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  • #31
    You read all 45 pages, and all you took away was "install WP on your own server with the SEO plugin"?

    If so, I either failed you by not writing it in Crayon, or you missed 44 and 3/4 pages.

    To your despair, after thinking long and hard about ever coming back here to "throw pearls before swine", I have decided to resist the faceless bully's and continue to offer proven, time tested internet (Oh my God, he's talking about marketing again, hide the children) techniques that readers of this forum can put into practice, and use.

    Hopefully, the clamor of ignorance will not over ride my main intent to provide actionable techniques to acquire a larger customer base for the MAJORITY of readers.

    To my detractors, sorry 'bout yer luck. I look forward to exposing your ridicule for what it really is: bald tires and no money.

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    • #32
      You read all 45 pages, and all you took away was "install WP on your own server with the SEO plugin"?

      If so, I either failed you by not writing it in Crayon, or you missed 44 and 3/4 pages.

      To your despair, after thinking long and hard about ever coming back here to "throw pearls before swine", I have decided to resist the faceless bully's and continue to offer proven, time tested internet (Oh my God, he's talking about marketing again, hide the children) techniques that readers of this forum can put into practice, and use.

      Hopefully, the clamor of ignorance will not over ride my main intent to provide actionable techniques to acquire a larger customer base for the MAJORITY of readers.

      To my detractors, sorry 'bout yer luck. I look forward to exposing your ridicule for what it really is: bald tires and no money.
      hahahahaha. Go rip people off by selling them some great programming and coding made by other peoples blood sweat and tears that offer it for free. Anyone with half a brain can do what you do.(FOR FREE)
      Im done with you and your crooked ways. MY LAST RESPONSE
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      • #33
        You read all 45 pages, and all you took away was "install WP on your own server with the SEO plugin"?

        If so, I either failed you by not writing it in Crayon, or you missed 44 and 3/4 pages.

        To your despair, after thinking long and hard about ever coming back here to "throw pearls before swine", I have decided to resist the faceless bully's and continue to offer proven, time tested internet (Oh my God, he's talking about marketing again, hide the children) techniques that readers of this forum can put into practice, and use.

        Hopefully, the clamor of ignorance will not over ride my main intent to provide actionable techniques to acquire a larger customer base for the MAJORITY of readers.

        To my detractors, sorry 'bout yer luck. I look forward to exposing your ridicule for what it really is: bald tires and no money.
        Wow.. PUT IT TO REST! You have got to be the worst salesman ever!

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        • #34
          I think I had jumped in before on this post or others in the past but I figured I should try and help.

          First off, I have to say I know very little on what it takes to make a forum work. There are plenty of others who know way more than me.

          But when it comes to forums, I think it is all about knowledge and entertainment. It's like a neighborhood bar that has a focus on growing a business. I think Craig knows a lot on the topic of search engine optimization. I think he has a lot of great information to share and he has shared.

          If I were to be offering his service, I think I would try to to something that involved more entertaining. Something like a reality show. Where you could tune in and watch someone's business improve over time.

          We probably talked about this before but to me that is entertaining. To me nothing would make me want his services more than being able to see him time and time again take a newer lawn care business and work his seo magic to get the business owner's website ringing off the hook.

          He did amazing work with his previous websites and he could do it again with others. I think the key is creating constant new entertainment because there are always so many new forum members joining every day.

          If there was a continual ongoing saga where we could watch this or that lawn care business owner battler competitors and have their website search rankings improve, it would create something to talk about. It would also create interest.

          Over time, all of this would create more and more buzz. I know Craig could sell a lot more of his services if more people were to get excited about it and embrace it for what it is, which is fantastic.

          If we were to see over time, him help make business owners more successful, I feel he would have a back log of potential customers just waiting to sign up.

          Ultimately what do I know. Maybe his marketing approach is working just fine for him. But I just think it's all about helping, growing and entertaining and if you can do that, you can sell what ever you want because you will have an audience singing praises about you.

          What do you think?
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          • #35
            Ultimately what do I know. Maybe his marketing approach is working just fine for him. But I just think it's all about helping, growing and entertaining and if you can do that, you can sell what ever you want because you will have an audience singing praises about you.

            What do you think?
            I think your right.
            I dont have a web site yet, but I will have in the future. I am on google maps for my area tho.
            This has not been a good way for him to get even my thoughts about using him as I dont like to deal with people that thinks they know everything and dont listen to what the customer thinks. Sure I know what I am talking about when it comes to doing a lawn or pc repair, but I am always willing to learn more and if a customer suggest something I am not going to start calling them names or try to make them look stupid for what they said or have done.
            I will just help them (in a kind manner) make it right. I might also learn something from what they have done or said and try to use it myself in the future. Because you can always learn more.

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            • #36
              I think I had jumped in before on this post or others in the past but I figured I should try and help.

              First off, I have to say I know very little on what it takes to make a forum work. There are plenty of others who know way more than me.

              But when it comes to forums, I think it is all about knowledge and entertainment. It's like a neighborhood bar that has a focus on growing a business. I think Craig knows a lot on the topic of search engine optimization. I think he has a lot of great information to share and he has shared.

              If I were to be offering his service, I think I would try to to something that involved more entertaining. Something like a reality show. Where you could tune in and watch someone's business improve over time.

              We probably talked about this before but to me that is entertaining. To me nothing would make me want his services more than being able to see him time and time again take a newer lawn care business and work his seo magic to get the business owner's website ringing off the hook.

              He did amazing work with his previous websites and he could do it again with others. I think the key is creating constant new entertainment because there are always so many new forum members joining every day.

              If there was a continual ongoing saga where we could watch this or that lawn care business owner battler competitors and have their website search rankings improve, it would create something to talk about. It would also create interest.

              Over time, all of this would create more and more buzz. I know Craig could sell a lot more of his services if more people were to get excited about it and embrace it for what it is, which is fantastic.

              If we were to see over time, him help make business owners more successful, I feel he would have a back log of potential customers just waiting to sign up.

              Ultimately what do I know. Maybe his marketing approach is working just fine for him. But I just think it's all about helping, growing and entertaining and if you can do that, you can sell what ever you want because you will have an audience singing praises about you.

              What do you think?
              If I understand what you are saying I'll have to say I could not disagree with you more. His behavior (SprinklerRepair's) is nothing short of despicable. No doubt he knows a lot more about search engine optimization than I do and probably more than most of us here. But the one thing that we have all been trying to get into his head is that he is treating potential customers wrong. Matter of fact, totally wrong.

              Here is how bad it is. I am usually slow when it comes to telling someone publicly that they are wrong or that they made a mistake. I will usually either ignore it or discuss it privately. In this case I did not discuss it privately but I did ignore it for some time. There was a time, back before he started being completely ignorant with us here, that I fully intended to use his services after my website is going. Matter of fact, I told the person who will be doing my website about Gopherforum, telling him to come read Sprinkler's posts. That is how much I believed in him. Let me tell you, I have changed my mind. And it has NOTHING to do with whether I believe Sprinkler to be competent enough to make my website the highest ranked on Google in my area. It has EVERYTHING to do with his attitude. EVERYTHING.

              To top it off, I was not too impressed with him taking over someone else's internet traffic with the whole "dothan lawncare caper". If he would have told the real Dothen Lawncare" what he intended to do and that in the end everything would be turned over, that would have been different. That is totally uncalled for, unacceptable, unethical, unprofessional, and everything else that a business should not be. Legal? perhaps. Acceptable? NO!! If that had happened to me I would probably gone and found him and personally kicked his butt or bashed his head in. It is not cool.

              And no part of his stupid ranting, name calling behavior is even remotely to be considered entertainment.

              I know Craig could sell a lot more of his services if more people were to get excited about it and embrace it for what it is, which is fantastic.

              If we were to see over time, him help make business owners more successful, I feel he would have a back log of potential customers just waiting to sign up.
              At this point I have no desire to see his business grow. But let me tell you, it is not my fault, Little's fault, Breeze's fault, nor is it the fault of any one else on this forum (other than Sprinkler's own fault) that he does not have more business. Without a doubt he could have a lot more business if his tactic's were different. It is almost like he is desperate to get more business and this is the result: he treats all his potential customers like dirt. With that being said, a quote by 'Police Chief Grady' from the movie "Super Troopers" comes to mind "Desperation is a stinky cologne".

              Either way, I no longer have any intentions of using his services. Perhaps his marketing is working for him. Or perhaps he needs to re-evaluate them. Oh, and the whole part about "qualifying" his potential customers is nothing but a sales gimmick. I have seen this ploy explained and demonstrated in sales seminars. Let me tell everyone here, don't fall for his stupidity. And sure don't fall for his unethical, unprofessional, unacceptable, ........ well you get the point. The next time you speak to him, tell him he lost at least one customer. And contrary to what he may tell you, this hurts him more than it does me.

              I stand by that,
              Eli

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              • #37
                The fact that you disagree with me so much I think goes to show how much this particular marketing angle has effected you. And obviously not in a happy way.

                It's something we can all learn from.

                It is quite possible that certain marketing messages become a distortion that take away from the potential marketing message.

                The viewer ultimately isn't able to absorb what is really going on because there is too much noise in the message.

                On one side it makes me think of watching the WWE wrestling shows. Where it's always the bad guy that yells and taunts the crowd who gets the most attention. It never seems to be the nice guy. So in that realm, the taunting actually attracts more attention.

                Then I think about how for a while television was full of daytime talk shows that had outrageous topics. The more outrageous you got, the more attention you would get and the higher your ratings would be. Then there was a shake up and out of all that it was Oprah who took the high road and took the top ranked spot. She became a billionaire.

                So when you market a product, you have to weigh this all out and balance it out in your mind.

                I am very glad we are having this discussion.
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                • #38
                  hahaha! I now what you are saying its kinda like the ice cream truck playing gheto music. BUT WOULD HE PLAY IT WHILE NOT IN THE GHETO?
                  MAYBE?
                  By the way they do have gheto music for icecream trucks

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                  • #39
                    The fact that you disagree with me so much I think goes to show how much this particular marketing angle has effected you. And obviously not in a happy way.

                    It's something we can all learn from.

                    It is quite possible that certain marketing messages become a distortion that take away from the potential marketing message.

                    The viewer ultimately isn't able to absorb what is really going on because there is too much noise in the message.

                    On one side it makes me think of watching the WWE wrestling shows. Where it's always the bad guy that yells and taunts the crowd who gets the most attention. It never seems to be the nice guy. So in that realm, the taunting actually attracts more attention.

                    Then I think about how for a while television was full of daytime talk shows that had outrageous topics. The more outrageous you got, the more attention you would get and the higher your ratings would be. Then there was a shake up and out of all that it was Oprah who took the high road and took the top ranked spot. She became a billionaire.

                    So when you market a product, you have to weigh this all out and balance it out in your mind.

                    I am very glad we are having this discussion.
                    Ok, perhaps we can look at it this way. I have a small engine shop in your area. You walk in with your walmart mower. I start calling you a luddite, stupid, know nothing, "non-deserving, unappreciative, non action taking, bonged out, drunk ***, do -it - tomorrow, wait and see, incompetent, inarticulate, way the **** over their heads , small minds, LAPS," stupid", "inbred short bus window lickers", "'90's guy", "horse", "ignorant", "sleazy", "lazy", tell you to "shut up", or refer to you as being out of your time by saying that you "are living in 1998 instead of 2009" with your mower that was well maintained and by none other than me. I walk over to the most expensive mower that we have and tell you to get your a** on this mower and pay me the price for it.

                    I tell you that you have absolutely no mower sense and again reiterate that you are a luddite, stupid, know nothing, "non-deserving, unappreciative, non action taking, bonged out, drunk ***, do -it - tomorrow, wait and see, incompetent, inarticulate, way the **** over their heads , small minds, LAPS," stupid", "inbred short bus window licker", "'90's guy", "horse", "ignorant", "sleazy", "lazy", tell you to "shut up", or refer to you as being out of your time by saying that you "are living in 1998 instead of 2009" and that if not for me you would not know how to shovel your cereal in your big gapping hole that you call a mouth. I tell you that were it not for me you would not even know how to "think" of a mower. Now, are you going to buy the "Grass Slam" mower from me? After I just called you multiple foul names in front of other potential customers? What's further, do you expect my other "potential customers" to stick around for their turn? Not hardly. They will walk out of my store faster than they walked in. And so will you. And you will tell your friends about that guy that just acted like you knew nothing and treated you like dirt. Oh, and by the way, I wanted to charge you $1000 for "services" that are available to you for free..................... You will remember this won't you.

                    Now there are a number of people this may work on. In the Ghetto. But I happen to not be in the Ghetto. But in real life I DO work in the ghetto everyday. But I don't talk like them and they still respect me. Even with that being said, the people in the Ghetto prefer to be treated nice. They may listen to their ghetto music, but whether I play it or not has nothing to do with me calling them names. They will not come back if I start calling them names and telling them that are "dirtbags" and "douches" even though in my mind, they may be. Matter of fact, go down to the ghetto and call them that and see what happens. You may want to have an ambulance and the police close by while you do this. Trust me on this one.

                    Not calling your customers a bunch of names is essentially "business 101". I believe your perspective is wrong (yes, its more than me just disagreeing with you, I believe you are dead wrong here) when it comes to the WWE reference. They buy the wrestlers products and like him because he is fighting and you would expect a fighting person to be a bad boy (or girl). In marketing internet services, website services, or lawn mowers you are not supposed to look and act like a WWE wrestler.

                    I have read numerous books and articles about marketing and specifically the type that we are discussing (not the WWE marketing). All of the articles and books agreed, treat your customers nice. PERIOD. Plus, let me say this, even if the ghetto-ites liked being called all kinds of names by someone who does live in the ghetto, they will not accept it by those outside the ghetto. For example, try telling them to their face that they are living in the ghetto and that the are nothing but ghetto trash and see where that gets you besides the hospital or the funeral home. My point being is that if you are trying to sell someone something you gotta treat them with respect.

                    Ask any of the lawn care guys here if they would dare treat their customers like this? I would think not. And I personally would like to think that sprinkler's behavior is not the kind of behavior that most of the members on this forum can appreciate and will cater to. I have to deal with demographics daily and would tend to believe the demographics here are not in favor of being called names to attract their business.

                    I am positive that I know less about how to run a forum than you do Steve, but let me tell you, if this was my forum, he would not have made more than 2 post like he did without being gone. But I suppose that it is all in the image you want for your forum. I have been a member (and still am) of numerous forums but one thing that all of hem had in common is anything inflammatory to anyone except spammers meant a quick escort to the proverbial "docks" at night. The docks where you don't come back from. Where the sharks are and know the taste of blood. You did not come back from those proverbial "docks".

                    I know that sometimes "controversy" brings attention, but that works best in a setting where expect controversy. Like in a WWE ring. I tend to think this is not a WWE ring. Nor a WWE look like/act like forum. Nor that type of atmosphere. Try pulling the WWE stunt in walmart. Not going to happen.

                    This is NOT a "marketing ploy" by Sprinkler, it is an angry tangent where he went off the deep end. Again, it is not a marketing ploy, it is a marketing mistake. He simply got angry that the other forum members here were not jumping on his ship left and right. Look back at others who have done the same thing that he just did. They are seldom back. They got angry and called the forum members names and left because the forum members were not buy the "local ad link" adds from him...... It was not a marketing ploy, it was what my parents would have called "loosing his temper". As far as sprinkler, let me tell you again, I intended to use his services eventually. I believe that he knows what he is doing with SEO. My site is not up and running yet so I have no way to use his services at the moment. But now, when my site gets up and running, I will find his competitor and use them. He has lost a sale. He has run me out of his store. My reaction has nothing to do with his performance at SEO, rather his mistake of marketing response. PERIOD. Did I reply with an anger outburst? What do you expect when you call a normal person names? It is a perfectly normal response. Buy from someone that calls you names is NOT a perfectly normal response. Remember I work in Law Enforcement and see the results of calling people names.....

                    So I will have to respectfully say, I totally disagree with you and believe you are dead wrong with your approach to this. Again, marketing 101 tells you to not treat your customers like this.

                    Sorry for being long on the tooth.

                    Respectfully,
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                    • #40
                      Now there are a number of people this may work on. In the Ghetto. But I happen to not be in the Ghetto. But in real life I DO work in the ghetto everyday. But I don't talk like them and they still respect me. Even with that being said, the people in the Ghetto prefer to be treated nice. They may listen to their ghetto music, but whether I play it or not has nothing to do with me calling them names. They will not come back if I start calling them names and telling them that are "dirtbags" and "douches" even though in my mind, they may be. Matter of fact, go down to the ghetto and call them that and see what happens. You may want to have an ambulance and the police close by while you do this. Trust me on this one.

                      Not calling your customers a bunch of names is essentially "business 101". I believe your perspective is wrong (yes, its more than me just disagreeing with you, I believe you are dead wrong here) when it comes to the WWE reference. They buy the wrestlers products and like him because he is fighting and you would expect a fighting person to be a bad boy (or girl). In marketing internet services, website services, or lawn mowers you are not supposed to look and act like a WWE wrestler.

                      I have read numerous books and articles about marketing and specifically the type that we are discussing (not the WWE marketing). All of the articles and books agreed, treat your customers nice. PERIOD. Plus, let me say this, even if the ghetto-ites liked being called all kinds of names by someone who does live in the ghetto, they will not accept it by those outside the ghetto. For example, try telling them to their face that they are living in the ghetto and that the are nothing but ghetto trash and see where that gets you besides the hospital or the funeral home. My point being is that if you are trying to sell someone something you gotta treat them with respect.
                      Hey, I did not agree with that name calling SEO.
                      And as far as the ghetto icecream music,, well I am thinking (for real) about building a icecream truck. I like trying to make $.
                      And look at it this way, hahahaha!!!! if the lawn bizz gets down and making no profit I will start pulling my lawn trailer with the icecream truck!!!!!
                      LOL!!!!!!! Now I bet that would turn some heads!
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                      • #41
                        Hey, I did not agree with that name calling SEO.
                        And as far as the ghetto icecream music,, well I am thinking (for real) about building a icecream truck. I like trying to make $.
                        And look at it this way, hahahaha!!!! if the lawn bizz gets down and making no profit I will start pulling my lawn trailer with the icecream truck!!!!!
                        LOL!!!!!!! Now I bet that would turn some heads!
                        Dude, that is awesome.

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                        • #42
                          Hey, I did not agree with that name calling SEO.
                          And as far as the ghetto icecream music,, well I am thinking (for real) about building a icecream truck. I like trying to make $.
                          And look at it this way, hahahaha!!!! if the lawn bizz gets down and making no profit I will start pulling my lawn trailer with the icecream truck!!!!!
                          LOL!!!!!!! Now I bet that would turn some heads!
                          Lol!! I saw an ice cream truck today and I could not keep from thinking about you! I thought to myself, there goes Steve W!!

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                          • #43
                            I will admit, after a few too many Bass Ales, my skin gets a little thin.

                            People starting out calling me a "spammer" because I wrote a thread headline that caused them to click it, does tend make me throw the Fire Bomb back at them, and it goes down hill from there.

                            If I ever wrote a headline that caused someone to click it, and they didn't understand why they clicked it, GOOD! And you thought I would apologize for that? Never. Wake up guys, that is called a "click through rate". That is marketing.

                            "Well, I'm too pure and wondrous to EVER stoop so low as to be creative and use my brain to make people call me". That's cool. Wash my boat, I always tip.

                            Sarcasm aside, I know I am offensive and combative in Fire Bomb rejoinders. And I also know that on Digg ALL the top read posts start with a negative headline.

                            Don't want to use my services? No sweat. Do I turn down clients? Every week. Can YOU do what I do?

                            Absolutely!

                            It is a little more involved than "Dude, anybody can install an SEO plugin, Uhh, Duh, Huh, "Got 'im on dat one, duh-huh" (insert knuckle dragging sound through the dirt).

                            Dammit, I did it again. Sorry.

                            My free book tells you exactly what to do. Do what I say, the way I tell you to do it, and you will rank highly. Period.

                            My clients hire me for one reason. They do not have the TIME to implement the outlined strategies.

                            Do I have more subtle and involved tactics that I use for my clients and DON'T put in the book? Of course.

                            In the book I give you a plow, I don't give away the farm.

                            To the aggrieved and inconsolable parties, out of there minds by being called "luddites", I offer this sincere apology: get over it.

                            I have.

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                            • #44
                              There are many ways to market and you have your own unique style. From time to time, I offer my suggestions, but what do I know? Nothing more than I know.

                              I like learning from everyone here and over time they have helped me learn how to better interact.

                              Ultimately you gotta be you and do your own thing. Your style does stand out and you are very helpful with your insights.
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                              • #45
                                There are many ways to market and you have your own unique style. From time to time, I offer my suggestions, but what do I know? Nothing more than I know.

                                I like learning from everyone here and over time they have helped me learn how to better interact.

                                Ultimately you gotta be you and do your own thing. Your style does stand out and you are very helpful with your insights.
                                And you are too nice to say it Steve, but in spite of all my other incredibly fantastic personal qualities, Roman Statue like physique and Hollywood good looks, and my almost "Mother Teresa" like penchant for helping others achieve their goals, I can also be an a## ho##in the first degree to my detractors.

                                You know who really likes me? My clients. Well, maybe not me personally, but they do like my results, and that's good enough for me. As to my detractors, we do not frequent the same black tie parties or "tractor pulls" so I guess I can live with the haters.

                                Here is an unsolicited email from someone who downloaded my PDF. Believe it, don't believe it, but I will be using his in-grammatically correct email (like I'm one to talk) on my site.

                                "I dont know if you need any testamonials. But I just used some of the free SEO information provided on your **********.com site and on google I placed in the 1st page under 3 different terms for my website I just started promoting and just built within the last week! What a great source of information! Thank you again!"

                                As far as I am concerned, that negates all the haters.

                                I'll think about choosing a new "guinea pig" from your readership to prove (third time) that what I say works, to provide an "entertaining format" in which to promote my services.

                                Maybe I'll use something like "on page 37 of the free download what do I say in the third sentence of the fourth paragraph". Any one who answers correctly will have their email printed on a piece of paper and I'll let my dog Nathan choose by barking the loudest at the winner."

                                I'll have to think about this for a little bit, because a option #1 costs ME $400 in cash. No business that I'm aware of is pure profit. I have employees and expenses.

                                But, just from a sticking it to the haters standpoint, I'm probably in.

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