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    Im lookin in to doin a big job it is a cemetery and its 258 acres with 180000 head stones anyone has a guess how many ppl this would take to do weekly??
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    Im lookin in to doin a big job it is a cemetery and its 258 acres with 180000 head stones anyone has a guess how many ppl this would take to do weekly??
    Personally four guys on trimmers and two on mowers, maybe three. That is a massive job.
    Andy
    Halifax, Nova Scotia

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    • #3
      Personally four guys on trimmers and two on mowers, maybe three. That is a massive job.
      yea we can only do 8 hours a day no o/t only 7-4:30 mon-fri... dont you think itd take like at least 15 ppl to do this or no?
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      • #4
        .

        Do you plan on knocking out the whole job in one day?

        How many head stones can one of your employees trim per minute?

        and what size equipment can u use? can you knock out an acre per hour?

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          Do you plan on knocking out the whole job in one day?

          How many head stones can one of your employees trim per minute?

          and what size equipment can u use? can you knock out an acre per hour?
          no its gotta be mon-fri 40 hrs a week.... i would assume 3-4 stones a minute prolly 2 z turn a 60" and a 72" and 2 walk behinds like a 36" and a 54".. idk what i can do per hour there ive nvr done anything like it
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          • #6
            estimate

            3 stones per min x 60 min = 180 stones per hour
            180000 stones / by 180 per hour = 1000 hours for trimming

            1000 man hours / by 40 hours a week = 25 guys on trimming 40 hrs/week

            If it helps I used to work for a lawn company and we mowed two cemetaries. One bigger than the other. Two man crew. One of us mowed while the other trimmed. On each we spent about the same amount of time trimming as we did mowing.

            If it holds true, then I would say 50 people. but you don't have 25 mowers to be running while the trimmers are running. That is a huge area!
            Last edited by JP Landscaping; 02-21-2010, 12:40 AM.

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            • #7
              no its gotta be mon-fri 40 hrs a week.... i would assume 3-4 stones a minute prolly 2 z turn a 60" and a 72" and 2 walk behinds like a 36" and a 54".. idk what i can do per hour there ive nvr done anything like it
              I guess I would almost have to see it to see how much open area there is, My ZTR has a 72" Deck however I can add Bat wings which is what a neighbour did as he has a few school contracts, I ran into him one morning out walking our dogs and asked what his ZTR will mow per hour with the wings as it's the same as we have except I do not have wings, he said his operator averages around 7 acres per hour however in your case the wings would probably not work for the headstone area.

              I read a post a long time ago in another forum where the guy was doing a cemetery, he had bought the Dr. Trimmer which is self propelled, main reason here was efficiency in that the operator would not tire near as fast compared to a regular trimmer, this would increase the number of stones you could do per hour however I have no idea how many it would do but if they are lined up fairly well it would be a lot.

              If you have to hire 25 to 50 people the operating costs are going to be very steep, Workers Comp, Pension and Unemployment Insurance here is a major thorn in my side and workers comp is tied not only to gross sales but also to the number of employees. That being said in a case like yours if I won the contract, I would have the equipment lined up that would offer the greatest efficiency for the job, mowers that would just fit between the stones, bat wings for open areas, self propelled trimmers etc.

              We drive by this cemetery a few times a week as one of my employees lives two blocks from it, the company that mows it has two ZTR's and I have only ever seen two guys trimming and one walk behind, they do it in a day with five guys, it's 50 acres. Perhaps I should say in all the times I have driven buy I have never seen more than five guys working there unless they are doing the flower beds which are massive, I seem to recall I counted 8 workers in total. They were also using walk behind trimmers which cut a 20" path which I would think would save a lot of mowing time also.

              http://www.oakridge-cemetery.ca/
              Andy
              Halifax, Nova Scotia

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              • #8
                That is one massive area man.

                That's 11,238,480 square feet of lawn to cut!



                You'd need these guys ^

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                • #9
                  I used to work for a lawn company and we mowed two cemetaries. One bigger than the other. Two man crew. One of us mowed while the other trimmed. On each we spent about the same amount of time trimming as we did mowing.
                  Do you know how big of an area this job was? Or how much they billed for it? How long the job took?
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                  • #10
                    Wish you the best

                    I wish you luck with the estimate! If you do get it, you can make serious money just from that alone. At least 25 guys working for you just on that job full-time. That's at least 1000 billable hours weekly!

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                    • #11
                      thanks all and yea I stoo dont know on how many ppl and as far as pay for this it is set by the u.s. gov. min. pay is a little over 15 an hr and top is 20 an hr and supervisor is 24 an hr... i believe we came up with roughly 450k a yr in mark up profit and labor.... that would be a good start for a new company ... but yea im still thinkin myself prolly 25 and 4 ppl mowing and the rest trimming...
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                      • #12
                        That is one massive area man.

                        That's 11,238,480 square feet of lawn to cut!



                        You'd need these guys ^
                        yea its retarded huge haha and yea itd be nice if they all had weed wackers in their hands!
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                          I guess I would almost have to see it to see how much open area there is, My ZTR has a 72" Deck however I can add Bat wings which is what a neighbour did as he has a few school contracts, I ran into him one morning out walking our dogs and asked what his ZTR will mow per hour with the wings as it's the same as we have except I do not have wings, he said his operator averages around 7 acres per hour however in your case the wings would probably not work for the headstone area.

                          I read a post a long time ago in another forum where the guy was doing a cemetery, he had bought the Dr. Trimmer which is self propelled, main reason here was efficiency in that the operator would not tire near as fast compared to a regular trimmer, this would increase the number of stones you could do per hour however I have no idea how many it would do but if they are lined up fairly well it would be a lot.

                          If you have to hire 25 to 50 people the operating costs are going to be very steep, Workers Comp, Pension and Unemployment Insurance here is a major thorn in my side and workers comp is tied not only to gross sales but also to the number of employees. That being said in a case like yours if I won the contract, I would have the equipment lined up that would offer the greatest efficiency for the job, mowers that would just fit between the stones, bat wings for open areas, self propelled trimmers etc.

                          We drive by this cemetery a few times a week as one of my employees lives two blocks from it, the company that mows it has two ZTR's and I have only ever seen two guys trimming and one walk behind, they do it in a day with five guys, it's 50 acres. Perhaps I should say in all the times I have driven buy I have never seen more than five guys working there unless they are doing the flower beds which are massive, I seem to recall I counted 8 workers in total. They were also using walk behind trimmers which cut a 20" path which I would think would save a lot of mowing time also.

                          http://www.oakridge-cemetery.ca/
                          im lookin into a bat wing didnt kno u could use one on a ztr
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                          • #14
                            im lookin into a bat wing didnt kno u could use one on a ztr
                            If it were late spring or early summer and he had his out I would take a picture, it is something to see on a trailer with the wings up, if you have lots of space at this place it might be an idea for a tow unit as I know from asking the sales guy about his set up that they are available also.
                            Andy
                            Halifax, Nova Scotia

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                            • #15
                              Lawn Prices

                              How do you charge for mowing ,trimming and blowing and how much do you for those types of sevices ?
                              Cubcadet ztr
                              husquvarna blower craftsman professional series trimmer w/ homade harness
                              60 gallon fimco pull type sprayer

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