Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Lawn Care, Landscaping, and Property Management Forums > Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation
A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!

Help requested with growing a lawn from dirt


Lawn Maintenance / Lawn Renovation

A great way to talk about all things lawn care related. Grass, turf, shrubs, trees, aeration, fertilization, reseeding, hydro-seeding, mowing, grub control, chemicals and pesticides. Ask questions, give answers. Grow!
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 04-24-2008, 12:31 AM
yardworksinc
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I have taken on a job that consists of a nice front yard to manicure and a rear yard about 30feet deep and 45feet wide that is covered in pine needles. I priced the cleanup at 120 to include the edging, front mowing, back raking/blowing and the gutters. I will be taking a broom to knock out the buildup in the gutters then a blower to polish them up. I firgure I'll spend 20-30 minutes on the gutters, 20 minutes mowing, 10-20 edging, and hopefully the blower I picked up will make the needle cleanup take 1-1.5 hours. If my timing it accurate it will take about 2.5 hours to knowck it out. My estimates have been horrible so it might take me more like 3-4 hours but I'll know for next time!

When I walked the yard I was looking for other things they would use. It turns out no one has lived in the place for a year prior to my client getting there. The rear yard has not been raked in that time. I looked under spots all over the backyard and it is nothing but dirt. Loose dirt in most places, but hard near the house. I offered to seed and get a lwn going for the kids to play in since they have two. This brought up a need for a birthday party in the backyard on june 15th. I will have about 5-6 weeks to get this rolling. I am dealing with heavy shade from pine trees and I can assume a bad pH due to the needles.

Can I get it going in 6 weeks? I already informed them that they will need to water twice daily to start. In virginia, it there a good seed for this heavy shade? I would say moderate to heavy. I will need to break the ground up near the house since it is compacted dirt but alot of the rear yard will just need a light raking after the cleanup and prior to seeding.

Anyways, can you get a lawn to grow in that time frame or is it best to recommend sodding since they have a deadline?

If I can get it to grow are there any recommendations? Seed and feed? VA does not require a specific license to fertilize but pesticides do. Is there a particular seed that will just grow with constant water?

Since the entire rear lwn is DIRT I plan to lay hay/straw after seeding to keep the soil moist and try to keep the seed from washing away from rain. That is of course, IF I seed vs sod. Any advice is appreciated.

Aside from the seeding and cleanup they have agreed to a $40/week maintenance for the lawn. For a while it will just be the front and sides since the back has nothing and I will want to stay off of it until it reaches mowing height.

Thanks for reading.
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #2  
Old 04-24-2008, 01:22 PM
UniversityLandscapers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Lawn care business tipsLawn Care Business Book
Sodding would be a lot easier, using a sand-based sod for shady areas. If you were doing it from seed, I would suggest adding some organic material, probably compost, to the soil in order to increase its ability to hold moisture. You'd probably need to lime the soil first too, to get the pH back near neutral. With a six week timeframe, I think seeding would be possible, but because of the shade you might need to overseed once or twice, since growth will be slow.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-25-2008, 09:39 PM
yardworksinc
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I am a bit hasty in responding but I am going to anyway then do some reseach at the same time. When you indicate to drop lime first, how long before seeding should this be done?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-26-2008, 03:01 AM
UniversityLandscapers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Hmmmm...I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on this, so anyone else have any ideas? I just think that you will want to sort out the soil pH before attempting to seed a new lawn. I'll look at my book
from the "Lawn Geek" and see if I can find anything.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-26-2008, 07:45 AM
Steve's Avatar
Steve Steve is online now
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 36,519
Rep Power: 10
Steve has disabled reputation
Default

Dave anything you know about this is more than me and it's much appreciated.
__________________
- Subscribe to my Lawn Care Marketing Blog Feed and get daily tips sent to you. Free!
Download your Free trial of Gopher Lawn Care Software.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-26-2008, 10:04 AM
UniversityLandscapers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Seeding a lawn

I came across that, but it doesn't say anything about timing. I figure it would need a few days at least to actually work into the soil and do its thing, rather than just sitting on the soil. I guess if the yard is pretty compact now, you could drop the lime, then till it all together to loosen up the soil a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-26-2008, 12:24 PM
yardworksinc
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

This is what I came up with after reviewing several sources.
Lime, manure and starter fertilizer tilled into the ground. Tamp the ground or use a roller half filled with water then seed and lightly rake.

The soil is moist under those pine needles so I might be able to get away without the manure. I figure lime and starter fertilizer are going to be necessary to get it moving. I plan to use a blend of ryegrass and kentucky bluegrass since we need the lawn up ASAP.

Thanks for all the feedback guys.
I intend to give them a couplel prices depending on their budget.
One for breaking the ground and seeding.
And
One for tilling with lime and fertilizer then tamping and seeding.

I will be emphasizing the importance of adding the lime and fertilizer. Without it their lawn may be a bit fragile dfor the June 15th birthday BBQ in the backyard.

I have 2700 sq feet of yard that needs a total new lawn and 2500sq feet that will just be over seeded. About 1000 sq feet needs to be tilled due to hard earth. I'll be pricing the seed, lime, and fert this weekend to give a quote by monday evening. I will be totally guessing on the labor since I'm really not sure how long it's going to take to get all that done.

I'm also guessing I need to call Ms Utility to get the grounds marked. I don't want to come thru and till up and cable or phone not to mention power or gas. Power and gas should be well below my depth but the phone and cable may not be. Hopefully there is nothing even in the rear yard but I'm not taking chances.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-26-2008, 05:43 PM
UniversityLandscapers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Ya...I doubt you'll hit utilities, but always good to call before you dig. I'd reckon that job would take you at least a day to pull off.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-01-2008, 11:27 PM
yardworksinc
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I decided to go with 2 quotes. Awaiting the response. It's pretty solid that I'll get the job just a matter of whether they want to spring for the extra bucks. I may have underbid on labor but at this time its just me and I don't have a full schedule. Taking it will allow me to get a better idea of what it takes to complete the job in the future.

So about 2700 square feet in the rear that needs a newlawn. Soil is soft in most of the areas. About a 30x4 footarea needs to be broken up then regraded. I can pull this off with a shovel and bow rake.

Also, 2500 sq feet needs overseeding. I was told I need 10-12# of seed per 1000 sq feet when doing a new lawn and 5# per 1000 sq feet when overseeding. Lets say 32.4# for the new lawn and 7.5 for the reseeding. Great 40 will do it. I'm going to get a 50# bag for about $98. It has a blend of 3 different ryegrass breeds, kentucky bluegrass, and 2 different types of tall fescue. I choose this because they need gra fast and ryegrass will germinate in 5-7 days.

First quote. I'm doing a 50% markup on the materials. So about 150 for the seed and I just bid 35 for the labor. The markup will take care of labor as well. 185 for just seeding and breaking the ground.

The second quote: Same seed, add a bottle of spray on lime that covers 2500 sq feet. Thats about 15 bucks. Also, a bag of starter fertilizer that will cover 5000 sq feet. Same cost. Bid is 235 on that one. Same markup on the materials. I am looking at about 130 in materials I need to get. Profit of 105. It doesn't take long to walk out seed and fertilizer or use a hose to spread the lime. The labor of breaking the ground will maybe take 1 hour. I will already have a bit of it broken up from the late spring cleanup I am doing for them.

Any tips for next bid or thoughts on what I have above?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-01-2008, 11:58 PM
UniversityLandscapers
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Seems a little low to me...it might not take too long, but I doubt that they will be hugely price sensitive since I get the impression that no one else is bidding against you. I'd factor in a higher labour cost.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
Leaf removal
madmedic8575
Today 04:14 PM
Today 04:14 PM
by madmedic8575
0 24
new to the forum
madmedic8575
Today 02:52 PM
Today 02:52 PM
by madmedic8575
0 31
hey everyone
robert8509
10-22-2014 08:16 PM
Today 02:28 PM
by biglee
6 194
raking leaves ?
robert8509
10-22-2014 09:19 PM
Today 02:23 PM
by biglee
8 245
Lawn Care business...
crieg122
Yesterday 01:23 PM
Today 01:11 PM
by Steve
4 170
My Newest Toy (B.P....
Dan Tanner
Yesterday 05:50 PM
Today 01:02 PM
by Steve
1 111
Pressure Washing Like a...
TNTurf
08-01-2014 11:47 PM
Today 01:00 PM
by Steve
11 874
12 Years in Business!
Chilehead
Yesterday 08:07 AM
Yesterday 11:08 PM
by Chilehead
2 130
Dealing With Gas Can...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:41 PM
Yesterday 11:06 PM
by Chilehead
9 332
Cheapskate Landlord...
Mr. Mow
10-20-2014 06:33 AM
Yesterday 05:55 PM
by biglee
13 444
Hi from SoCal
Jmoney
Yesterday 11:29 AM
Yesterday 12:51 PM
by Steve
1 103
Workmans compensation...
CDLAWNCARE
10-15-2014 08:05 AM
Yesterday 12:33 PM
by Steve
5 559
Pda
stevef1201
10-18-2014 02:05 PM
Yesterday 06:12 AM
by ringahding1
4 381
Leaf Box & Loader Set...
ringahding1
10-21-2014 06:20 AM
Yesterday 05:13 AM
by ringahding1
5 277
Hello, from TEXAS
sanchez5
10-17-2014 09:56 PM
10-22-2014 01:27 PM
by Steve
6 450
Organic Lawn Care...
NHray
10-17-2014 06:05 PM
10-22-2014 01:23 PM
by Steve
3 426
Hi Steve From West...
Mr. Mow
10-21-2014 01:59 PM
10-22-2014 01:19 PM
by Steve
1 199
Help a brother...
tbtigers03
09-28-2014 11:41 AM
10-22-2014 08:51 AM
by ringahding1
12 1,565
first year update
cmdlawncare
08-12-2014 05:41 PM
10-22-2014 07:47 AM
by ringahding1
4 1,385
What parts do you carry...
Just for Cuts
10-17-2014 09:08 AM
10-21-2014 01:36 PM
by Mr. Mow
16 698
Jungle to Beautiful
stevef1201
10-17-2014 09:54 AM
10-21-2014 01:26 PM
by stevef1201
11 555
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
03-22-2014 09:12 AM
10-21-2014 01:19 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
158 11,466
Sunny Beach Tennis...
SGL1
10-19-2014 11:24 PM
10-21-2014 01:04 PM
by SGL1
4 301
Have you ever had to...
SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014 02:41 PM
10-20-2014 08:34 PM
by biglee
10 1,867
Look out Bob Villa -...
Mr Dave
09-30-2014 10:06 AM
10-20-2014 05:42 PM
by SGL1
7 1,365
how to fi d commercial...
mchampion319
10-19-2014 09:50 PM
10-20-2014 04:41 PM
by Steve
1 269
Hello From Tennessee
mrmann901
10-17-2014 10:02 PM
10-20-2014 04:24 PM
by Steve
1 340
questions on order to...
jack2048
10-13-2014 11:15 AM
10-20-2014 03:27 PM
by Mr. Mow
15 792
This sucks...
Matther777
09-18-2014 04:56 PM
10-20-2014 02:14 PM
by Steve
14 2,252
Cement mixer
KevinsLawns
10-15-2014 08:03 PM
10-20-2014 02:11 PM
by Steve
7 534
Hello ! New guy Rob here
RWorthley1
10-17-2014 04:05 PM
10-20-2014 02:09 PM
by Steve
1 371
Snow Blowing
gwilson98
10-12-2014 02:21 PM
10-17-2014 02:51 PM
by Steve
6 710
Spreading Weeds?
WesleySnips
07-27-2014 09:46 PM
10-17-2014 07:49 AM
by SGL1
6 1,018
Grasswhoopins.com Anyone...
GRASS WHOOPINS
06-21-2011 11:38 PM
10-16-2014 01:30 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
42 9,381
I Want to buy old...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-10-2014 10:04 PM
10-15-2014 09:12 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
6 737
Say Hello !!!
Steve
03-19-2007 11:18 AM
10-15-2014 06:43 PM
by NHray
1,190 340,324
Do you find weed eating...
chuck2s
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
10-15-2014 02:10 PM
by chuck2s
0 458
Incorporating &...
WesleySnips
10-01-2014 09:39 PM
10-15-2014 01:37 PM
by kslawn
20 1,557
Falling into business
stellarmowing
09-28-2014 04:35 PM
10-15-2014 05:57 AM
by ringahding1
8 1,569
Apartment Complex and...
lxarth
06-22-2011 01:10 PM
10-14-2014 06:25 PM
by jrs.landscaping
42 9,657
I LOVE hedge trimming
stevef1201
10-13-2014 09:05 AM
10-14-2014 01:06 PM
by Steve
5 592
Help with seeder...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-09-2014 07:39 AM
10-13-2014 08:09 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
5 752
The Market watch
WesleySnips
10-12-2014 08:47 PM
10-13-2014 05:40 PM
by SGL1
3 595
Help pricing a large...
Bradcook21
10-07-2014 06:49 AM
10-13-2014 02:00 PM
by Steve
7 940
leaf removal
Double J LLC
10-03-2014 04:24 PM
10-13-2014 06:46 AM
by Billy Goat
19 1,595
Acerage Rake
acrajchel
04-23-2014 07:23 PM
10-12-2014 10:53 PM
by SGL1
2 911
John Deere z235 Deck
WesleySnips
09-29-2014 06:02 PM
10-12-2014 06:20 PM
by kslawn
25 1,722
Credit card contract
SGL1
10-06-2014 05:31 PM
10-12-2014 03:40 PM
by SGL1
18 1,130
Truck craft dump bed...
ExtremeLawncareServices
10-04-2014 08:41 PM
10-10-2014 11:35 AM
by Steve
7 1,036
First Time River Rock...
berryjam
10-09-2014 06:09 PM
10-10-2014 11:08 AM
by Steve
2 678
» Popular Tags
2wd 4x4 aerocore apartment bid apartment lawn care estimate applying auger billy goat brushcutter bush care charge christmas deliquentaccounts equipment rental exmark ferris foreman four wheel drive gopherhaul grass gravely hills holiday how much to charge how to bid husqvarna john deere quik trac kawasaki labor cost landscape services lawn lawn care lawn care business book lawn care business podcast lawn care business seo lawn care business show lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care seo lawn care website lighting lighting brass outdoor lights managing a lawn care business marketing mowing mulch mulch estimate new buisness ordinance podcast property management company push versus ride savannah scag scripts seo shreaded snow plowing sprayer starting a business starting a lawn care business stihl sulky theft toro tractor auger trailer walk behind walker wright stander rh
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:50 PM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:50 PM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy