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    I been contacted to bid snow removal and landscaping for a few shopping malls. I dont have a problem figuring the landscaping numbers.

    The issue is what kind of equipment is needed for snow removal? By the looks I need a loader at each site with at least 2 trucks. Without the loader 3-5 trucks?

    I do have a skid and a buddy has a kubota. These both seem to small for the bigger lot but would be sufficient for the smaller 2. I could get a dozer by winter.

    Not looking for prices but how long you think it will take on a average storm with various equipment?

    1 is 259,253 sq ft.

    2 is 117,916 sq ft

    3 is 117,986 sq ft

    http://g.co/maps/s47g7
    http://g.co/maps/t2ctk
    http://g.co/maps/8zepq
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    I been contacted to bid snow removal and landscaping for a few shopping malls. I dont have a problem figuring the landscaping numbers.

    The issue is what kind of equipment is needed for snow removal? By the looks I need a loader at each site with at least 2 trucks. Without the loader 3-5 trucks?

    I do have a skid and a buddy has a kubota. These both seem to small for the bigger lot but would be sufficient for the smaller 2. I could get a dozer by winter.

    Not looking for prices but how long you think it will take on a average storm with various equipment?

    1 is 259,253 sq ft.

    2 is 117,916 sq ft

    3 is 117,986 sq ft

    http://g.co/maps/s47g7
    http://g.co/maps/t2ctk
    http://g.co/maps/8zepq
    Man you are going to need some big equipment, I have a tractor and take care of a lot about the size of the second and third one. With little to no snow it takes over an hour to plow and sand. A another issue I can see you having is unless you have some place to keep your sand dry it could be an issue. We use about 1200 lbs of sand each time. There is no way I would even think about trying to plow any of these lots with a truck, that is not to say that a truck couldn't plow any of these lots but if you have a good winter you are going to run out of places to put the stuff. And if you get a heavy snow it going to slow you way down.
    Do you have to take on all three or can you take on one and work up to the others? Are there sidewalks that are going to have to be cleared?

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    • #3
      Do you have to take on all three or can you take on one and work up to the others? Are there sidewalks that are going to have to be cleared?
      I told them I could bid them all but only can handle snow removal for one. The biggest is the closest and the sidewalks are covered by a overhang.

      The smaller ones do have walks. I have to go measure them when I prepare the landscaping bid.

      I did contact a few excavation companies to see if they would sub for me. If I can at least get a tractor on each of them. I can do the rest with trucks and skids.

      The thing is I was doing a 60,000 sq ft office building this winter and was out of there in 1-1 1/2 hours. So I was thinking with 2 dedicated trucks and a skid. I could finish it in less then 2.(smaller lots of course)

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      • #4
        I been contacted to bid snow removal and landscaping for a few shopping malls. I dont have a problem figuring the landscaping numbers.

        The issue is what kind of equipment is needed for snow removal? By the looks I need a loader at each site with at least 2 trucks. Without the loader 3-5 trucks?

        I do have a skid and a buddy has a kubota. These both seem to small for the bigger lot but would be sufficient for the smaller 2. I could get a dozer by winter.

        Not looking for prices but how long you think it will take on a average storm with various equipment?

        1 is 259,253 sq ft.

        2 is 117,916 sq ft

        3 is 117,986 sq ft

        http://g.co/maps/s47g7
        http://g.co/maps/t2ctk
        http://g.co/maps/8zepq


        you can take the idea of a dozer right out of your head because if it does not destroy the parking lot it won't get any traction unless it is rubber tracks.

        i use pusher boxes for my skid steers and they increase the swath size but they don't pile snow worth a hoot.

        a full size backhoe or payloader with pusher boxes is the best bet.

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        • #5
          you can take the idea of a dozer right out of your head because if it does not destroy the parking lot it won't get any traction unless it is rubber tracks.

          i use pusher boxes for my skid steers and they increase the swath size but they don't pile snow worth a hoot.

          a full size backhoe or payloader with pusher boxes is the best bet.
          Yeah but how many? I think I can do the smaller lots with 2-3 dedicated trucks in a few hours. The bigger one my buddy swears he can do by himself with 3 trucks and a kubota. I doubt that!

          The other thing is I was doing a condo complex across the street from the 6 acre lot and never once seen a loader there. Usually youll see one parked there with pusher boxes and buckets.

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          • #6
            On the big lot I would have two big paylaoders. On the smaller lots I would have one bigger tractor 40 HP or bigger and a smaller one to clean corners and walks. One tractor can do the work of two trucks in half the time. But it sounds like you have a plan good luck with it.

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            • #7
              Yeah but how many? I think I can do the smaller lots with 2-3 dedicated trucks in a few hours. The bigger one my buddy swears he can do by himself with 3 trucks and a kubota. I doubt that!

              The other thing is I was doing a condo complex across the street from the 6 acre lot and never once seen a loader there. Usually youll see one parked there with pusher boxes and buckets.


              on the bigger 6 acre lot you would be able to handle with 2 or 3 trucks and one large loader it all depends on how fast you need it done.

              if the lot is pretty open the snow gets heavy real fast and it gets to the point where you have so much snow in front of you you can not take a full blades width and you start killing the truck.
              the main reason for the loader is to bust through those piles and push them where they need to be.

              on the big lots you usually have to put all the snow in a couple different locations and the loader can pile it up high to make room for future snowstorms.

              i am sure if i wanted to i could get anything done with a kubota but how long is it gonna take and at some point it will have trouble on a big lot because it does not weigh much more then a truck.

              i would assume that you would be hireing subs with machines for that aspect so all you need to do is establish what you would pay them per hour and throw your fee on it.

              the big snow guy that i know subs out all the machine work and pretty much most of the truck plowing and he has 9 trucks with salters that cover each route and supervise as well as do all the salting in house.

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              • #8
                I just visited one of the sites to quote the landscaping work. I came up with 8400 sq ft of beds. This is suppose to be at a depth of 2". So I have to order 52 yards of mulch? That is ridonkulous! I need a mulch shooter.

                The previous landscaper only put about 1/2" down. I can see why but I bet he charged for 50 something.

                I talked to a employee at the 6 acre lot. He said that he seen a backhoe once in the 8'' storm we had. So as I expected, they only used the heavy equipment to stack and when it would be to much for the trucks.
                Last edited by SECTLANDSCAPING; 03-17-2012, 10:04 PM.

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