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  • #16
    i was not compareing natural gas to diesel i was comparing diesel fuel to #2 heating oil.

    Neither was I. I was talking about the combustion in a boiler as compared to a diesel engine.
    Pat

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    • #17
      Neither was I. I was talking about the combustion in a boiler as compared to a diesel engine.
      well then, i was not comparing the combustion proccess of either of the two i was talking about the differences on how one fuel burns better and more efficiently then the other as well as the differences of how the dirtier fuel will effect a engine.

      a diesel engine has so much compression that it can ignite coal dust in the cylinder chamber but you would not want to run that through your injector pump either.

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      • #18
        musi mowing & more inc

        I have a 2005 diesel truck that has a 140 miles on it and it continues to run like a charm. I also have a 2011 diesel that is just bar none the best diesel truck out there. I love diesel because they last forever and that is why I only buy diesel trucks. I think all gas trucks should go away and make everything diesel.

        But to get to the point. I have heard about diesel engines in mowers and I only know of Grass Hopper having a few diesel but there are no dealers in my area. I wanted to ask you guys a few questions regarding diesels in mowers.

        What companies are using diesel mowers?
        Is diesel in mowers a good choice (as I'm guessing they will last forever)?
        Are they comparable in price of gas mowers?
        And in general what are all your thoughts or experience using diesel powered mowers?
        Check out the Walker Super B MBSY - they have a new out front mower with a rear discharge / mulching deck with a YANMAR DIESEL ENGING. Purchased last year and with just over 200 hours on it, still runs like brand new and just sips the fuel.

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        • #19
          Great post so far. It appears that their are mixed feelings about diesel powered mowers. I'm still thinking whether I follow through on purchasing a diesel. My uncle runs diesel for his trucks and he actually makes it himself. He can make 60 gallons a batch which takes 24 hours to make. He said it only costs him 70 cents a gallon. I did some research on making your own diesel fuel and this is a machine you can buy for only $1,500. All you need to do is get all the material required and mix it (most importantly get the oil). But i can go around many restaurants in the area and get their oil. I know at the golf course i work at they have 15 gallons of oil a week. Here is what a biodiesel processor looks like http://www.saferwholesale.com/Search...&Submit=Search.

          What are all your thoughts on this?

          Curtis Michael
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          The Grounds Crew
          (425) 765-2638
          www.thegroundscrewllc.com

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          • #20
            Great post so far. It appears that their are mixed feelings about diesel powered mowers. I'm still thinking whether I follow through on purchasing a diesel. My uncle runs diesel for his trucks and he actually makes it himself. He can make 60 gallons a batch which takes 24 hours to make. He said it only costs him 70 cents a gallon. I did some research on making your own diesel fuel and this is a machine you can buy for only $1,500. All you need to do is get all the material required and mix it (most importantly get the oil). But i can go around many restaurants in the area and get their oil. I know at the golf course i work at they have 15 gallons of oil a week. Here is what a biodiesel processor looks like http://www.saferwholesale.com/Search...&Submit=Search.

            What are all your thoughts on this?

            a lot of people have jumped on that wagon so getting the used cooking oil may become a little tricky.

            and the mower as you buy it will need to be modified slightly for the use of bio-diesel and if purchasing new you might want to see if it will need to be modified as well as if it will affect the warranty.

            we have a huge senior development by me that has about 3,000 units and it is so big they have their own bank,church,temple and several resturaunts and the in house maintnence for the grounds has a proccessor for the bio-fuel and they use the stuff exclusively.
            it works out well for them because they get 250 gallons of oil a week and they always have plenty but it also serves them well because before they made their own fuel they had to deal with the issue of getting rid of the oil so for them the benefit is two fold.

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            • #21
              My tractors are not bio, two excavators and my Jetta are, I burn fish oil and never have an issue, super cheap as I live right on the Atlantic so there are many processing plants, some of the city bus's are running fish oil also. the Jetta will burn whatever you put in it However for max power the garage #1 is the best.
              Andy
              Halifax, Nova Scotia

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              • #22
                the engine is a Yanmar, they can't be beat, most of the fishing boats here run these engines also,

                Those boats must be small!!!

                I was a charter boat Capt for 4 years before joining the Military and I ran a 36 Chris w/270 cummins and a 36 hat w/3208 cats as well as a 31 bertram w/3116 cats and I will tell you any Bertram's running yanmars couldent keep up lol


                Its a good small diesel though!!!

                (sorry to get off track)
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                • #23
                  off road diesel is the same as home heating oil and it has the dye in it as well as it is not nearly as clean as the diesel fuel plus home heating ol cost about the same so combine that with running dirtier fuel through your machine you are better off running the real diesel fuel.


                  I have to disagree with you here diesel is a dirty fuel to begin with but this is totally different the only difference is the dye that they put into it because it is not taxed for road use!!!

                  There is something like 30-40 cent tax on each gallon.

                  I remember back in 1998-2000 i was putting off road diesel in my boat and it was 90 cent a gallon and gas was still a little over $2 a gallon!!
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                  • #24
                    also the #2 oil has a dye in it that causes a blue smoke to appear in the exaust to tip off law enforcement that you are running the #2 in your vehicle to avoid the road taxes

                    I have never ever seen this Blue smoke!!!!

                    Is this a myth or have you seen it in real life because i have been running off road diesel since 1997 and have never ever seen this!!!
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                    • #25
                      Great post so far. It appears that their are mixed feelings about diesel powered mowers. I'm still thinking whether I follow through on purchasing a diesel. My uncle runs diesel for his trucks and he actually makes it himself. He can make 60 gallons a batch which takes 24 hours to make. He said it only costs him 70 cents a gallon. I did some research on making your own diesel fuel and this is a machine you can buy for only $1,500. All you need to do is get all the material required and mix it (most importantly get the oil). But i can go around many restaurants in the area and get their oil. I know at the golf course i work at they have 15 gallons of oil a week. Here is what a biodiesel processor looks like http://www.saferwholesale.com/Search...&Submit=Search.

                      What are all your thoughts on this?
                      I know a guy who has been running his ford on this for almost 2 years now he said the only problem is the pain in the *** filling it up lol

                      He has a huge processor in his garage and makes all of his own and when the truck is running the exhaust smells like fried chicken lol
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                      • #26
                        I have to disagree with you here diesel is a dirty fuel to begin with but this is totally different the only difference is the dye that they put into it because it is not taxed for road use!!!

                        There is something like 30-40 cent tax on each gallon.

                        I remember back in 1998-2000 i was putting off road diesel in my boat and it was 90 cent a gallon and gas was still a little over $2 a gallon!!

                        diesel is not dirty fuel, it just does not burn as efficiently as gas does and if the engine is cold or not at full operating temperature it will cause the excessive smoke.
                        diesel engines will actually cool down at a idle and you will get more build up in the motor if you idle to long and that build up leetches down the cylinder walls into the oil.

                        heat is the determining factor in how clean it burns and if you are driving down the highway and look at a big rig going down the highway that is running at temp the exaust is almost a clear as a car's running on gas.

                        as i said before if you don't believe me that the diesel is not cleaner then the #2 just put a little of each in two seperate glass containers and you will see what i am saying, proof is in the pudding.

                        in 1998-2000 most everything was cheaper and i could buy a pack of cigerettes for half of what they cost today so i am a little confused as to what 10 years ago has to do what things cost today.

                        10 years ago there was a noticeable difference in fuel prices compared to how they were used in over the road and off road but in todays world with speculators and demand have changed that dramatically to the point where it is not so different anymore.

                        the only factor that could change that is where you live because fuel prices vary from region to region.

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                        • #27
                          I have never ever seen this Blue smoke!!!!

                          Is this a myth or have you seen it in real life because i have been running off road diesel since 1997 and have never ever seen this!!!
                          the dyes purpose is for law enforcemet and the dot to determine visually if you are running the correct fuel and no it is not a myth and if you drive in my state running off road diesel on the road you will not go 2 days before you get caught.

                          and on top of being heavily fined you will also need to make arraingments to find another way to get where you are going because your vehicle will be impounded and will not be released until once again you pay some more heavy fines and have the entire fuel system cleaned out of the existing off road fuel.

                          i have seen it a thousand times and if you don't believe me fill your tank with some #2 and take a ride through the garden state and you will get a very expensive education in the differences between the two.

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                          • #28
                            Those boats must be small!!!

                            I was a charter boat Capt for 4 years before joining the Military and I ran a 36 Chris w/270 cummins and a 36 hat w/3208 cats as well as a 31 bertram w/3116 cats and I will tell you any Bertram's running yanmars couldent keep up lol


                            Its a good small diesel though!!!

                            (sorry to get off track)
                            Most are small operations, 40 foot or less boats, keep in mind the AY series of Yanmar is 911 H.P., that will push a pretty good size boat. The vast majority of sail boats here are Yanmar, they sell the #2 diesel right at the yaught clubs.
                            Andy
                            Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                            • #29
                              diesel is not dirty fuel, it just does not burn as efficiently as gas does and if the engine is cold or not at full operating temperature it will cause the excessive smoke.
                              diesel engines will actually cool down at a idle and you will get more build up in the motor if you idle to long and that build up leetches down the cylinder walls into the oil.

                              heat is the determining factor in how clean it burns and if you are driving down the highway and look at a big rig going down the highway that is running at temp the exaust is almost a clear as a car's running on gas.

                              as i said before if you don't believe me that the diesel is not cleaner then the #2 just put a little of each in two seperate glass containers and you will see what i am saying, proof is in the pudding.

                              in 1998-2000 most everything was cheaper and i could buy a pack of cigerettes for half of what they cost today so i am a little confused as to what 10 years ago has to do what things cost today.

                              10 years ago there was a noticeable difference in fuel prices compared to how they were used in over the road and off road but in todays world with speculators and demand have changed that dramatically to the point where it is not so different anymore.

                              the only factor that could change that is where you live because fuel prices vary from region to region.
                              Well what I mean about it being dirtier is the fact that it is not refined as much as gas is and that there is more oil in diesel than gas and I have been runnin diesels since the mid 90's so there is not a whole lot you can tell me about them lol

                              And what I meant about 10 years ago is that diesel has jumped almost 3 dollars a gallon and gas has only jumped about $1.50 so there is know way that it is all on road tax!
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                              • #30
                                the dyes purpose is for law enforcemet and the dot to determine visually if you are running the correct fuel and no it is not a myth and if you drive in my state running off road diesel on the road you will not go 2 days before you get caught.

                                and on top of being heavily fined you will also need to make arraingments to find another way to get where you are going because your vehicle will be impounded and will not be released until once again you pay some more heavy fines and have the entire fuel system cleaned out of the existing off road fuel.

                                i have seen it a thousand times and if you don't believe me fill your tank with some #2 and take a ride through the garden state and you will get a very expensive education in the differences between the two.
                                Trust me I will never do it also I will take your education lesson on here as to it lol but i was just wondering because of all my years running off-road diesel I have never seen this!
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