Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > General Business Discussions

General Business Discussions A place to talk about general business discussions.

Smaller is better?


General Business Discussions

A place to talk about general business discussions.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #11  
Old 08-03-2006, 09:59 PM
Howard Roark
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (Team Gopher @ Aug. 03 2006,7:23)]Very good points Howard,

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] ]but there is a fine line in this industry between merely pushing a lawnmower (i.e. having a job) to really building a business and making a profit.
What's your view on the % of LCOs who are content with "merely pushing a lawnmower" vs. "really building a business and making a profit"?
I would honestly say, that in all my travels and LCO's I have talked with, that 98% of them will be pushing mowers and entirely ok with that until they sell or quit the business.

It is very rare to find people who think outside that box we keep mentioning and are willing to attempt to make those things happen. A lot of it comes down to fear, as in those people aren't afraid to fail. How about taking $1000 of your profits and going with an advertising idea you had without thinking twice? Or using a current one that's been working, and tripling or more the money you put into it, based on statistics of it's success before hand.
It can be very similar to a poker tournament. If you want to win big, you need to bet big. But doing this aimlessly without the use of your mind is foolish. Most people don't like straying from their comfort zones, and their results will always match that.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #12  
Old 08-04-2006, 10:14 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,537
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
How much of it also comes down to a desire to be left alone? To not want employees because they don't want the hassle. They just want to do what they can by themselves.
How much of it is an escape from a boss versus a desire to run a business?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-06-2006, 09:58 PM
Howard Roark
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] (Team Gopher @ Aug. 04 2006,11:14)]How much of it also comes down to a desire to be left alone? To not want employees because they don't want the hassle. They just want to do what they can by themselves.
How much of it is an escape from a boss versus a desire to run a business?
Great point Gopher,

Perhaps that's good enough for most people. Just simply making enough and not dealing with a boss. I can most definitely understand that.

But far too often a great deal are the same people on forums claiming it's impossible to do more than they've done, and any idea that they haven't thought of that works is simply a lie.

Not all, but this is just my experience. It's human behavior to envy what others have that we want.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-07-2006, 01:19 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,537
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by [b
Quote[/b] ]claiming it's impossible to do more than they've done, and any idea that they haven't thought of that works is simply a lie
This possibly could also could be seen, as a defense mechanism to allow us to believe we've done everything we could when in fact there is a lot more we could do.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-07-2006, 11:17 PM
tiedeman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I know that I could do more, heck I have turned away work after work because I don't want to get tied down right now with too many things. Probably my largest thing that is holding me back right now from growing any bigger is finanical situation. See, I dug myself into a deep hole about 5 years ago with debt and the business, and I am still to this day digging myself out of it. I seriously can not grow very fast because I do not have the capital to support the growth. Until I get my finanical situations in order, my growth will be crawling.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-08-2006, 02:40 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,537
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

I think you are doing the right thing by getting out of that hole.

It's so easy to spend money and it can be a lot harder to make it.

How often do we all see new businesses who buy way more equipment or other things than they need to help them feel like they are successful?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-08-2006, 06:00 PM
tiedeman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I think the worst that I see is when companies buy tons of equipment, and then all it does is sit there in the shop. I know one company in particular that had 3 ZTR's just sitting in the shop collecting dust. I just couldn't believe it. I finally asked him, why did all of the mowers just sit there. And he couldn't give me an answer.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,537
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

It makes you wonder how often we all think if we buy the equipment, the jobs will follow.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 08-09-2006, 02:26 PM
tiedeman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I did it last year: I bought a brand new aeration and overseeder. The overseeder I only used about 5 times, and the aerator maybe 8 times. Complete waste of money.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 08-12-2006, 09:27 PM
UnitedEnvironment.com
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I think, this highly depends on the person. for example, my father to this day maintains 80 houses per week, with 3 guys under his employment, and he does some kind of plant install job just about each weekend. He is in his mid forties and thats how big his business has always been. He doesnt want to grow any larger, he is living comfortably and thats enough for him. Then theres me, I currently have only 24 maintenance accounts, however 3 are commercial and take a day and a half to complete. I have two guys running the maintenance for me, while I along with a team that ranges from 3 to 12 guys handle construction.
Also, in the spring there is a strong possibility that i will be picking up a 600+ acre retirement community, which will mean a heck of a lot more employees.

Thats just landscaping,
then there is the film production side business I have which consists of
a screenplay writer
a director
a video editor
2 camera men
a web editor
and a graphic designer
technically more, because the director and two lead camera men have a small team for lighting and sound as well, but they are not paid by me.

Then the actors, JJ of the landscaper, who has actually been away for college for a while
Wayne and Mike of Fit In 6, plus the 23 other challengers on the show

and then our movie in Production, Ratred: The Following
which has a cast list of over 100.

I love biting off way more than I can chew, and ill be the first one to say, some things suffer when you branch out to far, I mean my landscape business is pretty much stabile as of now. but add that new contract and it might go haywire.

By creating this fit in 6 show and filming Ratred, The landscaper has been a tad dormant for a while. We have plans for a list of new episodes, however, Ratred has a budget from a production company, and fit in 6 is being paid for by Anytime Fitness, so those dont come out of my pocket, The Landscaper does. And currently my money has to go to saving for new (well used, but additions to my current arsenal) machines and trucks that i will have to purchase if i get the account as planned.

For some there is no such thing as too big, im one of those people.

I hope that by 2008 I wont have to step foot on a lawn to cut grass again. I want to switch straight to film. I plan on Having my main manager of Environmental Design take over as the leader of the company and I will simply take a nice percent of the income.

Honestly, Landscaping is beginning to bore me, and now that I have started making this film, I am completely engulfed by the process. Im in love, and i havent felt this way about work in years. Its all so new and creative, and constantly differnt. Each day is something totally new and crazy. Were subcontracting out some of the affects such as molding props to a company I have known for a long time, and they are bringing in these props that are incredible. Making a movie, to me is the ultimate experience in creation. I know what i want to be when I grow up
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Got my first lawn job...
SGL1
06-11-2014 09:19 PM
Today 09:53 AM
by Max Wagner
30 2,513
Gie-review / What's new...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-25-2014 09:19 AM
Today 09:30 AM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
7 461
Lawn Care business...
crieg122
10-23-2014 01:23 PM
Today 05:54 AM
by ringahding1
16 734
Business Name
sanchez5
10-28-2014 11:55 PM
Today 05:51 AM
by ringahding1
10 289
"Price...
Mr. Mow
Yesterday 03:21 PM
Today 05:48 AM
by ringahding1
3 137
Help a brother...
tbtigers03
09-28-2014 11:41 AM
Today 05:41 AM
by ringahding1
15 1,939
Client won't pay...
WesleySnips
Yesterday 02:53 PM
Yesterday 08:21 PM
by SGlawncare
6 150
Hi Steve From West...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:59 PM
Yesterday 03:09 PM
by Mr. Mow
4 560
Pavers
crieg122
10-28-2014 02:49 PM
Yesterday 02:09 PM
by Steve
5 242
Difference between lawn...
sanchez5
10-29-2014 04:20 PM
Yesterday 02:08 PM
by Steve
2 179
My Newest Toy (B.P....
Dan Tanner
10-23-2014 05:50 PM
10-29-2014 12:26 PM
by Steve
6 536
West cost lawn prices
SGlawncare
10-09-2014 09:51 PM
10-28-2014 11:08 PM
by SGlawncare
4 893
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
10-28-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
1,193 341,103
Business Cards
crieg122
10-25-2014 12:03 PM
10-28-2014 02:37 PM
by crieg122
4 408
So how do you guys...
Mr. Mow
10-26-2014 07:55 AM
10-28-2014 04:56 AM
by Billy Goat
2 349
Pressure Washing Like a...
TNTurf
08-01-2014 11:47 PM
10-27-2014 10:36 PM
by SGlawncare
12 1,263
new to the forum
madmedic8575
10-24-2014 02:52 PM
10-27-2014 12:14 PM
by Steve
1 363
Dealing With Gas Can...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:41 PM
10-26-2014 10:59 AM
by stevef1201
13 729
Leaf removal
madmedic8575
10-24-2014 04:14 PM
10-26-2014 07:45 AM
by Mr. Mow
5 494
raking leaves ?
robert8509
10-22-2014 09:19 PM
10-25-2014 12:09 PM
by biglee
10 633
Leaf Box & Loader Set...
ringahding1
10-21-2014 06:20 AM
10-25-2014 11:46 AM
by crieg122
6 626
hey everyone
robert8509
10-22-2014 08:16 PM
10-24-2014 11:07 PM
by robert8509
7 529
12 Years in Business!
Chilehead
10-23-2014 08:07 AM
10-23-2014 11:08 PM
by Chilehead
2 448
Cheapskate Landlord...
Mr. Mow
10-20-2014 06:33 AM
10-23-2014 05:55 PM
by biglee
13 782
Hi from SoCal
Jmoney
10-23-2014 11:29 AM
10-23-2014 12:51 PM
by Steve
1 410
Workmans compensation...
CDLAWNCARE
10-15-2014 08:05 AM
10-23-2014 12:33 PM
by Steve
5 878
Pda
stevef1201
10-18-2014 02:05 PM
10-23-2014 06:12 AM
by ringahding1
4 706
Hello, from TEXAS
sanchez5
10-17-2014 09:56 PM
10-22-2014 01:27 PM
by Steve
6 771
Organic Lawn Care...
NHray
10-17-2014 06:05 PM
10-22-2014 01:23 PM
by Steve
3 736
first year update
cmdlawncare
08-12-2014 05:41 PM
10-22-2014 07:47 AM
by ringahding1
4 1,726
What parts do you carry...
Just for Cuts
10-17-2014 09:08 AM
10-21-2014 01:36 PM
by Mr. Mow
16 1,017
Jungle to Beautiful
stevef1201
10-17-2014 09:54 AM
10-21-2014 01:26 PM
by stevef1201
11 875
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
10-21-2014 01:19 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
158 11,996
Sunny Beach Tennis...
SGL1
10-19-2014 11:24 PM
10-21-2014 01:04 PM
by SGL1
4 604
Have you ever had to...
SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014 02:41 PM
10-20-2014 08:34 PM
by biglee
10 2,205
Look out Bob Villa -...
Mr Dave
09-30-2014 10:06 AM
10-20-2014 05:42 PM
by SGL1
7 1,701
how to fi d commercial...
mchampion319
10-19-2014 09:50 PM
10-20-2014 04:41 PM
by Steve
1 578
Hello From Tennessee
mrmann901
10-17-2014 10:02 PM
10-20-2014 04:24 PM
by Steve
1 645
questions on order to...
jack2048
10-13-2014 11:15 AM
10-20-2014 03:27 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 1,098
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
10-20-2014 02:14 PM
by Steve
14 2,634
Cement mixer
KevinsLawns
10-15-2014 08:03 PM
10-20-2014 02:11 PM
by Steve
7 829
Hello ! New guy Rob here
RWorthley1
10-17-2014 04:05 PM
10-20-2014 02:09 PM
by Steve
1 678
Snow Blowing
gwilson98
10-12-2014 02:21 PM
10-17-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
6 1,022
Spreading Weeds?
WesleySnips
07-27-2014 09:46 PM
10-17-2014 07:49 AM
by SGL1
6 1,318
Grasswhoopins.com Anyone...
GRASS WHOOPINS
06-21-2011 11:38 PM
10-16-2014 01:30 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
42 9,734
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 10:04 PM
10-15-2014 09:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
6 1,035
Do you find weed eating...
chuck2s
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
by chuck2s
0 758
Incorporating &...
WesleySnips
10-01-2014 09:39 PM
10-15-2014 01:37 PM
by kslawn
20 1,896
Falling into business
stellarmowing
09-28-2014 04:35 PM
10-15-2014 05:57 AM
by ringahding1
8 1,882
Apartment Complex and...
lxarth
06-22-2011 01:10 PM
10-14-2014 06:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
42 10,019
» Popular Tags
4wd aerocore apartment bid apartment lawn care estimate applying article marketing bid billy goat brushcutter blades bush charge collections subcontractor decorating deliquentaccounts ditches employee problems equipment rental estimate exmark ferris first truck foreman georgia gopherhaul gravely growing a lawn care business honda how much to charge husqvarna hydraulic installation introduction landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website marketing mechanic monthly mulch mulch price new business new mower ordinance podcast reo running a business scag scag v-ride search engine optimization seo shreaded snow snow plowing starting a business start up lawn care business steep lawns steve stihl theft of services toro trailer truck new used landscape walker won't return
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:21 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:21 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy