Lawn Care Business Forum Lawn Care Business Book Lawn Care Business Blog Lawn Care Software
Home Forum Contract & Flyer Templates Blog Software Videos Podcast Calculators / Estimators Store Mower Review Design It Yourself Lawn Business School

Go Back   GopherHaul Landscaping & Lawn Care Business Marketing Forum > Business > Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life. It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.

It may just be over


Trials & Tribulations - The drama of running a business and of life.

It's not as easy as it looks. Running a business is full of drama. Customers, employees, money, family, time. You name it, it's a problem. Share with us your drama and how you handled it.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #31  
Old 11-05-2012, 06:59 AM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

You see, Let entertain this for a minute off of that number "12.50" @3,000 per month divided by that would be 240 divide that into 4 weeks @5 days per week and it puts me at 12 jobs per day before I can consider leaving my day job. Lets say it took 30 minutes per job, I would be working after work for 5 hours per day meaning when I get home at 3PM I would be working until 8pm, now I have no problem working but as you know the sun is going to bed at 6pm meaning I will be mowing lawns for 2 hours in the dark by flashlight I don't know about you but I would fire someone if they showed up at my house at 8PM to mow my lawn.

Now you look at the numbers I shoot for and I only need 7 jobs per day to go full time meaning I am only working until 6-6:30PM which while still being late in my book is far better.

Maybe I should get into real estate? LOL
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote

Stop guess-timating. Learn how to estimate and make money! $$$
Mow Time Estimator Lawn Care Price Estimator Mulch and Topsoil Calculator Snow Plow Estimate Calculator


  #32  
Old 11-05-2012, 08:31 AM
Organic Ken Organic Ken is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ione, CA
Posts: 32
Rep Power: 5
Organic Ken is on a distinguished road
Default

That job is a bad example because it is a postage stamp yard. Not the type of job you want to base your business plan on, but would still be profitable. That yard only takes 15 min. thats $50 per hour - whats the problem? and yes you will need to do 10- 15 jobs per day, 5 days a week to make $$$ in this business.

When I was doing residential, I did 70+ lawns. Some were postage stamps and some were 3 or 4 hours a week and I did them by myself - no employees!

the problem is that if you need to make 3,000 in order to quit your job, that will never happen. you might be able to build it up to 1,000 per month or so but then when you quit, youll have to live on that 1,000 until you build it up to 3,000 which may take a year or two. the other alternative would be to buy an existing route, if you can find one.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-05-2012, 05:12 PM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Organic Ken View Post
the problem is that if you need to make 3,000 in order to quit your job, that will never happen.
Which is exactly why I am leaving this business. Shoot I make more money on YouTube now than anything ells and I actually enjoy that, Never have to deal with customers as well lol
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-05-2012, 05:13 PM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

I guess on a bright note, I have some super sweet equipment to work on my own yard with.
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-14-2012, 02:22 PM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

Anyone ells want to chime in? It's been a while.
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 11-14-2012, 08:59 PM
avetslawncare's Avatar
avetslawncare avetslawncare is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 219
Rep Power: 5
avetslawncare is on a distinguished road
Default

Give it up, with that attitude, you will not make it
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 11-15-2012, 05:22 AM
LawnBoy0311 LawnBoy0311 is offline
new member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Coast
Posts: 1,169
Rep Power: 0
LawnBoy0311 is on a distinguished road
Default

I tried to help him, but he stopped emailing me.

My advice- hang up the boots, bro. Move on.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 11-15-2012, 05:35 AM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

With what attitude? The one that wants to actually make money?

Lawnboy, I never heard back from you after our last exchange via email.
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 11-15-2012, 05:46 AM
ringahding1's Avatar
ringahding1 ringahding1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Stillwater, MN
Posts: 316
Rep Power: 6
ringahding1 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CHEESE2009 View Post
After three years, you will learn enough to make the fourth year count.

The first year is just a total mind-fck, so much information is being processed.

The second year, you begin putting things into practice, avoiding the mistakes of year one.

The third year, you know how things should be, and how to run the ideal company... but there is not enough time to prepare for the season.

The fourth year is where you make money, and put final touches on how your company should operate.

-

In my time, I've learned many things that helped me improve:

Year 1
I learned that people generally suck, everyone is cheap and willing to take advantage of me to receive a lower cost. My ads sucked, and I didn't put in enough effort (I just didn't know where to start).

Year 2 (worst year)
I realized my mistakes from year one. I avoided all crap work, and put my foot down and denied service for those who refused to pay on time. It was a bad year, I became 'Hitler' of lawn maintenance. If you missed a payment, you were dead to us. People panicked, and we got rid of a LOT of business. I was generally happier without the headaches, but I had no money.

Year 3.
I realized my mistakes from year 2... I didn't want to lose business by firing ignorant clients like last year, so I had them all pre-pay with post-dated cheques. I no longer had to chase them around for money, or worry!

Because they were all forced to pay properly, I had less stress. I didn't cut lawns thinking, "I'm wasting my time, I'm probably not going to get paid for this"... Instead, the passion for my work came back!!! I felt great cutting grass again, and this made me feel better as a businessman. I was now willing to go after more work.

Year 4 is all about perfecting year 3. Knowing something is working, at taking advantage of it!
Completely Agree Cheese! You must know your prices before stepping foot on any property. Your mindset should be second nature when estimating any job! Soon you will be at a point where you can actually pick and choose clients, you will know who are going to be the good payers.
__________________
08 F250 Ext Cab/04 Chevy 3500
05 F350/04 F350 Diesel/12 Ram 4500 Dump
4 -60 Toro Zmaster/Lesco 48
3 -8'2" Boss V-Plows
1- Hiniker 9'6" V-Plow
20' Enclosed trailer
18' Skid & 16' Open Trailer
2012 - S185 Bobcat


Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-15-2012, 06:03 AM
jasonw's Avatar
jasonw jasonw is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,008
Rep Power: 8
jasonw is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ringahding1 View Post
Completely Agree Cheese! You must know your prices before stepping foot on any property. Your mindset should be second nature when estimating any job! Soon you will be at a point where you can actually pick and choose clients, you will know who are going to be the good payers.
He did hit on some good points, my 2nd year was full of non paying clients who were great payers the first year. I am a little confused as to where to go now though, I have virtually no business and next year will be my 4th. Do I start fresh like it is the first year or try to make it my 4th and first profitable year?
__________________
White Company
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

» Recent Threads
  RatingTitle, Username, & Date Last Post Replies Views
weed
avetslawncare
04-16-2015 07:56 PM
Yesterday 11:37 PM
by biglee
5 303
I'm Back With The Best...
aduttonater
02-21-2015 12:41 AM
Yesterday 11:35 PM
by biglee
63 2,667
Big (to me) mulch job
tl757
04-23-2015 05:32 PM
Yesterday 11:30 PM
by biglee
11 241
Correct me if I'm wrong...
SGL1
04-26-2015 02:41 PM
Yesterday 10:46 PM
by SGL1
10 131
These are the days on...
ExtremeLawncareServices
01-11-2015 10:41 AM
Yesterday 10:29 PM
by ExtremeLawncareServices
65 5,418
Help with a truck
bdodson89
Yesterday 08:15 PM
Yesterday 08:15 PM
by bdodson89
0 29
Total yard rehab
SGL1
04-23-2015 03:59 PM
Yesterday 06:57 PM
by SGL1
11 245
equipment marketplace?
jrs.landscaping
Yesterday 04:49 PM
Yesterday 06:09 PM
by jrs.landscaping
2 48
Buying contracts /...
greenscaper123
04-26-2015 04:46 PM
Yesterday 05:59 PM
by Steve
2 75
Lawn Care Service in...
Friscobob
04-24-2015 03:33 PM
Yesterday 05:44 PM
by Steve
4 156
mowfinder
scaypa
Yesterday 05:44 PM
Yesterday 05:44 PM
by scaypa
0 25
what's the big deal...
Tony317
04-25-2015 02:19 PM
Yesterday 05:43 PM
by Steve
3 122
New company in Michigan
SEM
04-24-2015 09:27 PM
Yesterday 05:41 PM
by Steve
4 118
mowing pic
joshlawncare
04-25-2015 12:34 PM
Yesterday 05:40 PM
by Steve
2 111
Newb Question - Multiple...
DependiLawn
04-24-2015 11:36 PM
Yesterday 05:36 PM
by Steve
1 99
maintandlawndispatch...
SGL1
04-21-2015 03:31 PM
04-24-2015 04:42 PM
by Steve
9 253
Thoughts on Undocumented...
element009
09-25-2011 11:08 AM
04-23-2015 09:32 PM
by Chilehead
56 15,546
Hello Everyone
DesignsByBnC
04-22-2015 04:07 PM
04-23-2015 02:19 PM
by DesignsByBnC
2 132
The upcoming rainy...
5StarLawnscaping
04-21-2015 01:22 PM
04-23-2015 12:54 PM
by Steve
7 228
color fliers?
holymoly
04-18-2015 02:32 PM
04-23-2015 12:50 PM
by Steve
12 398
WARNING! Especially to...
SC93
04-19-2015 12:05 PM
04-22-2015 01:39 PM
by Steve
14 468
Could be great news for...
SC93
04-14-2015 11:06 PM
04-22-2015 01:28 PM
by Steve
15 535
quick pic
joshlawncare
04-14-2015 07:49 PM
04-21-2015 05:01 PM
by joshlawncare
4 372
Got Inspected today
swstout
08-09-2010 10:31 PM
04-21-2015 03:53 PM
by SGL1
10 4,029
Smoked my first belt!
SGL1
04-20-2015 08:46 PM
04-21-2015 03:28 PM
by SGL1
4 197
Pictures of commercial...
avetslawncare
04-01-2015 09:47 PM
04-21-2015 12:47 PM
by Steve
25 1,053
lawn care business...
holymoly
04-18-2015 02:56 PM
04-21-2015 06:18 AM
by holymoly
3 290
landscape insurance
clarkslawn
03-30-2015 10:14 PM
04-20-2015 10:02 PM
by SGL1
4 511
Poll & Discussion...
CHEESE2009
09-16-2011 06:16 PM
04-20-2015 08:20 PM
by avetslawncare
27 5,705
Aerating / Dethaching...
Hard-Body lawn & garden
04-12-2015 07:53 PM
04-19-2015 08:49 PM
by Chilehead
17 636
Start LIKING FACEBOOK...
rlclawncare123
02-26-2015 12:06 AM
04-19-2015 09:21 AM
by KJ90
8 1,052
bidding a cemetery....
NPM_LLC
03-28-2015 10:56 AM
04-19-2015 05:26 AM
by RSE
22 1,068
Hustler Raptor
SGL1
04-13-2015 09:27 PM
04-18-2015 07:53 AM
by SGL1
15 553
is craiglist good to...
JBENI
04-16-2015 11:11 AM
04-17-2015 10:25 PM
by Wolf4dk
11 464
Am I missing something...
googus
04-11-2015 06:33 PM
04-17-2015 08:01 PM
by avetslawncare
10 581
Hello
sonny54
04-16-2015 09:49 PM
04-17-2015 03:10 PM
by Steve
1 229
Unreal
Chilehead
04-09-2015 09:12 PM
04-17-2015 08:27 AM
by Chilehead
11 613
starting a lawn care...
JBENI
04-14-2015 09:03 AM
04-17-2015 08:03 AM
by JBENI
14 596
Finally got a warehouse
avetslawncare
03-12-2015 07:52 PM
04-16-2015 07:52 PM
by avetslawncare
23 1,410
New 14 x 7 Enclosed...
whitepropertydetail
04-15-2015 06:46 PM
04-16-2015 03:40 PM
by Steve
1 291
older used dump trucks
SECTLANDSCAPING
09-22-2011 12:33 AM
04-16-2015 12:41 PM
by biglee
21 8,088
Tax Poll
Steve
04-15-2015 02:13 PM
04-15-2015 02:13 PM
by Steve
0 269
lawn care by Aj
aj10261984
04-14-2015 06:50 PM
04-15-2015 01:43 PM
by Steve
2 310
Contact last years...
googus
01-28-2015 08:13 AM
04-15-2015 12:54 PM
by SC93
7 1,313
trying to sign up for...
JBENI
04-14-2015 10:20 AM
04-14-2015 12:11 PM
by Steve
1 903
Charging customers for...
Hard-Body lawn & garden
04-14-2015 07:34 AM
04-14-2015 10:35 AM
by Steve
1 347
New member
Jdlandscaping,LLC
04-11-2015 03:24 PM
04-14-2015 05:45 AM
by Jdlandscaping,LLC
2 370
hello
oasis_greenscapes
04-01-2015 06:18 PM
04-13-2015 12:03 PM
by Steve
8 613
New Member
Greenturion
04-11-2015 02:00 PM
04-13-2015 11:59 AM
by Steve
1 327
Client with...
OldSalt
04-07-2015 09:47 PM
04-13-2015 11:57 AM
by Steve
8 560
» Popular Tags
apartment complex apartment lawn care estimate applying bark blades blowout bob villa collections commercial contract help curb appeal services demonstration door hangers edging employee problems facebook flyers free advertising grass growing a lawn care business hardscapes hills hiring how to hydraulic landscape landscape services landscaping training lawn aeration lawn care lawn care busines plan lawn care business seo lawn care business website lawn care business website seo lawn care website managing a lawn care business marketing more customers business mr dave new business new mower ordinance past due patio install per hour charge profit on employee push versus ride running a business scag v-ride scripts search engine optimization sell the vision seo shreaded small engine repair snow plowing sq ft square foot sulky toro tractor auger trailer mate pro trimmer rack truck new used landscape web design website won't return wood wright stander rh www.greenturion.co.za
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:20 AM.


(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:20 AM.

(C) 2011 Riggs Publications - Terms of use & Privacy Policy