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  • #16
    Here let me answer your comments.

    ok since oil amounts are just recommendations I should just mix mine 200:1 it would save a lot of money on oil right... WRONG they are not suggestions they are instructions and if you read your instruction manual you will find this out.

    And when you have a failure you should send the product back to the manufacture so they can prove it is a oil product that caused the failure. Yeah the only thing a mechanic can will see is that it was lack of oil that caused the failure(could be caused by the 100:1 mix being less oil then the 50:1 they were supposed to be using) causing the user to fit the bill for the shipping to the factory to tell them the same thing as the dealer told them.

    Also since when is amsoil FD rated? Unless my memory is off JASO is the only ones testing 2cycle oil at this time. So when Amsoil tested? You will see a logo like this if it was.. Saying something is for use in an FD application is different from act being tested at that level. I can say I have the IQ of a MENSA member but until I have the membership papers I can not prove it to be so.

    And honestly it was the sabor ad that caused me to fire up just have been busy working on a new website and did not answer till the other one caught me on a bad day.

    I have amsoil products as well, not in my webstore as I do not currently ship oil but I do not recommend products that I think will shorten the life of equipment. And mixing oil at 100:1 in my opinion will shorten the life of your 2cycle.
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    • #17
      Using AMSOIL Saber Professional (ATP) or AMSOIL Saber Outboard (ATO) at 100:1 mix ratios, where 50:1 is recommended by the manufacturer, will not void warranties. For more information, contact AMSOIL Technical Services at (715) 399-8324.

      If you knew you had a lubrication failure why did you not send it to Amsoil?

      I never said Saber had an FD rating, but it has an FD equivalent. Amsoil can not make claims, such as "specifically designed for small engines including, but not limited to, chainsaws, lawn equipment, blowers, chop saws, pumps, scooters, and go-carts," "Saber Professional is recommended for pre-mix where ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD or API TC is specified." Again, Amsoil can not make these claims if they are not accurate. Amsoil is not going to risk being sued or made liable by making false claims.

      So as I mentioned it has a rating that meets or exceeds the JASO FD specification and is multi-functional product. I have commercial customers who love Saber and have never had any problems with their equipment or product. Some run 100:1 and some run 50:1. I do not recommend one ratio over the other when discussing this product. Amsoil states with Saber you can run 100:1, 80:1, and 50:1 so choose whatever you feel comfortable with when mixing.

      The Saber data bulletin is attached in this discussion if you would like to review the legally binding claims made by Amsoil.

      Thanks for the comments and posts. If you have more questions, concerns, or comments feel free.
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      • #18
        ok who is amsoil rated by and how is this an equivalent rating? Last I checked JACO was the only rating system available to 2cycle oils. If not since they say it is equivalent why not get it rated by JACO?

        number two my understanding from reading the Moss act is that you do not have to use the recommended oil for a piece of equipment but still have to service the equipment within the specified standards. This is also backed up with the Amsoil warranty that states that amsoil will not cover the following.

        Failure of equipment when AMSOIL lubricants are not used in strict accordance with either the written recom-
        mendations of AMSOIL INC. or the OEM for warranty coverage. The customer or user is solely responsible for
        determining a product’s merchantability or fitness (“suitability”) for a particular purpose and assumes all risks
        and liabilities when used other than in strict accordance with either the written recommendations of AMSOIL
        or the OEM for warranty coverage.


        I will agree you still have a warranty after using amsoil HOWEVER a lack of lubrication issue(the only issues this oil could cause) will not be covered and the dealer can not fight with the manufacture for you when you do not mix you oil to the correct specs. It will then be up to you to fight amsoil in court if they do not approve it to get your equipment covered. I have said the same stuff about opti oil and will stick by my statement OIL IS CHEAP TAKE CARE OF YOUR EQUIPMENT and if you use sabor to 50:1 you will find it very expensive.
        Last edited by wandfsmall; 02-17-2012, 11:35 AM.
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        • #19
          As we both have mentioned cost plays a big factor in any business deal, that would be my guess as to why Amsoil has not gotten Saber spec'd with a JASO rating. It is not cost effective, to constantly be re-certifying products when a manufacture makes an adjustment. Amsoil makes the adjustment through their own certification and then is able to publicly make the claim that their product meets or exceeds the JASO rating.

          Again, Amsoil can not make claims about any of their products if they have not been tested, modified, re-tested, re-modified, etc. It is not logical to think Amsoil would just whip together this product and say - yep, that will meet JASO FD rating specifications. There is too much liability in doing that.

          I agree there is some consumer responsibility in choosing the appropriate product. As you've mentioned, putting water in your equipment as a lubrication method. That would not be a responsible consumer choice, because the equipment will require oil.

          Amsoil claims you can run Saber at 100:1 in any application or recommended ratio. That claim is a legal binding statement. If you want to run richer than 100:1, go for it, it is your preference and there's nothing wrong with that. If you want to run richer than 100:1 we have other oils that may better fit your confidence in your lubrication. It is the same with drain intervals in your truck. Some guys go 15,000+ miles on one oil change, others get their oil analyzed and run 45,000+, change their filter and keep going, then you have those that are not comfortable with more than 3000 miles and change it then. All the Amsoil claims and products are tested and modified to meet manufacturer recommendations. But you can not say that it will void your warranty, ruin your equipment, etc. because it has been certified and approved to meet or exceed the manufactures recommendations.

          I agree oil is insurance for your equipment, so do you really want to cheap out and not use something that is going to make your equipment run cleaner, more efficient, produce better wear, and extend the life.
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          • #20
            I forgot to tell you...I have been in contact with Briggs & Stratton and this is what they had to say about the Amsoil partnership.
            Matt, It’s a lot to say but an awesome product. This will be available in a couple of weeks. I would say look for information on our website – www.briggsracing.com and Amsoil’s site in the near future – www.Amsoil.com.

            Best regards,

            Dave
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            • #21
              Small engine companies rated their own engine horsepower till they got sued from the tests being rigged. Cigarette companies had tests that showed cigarettes were good for your health. Forgive me but I do not trust companies self testing products anymore, I am not for government regulations but I do not trust everything I read on a bottle. Did you now PB blaster makes a product called Mower Tune Up that will give an engine more compression when you spray it into the engine, it will also clean the carburetor at the same time.(true product claim) I know you are trying to sell the product but if you trust every product claim you read you have issues.

              I use amsoil products in fact my camaro has had amsoil since it got out of the break-in without any exception. I just have a hard time with 100:1 oil mix, and I only recommend what I will personally use. As for the Briggs comment did you really expect a company to say a product is crap that they are selling, even if it is the worst product on the market they will still say it is great as long as they are selling it.
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              • #22
                I'm not taking Amsoil's word for it, I have experience using Saber as well as commercial customers who love it.
                As I said before, if you don't feel comfortable with the claims on the bottle, don't use the product. Amsoil makes other 2-cycle oils that will mix at 50:1. I don't believe all the claims I read on a bottle, but I am open minded enough to give something a try to see if it works. Why do you discredit and criticize the claims just because you have a preference of running a richer mix.

                I fully expect Briggs & Stratton to tell me the truth about the lubrication products they are putting in their equipment. Again, it is a liability issue for them to use sub-quality lubrication for the sake of saving money and then telling people it is an awesome product.

                Thanks for your posts and comments.
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                • #23
                  Why do you discredit and criticize the claims just because you have a preference of running a richer mix.
                  Because I am the person that they go complaining to when the product fails. I am the one that has to explain to the customer that lack of lubrication is not a warranty issue. I am the one that listens to the customer tell me how someone in a forum told them that the product would be covered under warranty and to read the Mos act informing me that it is. GUESS WHAT I HAVE READ IT AND IT DOES NOT COVER NOT FOLLOWING MANUFACTURES INSTRUCTIONS IT JUST SAYS THEY CAN NOT MAKE YOU BUY THEIR OIL OR SERVICE AT THE DEALER.

                  Here are the fact of 100:1 oil mixs you have oils that have NOT been tested by JACO(THE ONLY INDEPENDENT TESTING ATHORITY THAT DOES 2CYCLE OIL) to meet the required standards of your equipment. But we are to believe that it is ok on the sole word that the company tells us that it is better then the products and they just do not feel the need to prove it. They even write leading us to think that it has been tested on the bottle by listing the certification saying the meet or exceed it, when they have never been tested for this standard.
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                  • #24
                    I'm a little confused by the last post, I guess I don't get what your saying. It is obvious you don't like Saber 100:1 mix and you don't recommend using a 100:1 mix because that is too lean for you. I hear what your saying, I haven't had any problems with it in any of my applications nor have my customers, so from my experience and my customers experience, I still recommend it. If you have problems with it don't continue using it. There are many other factors that can cause equipment problems in your mix, such as ethanol, type of use. I understand that your customers are going to come back to you if you recommend a product and they have problems with it; guess what mine will too. Let's move on.

                    Thanks for your posts and comments.
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                    • #25
                      Amsoil Warranty

                      I thought after the last conversation it would be fitting to post the Amsoil Warranty Policy. Maybe we can spark some discussion on interpretation.

                      Again thanks for all the posts, comments, and questions.

                      Matt

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                      • #26
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                        • #27
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                          • #28
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                            • #29
                              Oil Depot Relocation Announcement

                              Dear Oil Depot Customers,



                              We are pleased to announce that we will be transitioning into a new store over April 23rd-30th, 2012 and our official opening day is May 1st, 2012. Our new store is conveniently located at I-35 & Johnson Drive in Merriam, Kansas. Our new address is:



                              9404 Johnson Drive

                              Merriam, KS 66203



                              We will continue to use the current telephone and fax numbers, which are:



                              Tel: 913 - 484 - 0251

                              Fax: 877 - 904 - 7006



                              Our website is unchanged and remains www.myoildepot.com and my email is unchanged as well Matt@myoildepot.com



                              As always, we strive to maintain the highest level of customer service and satisfaction so if there is anything you need during our transition period please do not hesitate to call and we will do our best to serve you. Check out our website and please “Like” us on Facebook for exclusive deals, discounts, and promotions.



                              We look forward to seeing you at our new shop!!
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                              • #30

                                Saber
                                A 100:1 Pre-Mix product, which takes the guessing work out of mixing a ratio. It is compatible with all small 2 cycle equipment specifying ISO-L-EGD, JASO FD, or API TC.

                                Excellent for chain saws, lawn equipment, blowers, chop saws, pumps, augers, scooters, go-carts, motorcycles, snowmobiles, and ATVs.
                                Not many here use small enough amounts of mixed oil and gas to buy a premixed it would just eat way to much into our profits
                                Chris Hoeltke
                                serving Winchester Virginia and surrounding areas
                                C&S Lawn Service

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