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    Here is a few project Pictures:

    This is the very first fish pond I had made, it was back in April for the customer, while it was dug with the mini excavator the work around it and the lawn were done with the 2520 tractor and box blade. Sorry I donít have any before pics, we were so swamped back then that pictures of job sites just didnít happen.

    This lady called me back to clear and chip more wood, we had three chippers and 12 staff at this site for two weeks this summer, they are super clients, anyhow her husband is overseas until May and she wanted a weeks worth of work, I needed a change from excavation so I went to help some of the guys for today and tomorrow.

    Also bought a new tractor today, Curtis cab and heated cab, I honestly did not even ask for the model, all I know is itís the same as my 2520 but an older model, had 900 hours and is a repo, when Deere called me with the price I could not say now, believe me itís dirt cheap, has an angle plow and bucket, I havenít even seen it yet, being delivered tomorrow, I bought it as my sales guy would never steer me wrong and he said itís mint and if you want to buy it for cash, JD Credit will give you a smoking deal and it was, I was shocked..

    I need another tractor with a loader and cab so I can do more work in the rain as the orders are still coming in every day, and they are not small jobs. Also ordered a 50D Excavator and a 3 ton truck, everything will be here next week, I know itís late in the season but I have 24 excavation/tractor jobs and access to lots of staff from the University, most of which are trained so I pulled the trigger.

    Anyhow this is our largest chipper, 8" with a Kubota Diesel, forget the hp, think its around 40.
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    Andy
    Halifax, Nova Scotia

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    Very nice job! How did you power the pond pump? Did you have to run a line up to the house? What kind of connection did you have to make?

    How long did it take to build it? Did you have to use a pond liner?



    I also can't wait to see some pictures of what you ordered!
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    • #3
      Very nice job! How did you power the pond pump? Did you have to run a line up to the house? What kind of connection did you have to make?

      How long did it take to build it? Did you have to use a pond liner?



      I also can't wait to see some pictures of what you ordered!
      I dug a small trench for power then had an electrician come in and hook things up.

      The pond digging was three hours, six hours work around the pond and three hours for the rocks, it has a liner they ordered from a commercial company that makes any size, my blacksmith friend made the Herring in the centre.
      Andy
      Halifax, Nova Scotia

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      • #4
        This is the very first fish pond I had made, it was back in April for the customer, while it was dug with the mini excavator the work around it and the lawn were done with the 2520 tractor and box blade.
        Sometimes when we experiment with things we look back at older projects and wish we could have done this or that to it. Looking back at the project now, would you have done anything differently about it?

        The herring is fantastic! He must be very talented and it must be a blast to walk through his work shop. I bet he makes amazing pieces of art.

        Also bought a new tractor today, Curtis cab and heated cab, I honestly did not even ask for the model, all I know is itís the same as my 2520 but an older model, had 900 hours and is a repo, when Deere called me with the price I could not say now, believe me itís dirt cheap, has an angle plow and bucket, I havenít even seen it yet, being delivered tomorrow, I bought it as my sales guy would never steer me wrong and he said itís mint and if you want to buy it for cash, JD Credit will give you a smoking deal and it was, I was shocked..

        I need another tractor with a loader and cab so I can do more work in the rain as the orders are still coming in every day, and they are not small jobs. Also ordered a 50D Excavator and a 3 ton truck, everything will be here next week
        I can't wait to see pics of all these new additions
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        • #5
          Sometimes when we experiment with things we look back at older projects and wish we could have done this or that to it. Looking back at the project now, would you have done anything differently about it?

          The herring is fantastic! He must be very talented and it must be a blast to walk through his work shop. I bet he makes amazing pieces of art.



          I can't wait to see pics of all these new additions
          Some projects I would have done different, not many, I like anyone make mistakes, most of mine were in the bidding and time to do the job, managing the client expectations but for the most part when I look back there is only one tree job that I really regret although the client and I had a very long conversation and he agreed to pay more although I help I lost on that job but that is how we learn.

          I am doing the drainage job from hell right now, it's 7 1/2 feet deep, what happened is they built a school one block over, the blasting changed the water tables in the granite, this client is pumping 240 gallons of water every 24 hours, I had to dig deep to find the issue as the ground at surface is very dry, I found it about an hour ago and it is insane and the yard is a friggin mess, the benefit is I have both the wife and husband involved every step and we talk about the progress, they fed us supper and just before we left we had a beer and talked about things in general, super clients.

          Four neighbours have the same type of issues and they have come to talk to us, with the new equipment and four more staff starting Tuesday we should be able to help them.

          The new gear is here and in the yard, looks nice however I am working from sunrise to late evenings as we can dig in the dark, the lighting on excavators is amazing.

          The new trailer didn't pass safety inspection, I guess there has been some changes in that the safety chains have to be 3/8" and be on the outside of thetrailer frame and the cable for the emergency brakes if not the proper size, Deere is looking after it.

          I haven't driven the tractor or the new truck yet, I have to take a day next week and get everything legal, then it has to go for lettering Wednesday and should be on the road Thursday.

          We also bought a new Bearcat Diesel chipper, it's a 10" 46 HP Diesel, $34,000. we have a lot of tree jobs on the go and if we do not get too much snow they can work through the winter.

          Sometime when life settles down in a month I can write what I woud have done different, I will post pics tomorrow of this drain, it's not a pretty site in that we have a serious mess on our hands but the client understands and is simply happy it will be fixed, they have two Hummers on the driveway and never did ask for a quote, they saw our work on another site and simply asked if I would take their problem on, I did because this is a serious challange for everyone, including me.

          Off to get a few hours sleep

          Andy
          Andy
          Halifax, Nova Scotia

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          • #6
            The herring is fantastic! He must be very talented and it must be a blast to walk through his work shop. I bet he makes amazing pieces of art.
            I started Scott in business....15+ years ago, we are very close friends, here is his work

            http://www.scotianironworks.com/main.htm
            Andy
            Halifax, Nova Scotia

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            • #7
              Scott is truly a craftsman! WOW that is fun stuff to look at.

              When you have problems with the water table like this, what can you possibly do with all this water, just give it a path to exit above ground and then into a drain somewhere?

              That sounds like an amazing amount of water to have to pump. I certainly hope they are up high on a hill
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              • #8
                Scott is truly a craftsman! WOW that is fun stuff to look at.

                When you have problems with the water table like this, what can you possibly do with all this water, just give it a path to exit above ground and then into a drain somewhere?

                That sounds like an amazing amount of water to have to pump. I certainly hope they are up high on a hill
                This is the worst mess I have seen and now other people on the street are stopping and telling me they have the same problem, you see our ground is mainly bedrock, some places at surface, some places it could be down 9 feet.

                When you blast, vibrations can travel for miles, this is why you can no longer blast a well to open water tables as it can effect a well 5 streets over.

                This is the most serious mess I have gotten into, client is just happy we are finding the problem, this issue for me is it's dangerous, digging a trench 8 feet deep with that much water causes the walls to cave, I can't go back and dig again to clean it out and doing it manually is impossible, you will see why when I post pictures.

                Scott is amazing as is his work and a very close friend.

                I have the grade to deal with the water, they live next to a lake, I dug first near the lake a 10 foot deep hole to see if the lake was the issue, it was dry and perfect soil, even at 10 feet.

                This is an expensive job but like the client said $40,000 damage to my basement will not compare to you fixing the problem.

                Anyhow buddy, I have to head to work, we start at 9 on Sundays.
                Andy
                Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                • #9
                  Excavating seems to be a very different business than landscaping in the fact that you can't see what is going on underground until you start digging. A project could be simple or it could become very complicated.

                  With a situation like this, when you think it is going to be one thing and it ends up becoming a huge project it must reaffirm to you this is why it must be billed by the hour.

                  In such situations I guess the homeowner has to be prepared to either pay to get it fixed fully or the problem with persist and it is up to them whether they want the work to continue.

                  But this is something you explain to them up front. And If you just bid a fixed price, one job, that became a big mess, could potentially put you out of business.
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                  • #10
                    Excavating seems to be a very different business than landscaping in the fact that you can't see what is going on underground until you start digging. A project could be simple or it could become very complicated.

                    With a situation like this, when you think it is going to be one thing and it ends up becoming a huge project it must reaffirm to you this is why it must be billed by the hour.

                    In such situations I guess the homeowner has to be prepared to either pay to get it fixed fully or the problem with persist and it is up to them whether they want the work to continue.

                    But this is something you explain to them up front. And If you just bid a fixed price, one job, that became a big mess, could potentially put you out of business.
                    You nailed it Steve, one job like I am doing above, quoted per foot per drain, I would have lost at least $12,000 compared to a normal drain, i priced this by the hour and the client is still smmiling although this will run close to $24,000 by the time I am done.
                    Andy
                    Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                    • #11
                      In a situation like this, I am guessing the home has a basement below ground a bit? Because of that the water just seaps in through the walls?

                      What would stop them in a situation like this from using a larger sump pump to keep it dry? Or is that just not possible due to the volume of water?
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                      • #12
                        In a situation like this, I am guessing the home has a basement below ground a bit? Because of that the water just seaps in through the walls?

                        What would stop them in a situation like this from using a larger sump pump to keep it dry? Or is that just not possible due to the volume of water?
                        When you build a home you put a footing in for the basement walls then generally 6 to 8" of clear stone where the floor will be poured, the problem here is what we refer to as Hydraulic pressure, it simply means there is so much water under the floor under pressure it will find or make a crack and come up through which is what it did. Now you have what we call 4" drain pipe on the outside around the house but it has to be plugged somewhere and digging it up is not an option, you would have to see the house to really understand.

                        We come in to find where the water is coming from and divert it away from the house, this is an extreme case, generally you will find small springs and they are easy to deal with, we found the spring or where the water is coming from however its basically a small underground brook.

                        I think I mentioned I put a sump pump at the head of my drain yesterday as a test, 1 1/2" pipe attached, it could not even begin to keep up with the water flow, I have never seen anything like this nor have others I talked to in this business.
                        Andy
                        Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                        • #13
                          With the underground pressure to push this water up, once it is diverted, over time will the pressure lower? Will there be less water flow because the water table is lowered or does that not happen?
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                          • #14
                            With the underground pressure to push this water up, once it is diverted, over time will the pressure lower? Will there be less water flow because the water table is lowered or does that not happen?
                            Smarter than you think!!!

                            Yes, it can be immediate which is rare, generally speaking one to four weeks, if you have an issue at four weeks then you did not find the problem.

                            Water will flow the path of least resistance, you are introducing a new option if you will that is easier, it can take a few days for the water to ctah on but then you have the issue nailed.
                            Andy
                            Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                            • #15
                              That is very fascinating.

                              When you are interacting with the home owner, how much of this do they ask you about or do they just ask for you to fix it? You could potentially really give them a lesson on the topic and I do wonder how they would react to all that knowledge! Especially when it is immediately effecting them,
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