Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Just starting your lawn care or landscaping business? > Community Assistance

Community Assistance Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.

Bad Idea?


Community Assistance

Community questions, comments, and suggestions. Problems posting? Email me.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #11  
Old 07-13-2010, 04:35 AM
picframer's Avatar
picframer picframer is offline
Andy
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,885
Rep Power: 9
picframer will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Andy,

Do you feel that Scott needs to find services that will produce more profit per hour than what he is currently doing?

Also, when one is at this point where they are super busy but aren't making enough money to grow, are they not charging enough for the services they offer? And if they are not charging enough but the market won't bare any rise in cost, does this then go back to finding other services that make more profit per hour than he is currently offering?
It's what we did and man did it ever work, mowing is low on the pole for us however it's a way in the door, Organic Sprays, Pressure Washing are two classic examples, there is massive profit margins in both plus it's another way to get in the door, out spraying this weekend I picked up 5 pressure washing accounts/job.

If you are super busy and not making money, then there is a serious issue, could be rates, staff training, poor planned route schedules, wrong equipment for the job at hand etc.

If the market will not bear the cost then find a niche where you can make the profit, it's not hard, then you grow the company with part of those profits to expand your service offering.

Our company is now a one stop shop, almost anything a homeowner needs we can do and we offer.

I have 8 crews, some are cross trained and what I found key is find services that you can do when it rains for example, pressure was or spray lawns etc.

You have to keep your eyes open while at a clients or driving by a place, it's how I grew this company and we currently have 119 jobs on the books to do and getting 6 to 14 inquiries a day. If we pay attention, we will make money not only this business but any business.....I should write a book Another key is low pressure sales, I tell clients first thing, not that I am trying to get more money from you but I noticed.........we could do/fix that for you, it would cost $XXXX.XX, no pressure but if you are interested give me a shout. Just those words seems to get me over 90% of the jobs, you see the client see's this approach as a non threat as many, including myself, do not really care for sales type people that much out just to land the job, a have a low pressure, friendship type approach and it works and works well.
__________________
Andy
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #12  
Old 07-13-2010, 01:30 PM
robgee05 robgee05 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: newfield nj
Posts: 95
Rep Power: 5
robgee05 is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Quote:
Originally Posted by CHEESE2009 View Post
Sorry my post before was kind of rushed.

I'm going through "growing pains" with the business.

I have been declining all sorts of business because I would be responsible for too many accounts, and hiring help can be risky.


The choices are

a) Hire help, wait for more lawns
b) wait for more lawns, hire help
c) invest with this new job I've been offered, hire help, wait for more lawns

A) If I hire help before I get enough lawns, I'd be throwing money away.

B) If I wait for more lawns BEFORE I hire, I'd have to do a lot of work myself before hiring a new helper can be justified. This means the quality of my work would go down, as I will be personally overbooked & rushed.

C) With this new job, I would be able to hire a few guys without any risk - no money leaves the business. My time is obviously more strict, though the money can pay people to take care of my stresses. I'll be busting my arse, but the aftermath should be worth it.

Eventually the business will grow big enough I can hop back into it, drop the other job & just profit profit profit - with an iron fist!

I can just imagine, paying for all my new equipment, repairs, etc through this job...

Why didn't I ever think of this before?!?!

Anyone have any experience balancing two jobs?



NOTE:

It's not like I can perform any outdoors work during the evening anyway - so this job is a bonus. ... it's not like I need sleep or anything...
As long as you don't let the job take president over things you could be doing to help your business at night. (the books, marketing, estimates, SLEEP LOL) I also agree with JP on the whole add new services IDEA-Pressure washing, painting, pavers etc. If your already making full use of daylight it could be a problem. But if you can up sell enough extra services it could pay for the employees and new equipment.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-13-2010, 01:47 PM
robgee05 robgee05 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: newfield nj
Posts: 95
Rep Power: 5
robgee05 is on a distinguished road
Default

The lawns I currently maintain take up all of my time - I don't take on any more garden jobs, hedge trimming jobs, gutter jobs, etc.

These are higher margin jobs that you need to find a way to service. GL Man
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-13-2010, 07:41 PM
CHEESE2009's Avatar
CHEESE2009 CHEESE2009 is offline
Dr. Scott - Ruler of the Underworld
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland, Grindelwald
Age: 73
Posts: 4,475
Rep Power: 10
CHEESE2009 is on a distinguished road
Default

This has nothing to do with up-sells.

I offer what I can, with what time I have. Offering other services doesn't give me more time, not in this world. I need more time in order to offer more services or take on new business.

I'm not saying I need to bid better, no. My income has been doing great - though in business - it can ALWAYS improve, though at this point I am unable to do it alone.

I can fund a crew to do the labor, though in reality that doesn't give me enough time to grow other operations as managing crew would then be added to my to-do list.

Basically, I need someone to manage my lawns so I can take on more work myself - that's what this is all about. Also, I don't want to take money out of my business when it's possible for me to pay for expenses with an evening job. The company can afford it, but it doesn't have to. I want to keep putting money into the business until there are at least 2 SOLID crews.

So when I'm finished with my lawns, I head to my night job at 5PM-12AM. Considering I'm up till 3AM every morning anyway, I don't see a major problem.

It still has the growth potential because I will be generating more money than "assistants/crew" are worth in the lawn maintenance field with money to spare.

In other words, I make XXX$ - I pay only XX$ on helpers. Basically, I am becoming the customer of my business.

HOW?

I make money with my night job to hire more of MY OWN CREW to manage XXX lawns. All I'm doing is paying my guys, while the real customers are continuously funding the business - the business that pays me for doing now even less work!

If I pay someone to run a few aspects of the business that in return pays me, I'll be doing the right thing! I'll be working a regular job with the added benefit of a self sufficient company generating my real income. When I'm ready, I'll jump back in full time (breeze) & start ANOTHER crew (funded 100%) in which I will manage - & repeat the process until I can retire young.

All I'm doing is speeding up the process, & using a tactic all of us have used.

We have all worked for other jobs, some of you worked at McDonalds before you started your business - why stop if you don't have to, especially when you have past the point of purchasing start up equipment - consider it a new investment HIRE CREW. Make more than you pay out & you'll profit profit profit....

Working 2 jobs to invest in starting a company = difficult

Working 2 jobs actually now 1 1/3 when someone else is managing your business = Smart, steady. Your income is basically three times larger, and you do less work give or take.


So I'm looking to make a self sufficient business the quick way, take my evenings away if it means more business income.

Example #13453959
For every two-thousand dollars I make with the new job;
Breeze: $1,500.00
Crew: $500.00

Time spent working at new job;
140 hours

Timer spent working at Breeze;
Hardly anything!

Income;
Humongous!


Ok.. I'm going to grab a beer. lol...





I need someone who can do the following;

Answer phone calls
Solve various issues within the 'lawn maintenance' field of the company
Give estimates
Schedule/follow routes
Lead/manage a crew
Maintain Equipment (clean out)
Refill on Gas/Oil
Maintain Lawns Efficiently
Load & Unload Trailer
Drive with a trailer
Collect Payments

and the list goes on....

Now doesn't that seem like a dream?

I have so many cell phones ending with '5590' I'd like to be able to have my customers call a specific number for every single one of their needs.

Last edited by CHEESE2009; 07-13-2010 at 07:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-13-2010, 11:21 PM
JP Landscaping JP Landscaping is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Nebraska
Posts: 213
Rep Power: 5
JP Landscaping is on a distinguished road
Default

From what I see you have reached your capacity as a 1 man crew. the next step would be to hire someone to work along with you to do these accounts. You won't be able to grow your business unless you hire workers because you can't take on more work by yourself.

So the problem here seems to be hiring the right people. Stay away from friends and family unless they know for that time, they are your employees and are expected to perform.

Aother option is: because you are at your capacity, you can start charging more for your services or you can pick the types of jobs that have the higher profit margin and focus on those. When you get a call for a new lawn client, take it only if the profit margin on that one is higher than the lowest paying customer. This way you drop you low earners and get higher paying jobs.

Look at your accounting very carefully. If your business is not making enough money to set aside for growth and you have to find another job to pay for repairs and maitenance for the business, then the business is not doing well. If you are fully booked or overbooked, your business should be making enough money. If not, then maybe growth wasn't accounted for in your overhead and you are not charging enough.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
an idea Lukacs Property Maintenance Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review! 3 11-05-2008 02:36 PM
Ad idea! VPS Lawn Care Lawn Care Marketing & Post your marketing material for review! 10 08-05-2008 12:46 PM
Reel Push mower Lawn care... good idea, bad idea alehandros_lilbreaker Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation 17 04-19-2008 04:58 PM
Web TV idea Steve General Business Discussions 7 03-17-2006 02:18 PM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
Yesterday 10:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
77 4,361
new trailer help
mattthelawnguy
07-11-2014 08:21 PM
Yesterday 07:17 PM
by SGL1
11 356
Got my first lawn job...
SGL1
06-11-2014 09:19 PM
Yesterday 07:09 PM
by SGL1
29 1,163
Left handed edging with...
SGL1
07-23-2014 08:59 PM
Yesterday 07:05 PM
by SGL1
4 103
Need help determining...
Jbss861
07-20-2014 02:33 PM
Yesterday 01:11 PM
by Steve
13 307
Customer letters
kslawn
07-23-2014 06:17 AM
Yesterday 12:19 PM
by Steve
3 107
Should I ?
googus
07-22-2014 04:06 PM
Yesterday 12:10 PM
by Steve
4 149
My First Apartment...
SSLCtn
05-26-2014 10:17 PM
Yesterday 06:46 AM
by kslawn
15 857
Crop Rotation Techniques...
eastsidelandcare
07-17-2014 03:47 PM
Yesterday 06:38 AM
by kslawn
3 171
Selling lawns like...
eastsidelandcare
07-17-2014 03:51 PM
Yesterday 06:28 AM
by kslawn
3 209
Scag new "Eliminator"......
ExtremeLawncareServices
07-20-2014 10:45 AM
07-23-2014 05:37 PM
by Just for Cuts
9 239
need professional advice...
Fiddlers_green
07-20-2014 07:21 PM
07-23-2014 12:42 PM
by Steve
3 159
new to me box truck
jrayb39667
03-06-2014 10:20 PM
07-23-2014 12:40 PM
by Steve
15 1,340
Lawn Service back in...
LawnCareMan280
07-18-2014 09:00 PM
07-23-2014 11:48 AM
by Steve
4 199
Overspray?
stevef1201
07-21-2014 04:20 PM
07-23-2014 11:39 AM
by Steve
3 104
Hello Everyone! Newbie...
SLKlawn
07-17-2014 06:22 PM
07-22-2014 01:53 PM
by Steve
6 234
Proper height for lawn
rob lederhilger
05-26-2014 08:01 AM
07-21-2014 02:53 PM
by LawnDoctor
9 623
Blade sharpener
Just for Cuts
07-04-2014 12:31 PM
07-21-2014 01:48 PM
by Steve
9 459
What's my business worth?
Chaz
07-16-2014 01:35 PM
07-21-2014 01:45 PM
by Steve
4 240
Single tree, mow customer
WesleySnips
06-27-2014 10:12 AM
07-21-2014 01:04 PM
by Steve
12 516
1.5 Acre Jungle
WesleySnips
07-15-2014 05:57 PM
07-20-2014 11:31 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
21 553
Gopher schedule software
Ray
07-18-2014 04:13 PM
07-18-2014 04:13 PM
by Ray
0 131
2006 Chevy fuel pump...
KevinsLawns
07-17-2014 08:39 PM
07-18-2014 11:51 AM
by Steve
1 136
Halfway point of year!
Steve
07-01-2014 12:08 PM
07-18-2014 11:38 AM
by Steve
14 675
I got told to leave and...
gwilson98
06-16-2014 02:07 PM
07-17-2014 11:43 AM
by Steve
16 993
Hey guys this is the...
prmenter@gmail.com
07-07-2014 08:23 PM
07-16-2014 08:10 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
28 726
Mowing the hills
prmenter@gmail.com
07-08-2014 12:22 PM
07-16-2014 05:00 PM
by Just for Cuts
18 658
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
07-15-2014 05:38 PM
by icon2000
1,184 318,839
need some help geting...
dalvan0
07-13-2014 09:28 PM
07-15-2014 11:56 AM
by Steve
5 227
Classified Ad Template...
bcfb
06-05-2013 02:40 AM
07-15-2014 11:16 AM
by Steve
15 3,670
Husqvarna pz 60
CDLAWNCARE
07-06-2014 06:50 PM
07-15-2014 08:53 AM
by kslawn
10 414
Lowballers
Chaz
07-11-2014 03:55 PM
07-14-2014 12:27 PM
by Steve
5 334
My new side job
Sprinkler Buddy
05-10-2014 05:23 AM
07-14-2014 12:15 PM
by Steve
10 800
Illegal spraying
GoGreenerKS
07-04-2014 09:11 AM
07-13-2014 10:36 PM
by GoGreenerKS
10 519
New Mower and Trailer
Chaz
06-25-2014 12:04 PM
07-13-2014 06:25 PM
by SGL1
7 528
What Fertilizer to Use?
acrajchel
04-07-2014 01:56 PM
07-12-2014 07:36 PM
by SGL1
21 1,850
Fuel and fuel additives
SGL1
07-06-2014 10:23 AM
07-11-2014 07:53 PM
by SGL1
15 518
Questions for a patchy...
jumcgee
07-09-2014 08:42 AM
07-11-2014 12:34 PM
by Steve
1 189
toro proline blades wont...
boog
06-25-2014 06:26 PM
07-11-2014 05:28 AM
by kslawn
18 623
Contents of Marketing to...
prmenter@gmail.com
07-09-2014 05:25 PM
07-10-2014 03:23 PM
by Steve
3 279
Shindaiwa
CLB454
05-13-2014 09:04 PM
07-10-2014 03:04 PM
by Steve
14 757
Starting New in FL
mmcuttrim
08-06-2010 09:22 AM
07-10-2014 02:44 PM
by Steve
48 11,228
Bid help 45 on acre...
Priggan
06-26-2014 12:56 PM
07-09-2014 08:38 AM
by kslawn
7 501
need help bidding fence...
veteranslawncaresystems
07-03-2014 10:33 AM
07-08-2014 12:00 PM
by Steve
5 360
Trimmer or Knife?
gwilson98
07-04-2014 09:56 PM
07-07-2014 02:41 PM
by Steve
6 321
Started a New Solar Lawn...
Solar Lawn Care
06-08-2013 01:40 AM
07-07-2014 01:55 PM
by Steve
37 7,399
New Canadian Member
coppervalley
07-04-2014 02:15 PM
07-07-2014 01:12 PM
by Steve
1 225
Happy Independance...
stevef1201
07-04-2014 07:05 AM
07-07-2014 01:01 PM
by Steve
2 223
Echo PE 266 edger
stevef1201
07-01-2014 01:28 PM
07-07-2014 12:47 PM
by Steve
4 303
30 Inch Push Mowers Pros...
Billy Goat
06-27-2013 08:07 PM
07-06-2014 01:50 PM
by SGL1
21 5,215
» Popular Tags
4wd advertisement article marketing auger bid butterfly gardens charge christmas lighting christmas light service courtesy call customers decorating escrow estimate exmark ferris first truck fundraiser gopherhaul grass gravely gravely 34" zero turn hills holiday holiday decorating holiday lighting how much to charge introduction john deere quik trac lawn lawn care lawn care business book lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website leaf lighting marketing mow mulch new buisness new mower organize outdoor environments payment podcast property management company push versus ride redmax reo scag schedule scripts seo snow starting a business starting a lawn care business start up lawn care business steve stihl theft toro toro grand stand trailer turfgrass consulting walker winter zero turn
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:44 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:44 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy