Each product contains vitamins B-1, B-12, gibberellins, indoles, auxins as well as trace elements of boron, iron, zinc, cobalt, copper, manganese, molybdenum and sulfur. The nutrients in our liquid fertilizers are chelated, meaning they are instantly available to the plant. Our NPK sources are salt and chlorine free, which means safe for the plant and soil. In fact, all our raw materials used in our liquid fertilizers are classed as food grade materials.

Both my tow behind sprayers have a spraying boom. The Fimco sprays an 80 inch swath and the AgraFab a 108 inch swath. 6-1/2 to 9 feet per pass. Both have a spot sprayer with about 10 feet of hose.

Steve
Steve, those tow behind mowers look great, but I don't have a zero turn just yet. I can't afford one right now. All I have is a walk-behind. What
What would you suggest for my setup? What are some other options as far as spraying goes?

Also, I'm kinda confused on the cornmeal as pre-emergent part. Is LiquiGold a kind of pre-emergent? Or can it be used instead of pre-emergent?

I was gonna use pre-emergent on some of my customers yards this January and then spray them with the organic LiquiGold early spring, that would give me time to get the equipment I need to apply it. Does this not make sense?

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Steve, those tow behind mowers look great, but I don't have a zero turn just yet. I can't afford one right now. All I have is a walk-behind. What
What would you suggest for my setup? What are some other options as far as spraying goes?

Also, I'm kinda confused on the cornmeal as pre-emergent part. Is LiquiGold a kind of pre-emergent? Or can it be used instead of pre-emergent?

I was gonna use pre-emergent on some of my customers yards this January and then spray them with the organic LiquiGold early spring, that would give me time to get the equipment I need to apply it. Does this not make sense?

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I do not have a ZTR. I have 3 lawn tractors, 2 with mowing decks and one that has had the mowing deck removed. I use the one with the deck removed to tow the sprayer and other equipment such a lawn trailer.

You can get a hose end sprayer al Lowe's or practically any hardware store. You fill the hose end sprayer with the concentrated solution (or solutions because you can mix different liquid products and apply them simultaneously). They are about $10.00 and they are easy to use. I use the Ortho model for areas I can't get my tractor into such as gated back yards where the gate is too small.

LiquiGold (how called Gluten8) is a pre-emergent weed control product. It is also a fertilizer but it only contains 8-9% nitrogen which is great for the turfs that require less nitrogen such as Centipede.

I will use Aerify and Natures magic in the early spring and Gluten8 in January. Grass has a dormant season but weeds don't. I would use Gluten8 again at the end of June. I try to sell Nature's Magic treatment every 4-5 weeks during the growing season.

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Steve, a hose end sprayer like this....



What about people that don't have a hose or don't want me using their hose?

From what I read about Gluten-8, it has a 1:3 mix ratio (1 quart Gluten-8 to 3 quarts of water), how would I apply that with the hose end sprayer? If I put the mixed solution in the sprayer wouldn't it become more diluted spraying it with more water?

I'm looking to expand and I feel like this is something that I can do, I'm just trying to see how I can fit it in my budget as well as my setup.
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