Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

grass growing out of control


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 08-08-2009, 09:50 AM
tomcat172002
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default grass growing out of control

I have a customer that I picked up last year. I mulched there lawn last year edged, whipped, and blew no problems. This year the owner says he is unhappy with some of the fertilizing companies so he is going to do it himself, OK. He had mulch put in this year, so they told me to bag so I don't blow grass in the beds. Alright I see his point there. He waters his lawn every day and must fertilzer just about every month.

His lawn is growing way out of control, like I have never seen before. I cut lawns once a week and this lawn is taking me way too long to cut now. Every pass I have to stop and bag the clippings. So I tried to cut at 4 1/4 inches then re-cut at 3-3/4 inches. Well now I am doing twice the work. I cannot tell them don't water and fertilzer your lawn so much, its too much work for me? For doing twice the work, should I charge twice the amount $35; now I charge $70? Bagging is slowing me down as well. I could cut twice a week. I am not sure what to do, what do you guys think?
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 08-08-2009, 10:45 AM
mark123's Avatar
mark123 mark123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Pennsyltucky
Posts: 1,402
Rep Power: 7
mark123 is on a distinguished road
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Bagging the clippings will strip the nutrients out so if you keep doing it, it will eventually slow it down.

I'd scalp it down to 1/2" and bag it but then you'd probably lose the customer.

Also, watering every day is detrimental to the lawn, he shouldn't be doing that. You may want to ask him to switch to a fertilizer with slow-release or water insoluble nitrogen. Surge growth caused by quick release fertilizer is also detrimental to the lawn.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-08-2009, 05:53 PM
CHEESE2009's Avatar
CHEESE2009 CHEESE2009 is offline
Dr. Scott - Ruler of the Underworld
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Switzerland, Grindelwald
Age: 73
Posts: 4,475
Rep Power: 10
CHEESE2009 is on a distinguished road
Default

Hmmm. I have the same problem with 2 customers.

One is using a product that is now illegal, which is fine, it works compared to the crap we buy now.

& the other just went crazy with nitrogen. It grows crazy in patches & looks horrid.

I would raise my wheels every time I pass. Eventually you will come across a good day when it hasn't grown so much. On that good day, cut it short. Hopefully you will be able to keep up with it.

I cut at the regular height, my competition cuts at "1" and basically has nothing to do the next week because the grass is always short.

It's a great idea if you can manage it, but I believe it's lazy & reckless.

Some grass you just can't cut short, basically, raise your wheels by 1 if your mower is having a hard time. Keep it at that setting all season round.

Your customer might say something, but just tell him,

"Your lawn is original, to cut it shorter, I recommend 2 mowings per week. Unfortunately the price would go up, so once a week is all I can offer at the height my mower is set to."

You could always mow him twice a week, & deduct mowings in the later season when the grass doesn't grow.... & we basically make free money
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-08-2009, 10:36 PM
turfmaster's Avatar
turfmaster turfmaster is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Midwest
Posts: 366
Rep Power: 6
turfmaster is on a distinguished road
Default

First of all I would charge him at least 20% more for bagging. Mark is right too much water and nitrogen is not good for his lawn eventually over watering and over fertilization will catch up to him.

I wouldn't scalp his lawn either because that will damage the grass and look like crap as well.
I would explain to him in a nice way your dillema for servicing his yard. Either he backs off on the water and fertilizer or you have to charge him for a double cut
or come twice a week. If he balks at that then he is not a customer that I would want. Remember your time is money!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-09-2009, 03:54 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,501
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

What kind of mower are you using on this property?

I was thinking of a bunch of different ways to possibly handle this.

Can you use a mulching blade?
Or
Can you cut it without bagging, taking care not to blow clippings into the beds?

If not and it's taking you a lot longer I would think you are going to have to charge accordingly or this lawn will be unprofitable.

Maybe you could talk to the customer and tell him that it is taking you twice the time now to bag it so you can either charge him more or simply not bag it.

If the property is unprofitable, it's unprofitable and you either have to charge more, provide less of a service or drop the customer.

What are your thoughts on this?
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-09-2009, 07:55 AM
tomcat172002
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I use a 48inch Scag Freedom Z. (It's a riding mower.) I have tried the mulching blades but I still blow grass into the beds. Scag came out with a Operater Controled discharge Chute. O.C.D.C. . From what I can see it looks like just what I need but its not out yet for the Freedom Z. I think if I cut twice a week I would only have to cut once. It wouldn't take me as long and I would double my revenue. That way I don't want to have to change my price in the middle of the season and bagging wouldn't be too bad. It would be and extra trip but it would almost be like picking up another customer. I know these people can afford it, when I started out it was a pretty easy lawn to do. Now its taking me way to long becasue of the 24 hour sprinkler system. A box of bags cost me $5.50 which would last a month. This account would generate $280 per month twice a week. I could tell them I am not charging for bagging but the twice a week thing is necessary because you should never cut less than 1/3 of the height of the grass. Next year, I am going to raise their price. What do you think?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-10-2009, 05:54 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,501
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
. I could tell them I am not charging for bagging but the twice a week thing is necessary because you should never cut less than 1/3 of the height of the grass. Next year, I am going to raise their price. What do you think?
I just can't get over that the lawn is growing so fast it needs to be cut twice a week.

I would think if the homeowner had the option of lightening up on the fertilizer or having to pay for twice a week cuts, they would lighten up. But who knows. Maybe thats what they want.

Yea I guess you are gonna have to have a talk with them and see what they say.

Keep us posted.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-18-2009, 12:29 PM
Saddlewood Saddlewood is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 33
Rep Power: 6
Saddlewood is on a distinguished road
Default

Not knowing the specific conditions or how close the beds are together etc, another option would be to slow the throttle down when you get to an area where it gets close to the mulch beds. I've got one property I mow that is about a 2 mower width between beds and I can slow the blades down pretty slow and it won't throw the grass clippings as far. I can't say that there's not "any" grass that hits the beds, but it certainly doesn't paint the mulch green w/ clippings. What does land in the mulch bed I can come back with my blower at the idle speed and spread out the clippings pretty good. May be worth experimenting with. Best of luck, hopefully it helps a little.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
grass is not growing so we are not mowing turfmaster General Business Discussions 10 08-30-2009 07:59 PM
My company is growing and now I have growing pains neukam Starting a lawn care business. 13 05-06-2009 07:05 PM
2nd Year growing pains tomcat172002 General Business Discussions 6 03-22-2009 01:03 AM
A growing business Steve General Business Discussions 0 04-02-2008 03:37 PM
Is this a growing trend? Steve General Business Discussions 8 01-19-2007 09:29 PM

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Leaf Box & Loader Set...
ringahding1
Today 06:20 AM
Today 06:20 AM
by ringahding1
0 1
Jungle to Beautiful
stevef1201
10-17-2014 09:54 AM
Today 05:42 AM
by stevef1201
9 336
Pressure Washing Like a...
TNTurf
08-01-2014 11:47 PM
Yesterday 11:51 PM
by TNTurf
5 598
What parts do you carry...
Just for Cuts
10-17-2014 09:08 AM
Yesterday 09:51 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
15 519
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
Yesterday 09:32 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
154 11,120
Cheapskate Landlord...
Mr. Mow
Yesterday 06:33 AM
Yesterday 08:44 PM
by biglee
6 147
Have you ever had to...
SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014 02:41 PM
Yesterday 08:34 PM
by biglee
10 1,671
Sunny Beach Tennis...
SGL1
10-19-2014 11:24 PM
Yesterday 07:13 PM
by SGL1
2 113
Hello, from TEXAS
sanchez5
10-17-2014 09:56 PM
Yesterday 06:15 PM
by Steve
3 241
Look out Bob Villa -...
Mr Dave
09-30-2014 10:06 AM
Yesterday 05:42 PM
by SGL1
7 1,203
how to fi d commercial...
mchampion319
10-19-2014 09:50 PM
Yesterday 04:41 PM
by Steve
1 112
Hello From Tennessee
mrmann901
10-17-2014 10:02 PM
Yesterday 04:24 PM
by Steve
1 195
questions on order to...
jack2048
10-13-2014 11:15 AM
Yesterday 03:27 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 622
Organic Lawn Care...
NHray
10-17-2014 06:05 PM
Yesterday 02:22 PM
by Steve
1 232
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
Yesterday 02:14 PM
by Steve
14 2,071
Cement mixer
KevinsLawns
10-15-2014 08:03 PM
Yesterday 02:11 PM
by Steve
7 368
Hello ! New guy Rob here
RWorthley1
10-17-2014 04:05 PM
Yesterday 02:09 PM
by Steve
1 210
first year update
cmdlawncare
08-12-2014 05:41 PM
Yesterday 02:07 PM
by Steve
3 1,186
Pda
stevef1201
10-18-2014 02:05 PM
10-19-2014 11:27 PM
by SGL1
2 189
Snow Blowing
gwilson98
10-12-2014 02:21 PM
10-17-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
6 552
Spreading Weeds?
WesleySnips
07-27-2014 09:46 PM
10-17-2014 07:49 AM
by SGL1
6 856
Grasswhoopins.com Anyone...
GRASS WHOOPINS
06-21-2011 11:38 PM
10-16-2014 01:30 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
42 9,209
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 10:04 PM
10-15-2014 09:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
6 595
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
10-15-2014 06:43 PM
by NHray
1,190 339,878
Workmans compensation...
CDLAWNCARE
10-15-2014 08:05 AM
10-15-2014 02:57 PM
by Steve
2 335
Do you find weed eating...
chuck2s
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
by chuck2s
0 304
Incorporating &...
WesleySnips
10-01-2014 09:39 PM
10-15-2014 01:37 PM
by kslawn
20 1,397
Falling into business
stellarmowing
09-28-2014 04:35 PM
10-15-2014 05:57 AM
by ringahding1
8 1,416
Apartment Complex and...
lxarth
06-22-2011 01:10 PM
10-14-2014 06:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
42 9,496
I LOVE hedge trimming
stevef1201
10-13-2014 09:05 AM
10-14-2014 01:06 PM
by Steve
5 438
Help with seeder...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-09-2014 07:39 AM
10-13-2014 08:09 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
5 599
The Market watch
WesleySnips
10-12-2014 08:47 PM
10-13-2014 05:40 PM
by SGL1
3 442
Help pricing a large...
Bradcook21
10-07-2014 06:49 AM
10-13-2014 02:00 PM
by Steve
7 791
leaf removal
Double J LLC
10-03-2014 04:24 PM
10-13-2014 06:46 AM
by Billy Goat
19 1,416
Acerage Rake
acrajchel
04-23-2014 07:23 PM
10-12-2014 10:53 PM
by SGL1
2 757
John Deere z235 Deck
WesleySnips
09-29-2014 06:02 PM
10-12-2014 06:20 PM
by kslawn
25 1,558
Credit card contract
SGL1
10-06-2014 05:31 PM
10-12-2014 03:40 PM
by SGL1
18 980
Truck craft dump bed...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-04-2014 08:41 PM
10-10-2014 11:35 AM
by Steve
7 878
First Time River Rock...
berryjam
10-09-2014 06:09 PM
10-10-2014 11:08 AM
by Steve
2 533
West cost lawn prices
SGlawncare
10-09-2014 09:51 PM
10-10-2014 11:03 AM
by Steve
1 523
Question?what should I...
dalvan0
09-24-2014 11:10 PM
10-09-2014 05:58 PM
by kslawn
28 2,048
Mowing the hills
EyeCatchersNow
07-08-2014 12:22 PM
10-09-2014 04:19 PM
by Just for Cuts
25 2,909
snowplowing
jshak40
09-01-2014 07:20 AM
10-09-2014 02:21 PM
by Steve
25 3,557
Changing Scag Freedom Z...
maggiedavidson
10-06-2014 12:24 PM
10-08-2014 06:34 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
7 767
The most dangerous part...
Steve
10-06-2014 02:45 PM
10-07-2014 04:18 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
3 747
Good Mower
jack2048
10-04-2014 05:34 PM
10-07-2014 01:05 PM
by Steve
7 832
Mulching fad killing...
Tree geek
10-06-2014 08:37 PM
10-06-2014 08:37 PM
by Tree geek
0 651
Help a brother...
tbtigers03
09-28-2014 11:41 AM
10-06-2014 02:53 PM
by Steve
11 1,378
Update on LawnsAway and...
Ian Lovejoy
09-28-2014 10:24 AM
10-06-2014 01:30 PM
by Steve
4 1,242
A GREAT Story
stevef1201
10-02-2014 10:33 AM
10-06-2014 12:50 PM
by Steve
6 1,045
» Popular Tags
4x4 apartment complex article marketing auger bark bid billy goat brushcutter blades care charge collections decorating ditches equipment rental exmark ferris foreman four wheel drive fundraiser gopherhaul grass gravely growing a lawn care business how much to charge how to bid husqvarna john deere quik trac kawasaki landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website leaf removal marketing mr dave mulch mulch estimate new buisness new mower podcast promotion pto redmax running a business scag scripts search engine optimization seo shreaded small engine repair snow sprayer starting a business steve stihl theft theft of services top dresser toro toro grand stand trailer trimmer rack turfgrass consulting walker wood
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:32 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:32 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy