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  • #31
    In my experience there's a huge difference between spanish speakers depending on the country they're from. Puerto Ricans are generally legal residents and aren't sending their money back to families at home. The guys I was referring to are usually Mexican or some other central American country and are getting paid cash, sending money back home via Western Union.

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    • #32
      I have always thought my idea was pretty good.

      Tell everyone on welfare to earn their handout by making them round up illegals. The people on welfare could drive the buses to the border to drop them off, then go back and fill the jobs that have just been vacated by the illegals having to go home.

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      • #33
        I have always thought my idea was pretty good.

        Tell everyone on welfare to earn their handout by making them round up illegals. The people on welfare could drive the buses to the border to drop them off, then go back and fill the jobs that have just been vacated by the illegals having to go home.
        LOL, I definitely would rather my tax money go toward securing our borders and protecting American jobs than to pay people to sit on the couch and have kids!

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        • #34
          In my experience there's a huge difference between spanish speakers depending on the country they're from. Puerto Ricans are generally legal residents and aren't sending their money back to families at home. The guys I was referring to are usually Mexican or some other central American country and are getting paid cash, sending money back home via Western Union.


          I've got 6 families from Puerto Rico living around me, and believe me they WORK HARD, and THEY SPEAK ENGLISH, as well as spanish.

          LOL, I definitely would rather my tax money go toward securing our borders and protecting American jobs than to pay people to sit on the couch and have kids!
          I would like to point out that you dont 'have kids' by sitting on the couch
          Last edited by stevef1201; 10-17-2011, 05:31 PM. Reason: typing

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          • #35
            Some Landscape Co Are Bad For That Here

            THERE is a large landscape co in my area don't want to put any names out there but they are on i.n.s. hit list they are in the paper all the time when i mean large i know of 3 shops that they have 10 to 15 trucks each shop so 30-45 trucks most 4 door so 3-4 man crews what i have seen all newer trucks they have all the big grass cutting accounts/mulch all commercial what i see . it turns my gut to see them get bigger as some of us get smaller

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            • #36
              I would like to point out that you dont 'have kids' by sitting on the couch
              Ahh yes how silly of me. Thanks for pointing that out

              Perhaps I should've made clearer that the welfare recipients who generally "sit on the couch" AND "have kids" do not necessarily do both at the same time, nor does one inevitably cause the other.
              Last edited by element009; 10-18-2011, 10:29 AM.

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              • #37
                Illegal Aliens do paytaxes when made to pay taxes, here in California you have to give your employees w2 forms even if they are illegal. So if you do hire an illegal Alien it is your responsibility to make him pay taxes, it is a misconception that since they are illegal they can not pay taxes at least here in California all Illegal Aliens have to pay taxes if they are working.


                now about hiring them? well it is illegal and you can get a $10,000.000 fine for hiring them, if a business owner hires them knowingly i think it is irresponsible since they can loose everything they have but if you do hire an illegal Alien without knowing (if they present you fake I.D's) then i would say its not your fault, i would never discriminate anyone simply by the way they look, Lincoln fought hard for the freedom and equality of all and for any of us to descriminate because of how someone looks it is as wrong as willingly hiring an Illegal Alien.

                hope this helps

                P.S. Illegal Aliens with W2 forms pay taxes with a business number.

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                • #38
                  Illegal Aliens do paytaxes when made to pay taxes, here in California you have to give your employees w2 forms even if they are illegal. So if you do hire an illegal Alien it is your responsibility to make him pay taxes, it is a misconception that since they are illegal they can not pay taxes at least here in California all Illegal Aliens have to pay taxes if they are working.


                  now about hiring them? well it is illegal and you can get a $10,000.000 fine for hiring them, if a business owner hires them knowingly i think it is irresponsible since they can loose everything they have but if you do hire an illegal Alien without knowing (if they present you fake I.D's) then i would say its not your fault, i would never discriminate anyone simply by the way they look, Lincoln fought hard for the freedom and equality of all and for any of us to descriminate because of how someone looks it is as wrong as willingly hiring an Illegal Alien.

                  hope this helps

                  P.S. Illegal Aliens with W2 forms pay taxes with a business number.
                  So you're saying in California it is illegal to hire an Illegal Alien and you can face 10K in fines if you do so.....
                  BUT at the same time in California if you hire an Illegal Alien it is your responsibility to make them pay taxes???

                  That seems like two policies that don't really make sense together.

                  I agree that a lot of them present fake ids and those guys are paying taxes..but in those instances, as far as the employer knows, they are legal citizens.....however i know in NJ there's a lot of guys in landscaping who just get paid straight cash....and those dudes aren't paying income tax, soc security, or anything else that Uncle Sam says you and I have to pay.

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                  • #39
                    So you're saying in California it is illegal to hire an Illegal Alien and you can face 10K in fines if you do so.....
                    BUT at the same time in California if you hire an Illegal Alien it is your responsibility to make them pay taxes???

                    That seems like two policies that don't really make sense together.

                    I agree that a lot of them present fake ids and those guys are paying taxes..but in those instances, as far as the employer knows, they are legal citizens.....however i know in NJ there's a lot of guys in landscaping who just get paid straight cash....and those dudes aren't paying income tax, soc security, or anything else that Uncle Sam says you and I have to pay.
                    Im not a tax expert but the employer pay taxes on that income don't they. You have to report where you money goes and in the instance of payroll you have to have a ss# or a other #.
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                    • #40
                      Im not a tax expert but the employer pay taxes on that income don't they. You have to report where you money goes and in the instance of payroll you have to have a ss# or a other #.
                      I assume they mark it as some other kind of expenditure instead of including it as a payroll expense when they do their taxes....I can't think of a reason to pay someone in cash if you were going to then report it as payroll. What would be the incentive to pay cash then?

                      Business owners who are paying illegal aliens in cash are doing so knowingly and illegally, otherwise they'd pay them in checks and make them pay taxes....So I assume if these people are comfortable breaking the law by hiring them, then they are comfortable breaking the law by not reporting their cash payroll

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                      • #41
                        This is an issue that hits close to home for me. In '57 my dad, aunts, uncle and grandparents immigrated from Austria. They had to come through the system legally with all the hassle that goes along with it. They also had to work and support their family.

                        On my dad's side of the family, I am the first generation born in this country. On my mom's side, my great grandmother came to Washington State in a covered wagon at the age of 3.

                        These are NOT undocumented workers they are illegal aliens. Law breakers and should be treated as such. If they want a better life then they either need to come through legally or do what we did over 200 years ago to make their lives better. Sure a lot of people will get killed but freedom is not free as we well know. Just look what happened in South Africa in the not so distant past along with other countries like Libia today. People fighting for their freedom.
                        Pat

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                        • #42
                          This is an issue that hits close to home for me. In '57 my dad, aunts, uncle and grandparents immigrated from Austria. They had to come through the system legally with all the hassle that goes along with it. They also had to work and support their family.

                          On my dad's side of the family, I am the first generation born in this country. On my mom's side, my great grandmother came to Washington State in a covered wagon at the age of 3.

                          These are NOT undocumented workers they are illegal aliens. Law breakers and should be treated as such. If they want a better life then they either need to come through legally or do what we did over 200 years ago to make their lives better. Sure a lot of people will get killed but freedom is not free as we well know. Just look what happened in South Africa in the not so distant past along with other countries like Libia today. People fighting for their freedom.
                          I'm with you on that..Less than 100 years ago neither side of my fam was in this country. But when they arrived, they did it legally. Granted the US was pretty much letting anybody in at that point in time, which is not the case now.

                          It's a shame the Feds do such a bad job at fighting the problem.

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                          • #43
                            Same here, my wife is from England and we're going through tons of paperwork just to get her a SSN so she can work and drive. Let alone having citizenship. The fees we have to pay are ridiculous and the wait time is annoying to say the least.

                            Maybe this thread isn't the one to say it, but Libya and Egypt are not fighting for their freedoms...Not all revolutions and protests are about gaining freedom. The only reason i'm bringing this up is it's a sore subject for me, I served two tours in Iraq, 27 month.....me and my brothers did not spend time fighting Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan so our government could support them in another country, namely Libya and Egypt.

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                            • #44
                              So you're saying in California it is illegal to hire an Illegal Alien and you can face 10K in fines if you do so.....
                              BUT at the same time in California if you hire an Illegal Alien it is your responsibility to make them pay taxes???

                              That seems like two policies that don't really make sense together.

                              I agree that a lot of them present fake ids and those guys are paying taxes..but in those instances, as far as the employer knows, they are legal citizens.....however i know in NJ there's a lot of guys in landscaping who just get paid straight cash....and those dudes aren't paying income tax, soc security, or anything else that Uncle Sam says you and I have to pay.
                              Yup California's government knows they have lots of Illegal Aliens in their borders so i guess it works for them.

                              on another note, i've always talked to friends and family about this issue extensively and i know that having an illegal alien working for us is not the way to go my father owns 2 different businesses and 3 apartment units here in california and he knows first hand that this Aliens are hard working people, having 2-3 jobs to stay on top of their payments, something other people might just ignore and go into bankruptcy, now I would hire someone who wants to work and help him/her try to get their documentation the right way, many would think this is wrong, but if i can find a good worker i would really try to keep him.

                              sure 200 years ago there was our independence day and then the civil war and slaves became free but come on do you guys really think that 12 million illegal immigrants not paying their taxes are the reason why our country is the way it is? i honestly don't. i've heard it all from welfare being given to the illegal immigrants to free medical services given to them, but what i know is the truth is that since 1994 when we started outsourcing our workforce and our businesses our economy started to tank... but the main thing started in the 70's but this is not a history class lol
                              so back to the point...

                              Hiring an illegal alien is still bad but if you don't know they are illegal then its not your fault :P guys remember our business is the first thing to go in hard economic times so lets think of how to improve our economy and lets include all of the people in the puzzle...

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                              • #45
                                Illegal is illegal...my ancestors did it the legal way, i'm doing it the legal way with my wife... they can to.

                                If an 85 year old man can perform in the IronMan 140+ miles of swimming, biking and running. If a man with no legs can run a marathon. If some kid in poverty can grow up to make millions playing a sport, then a decent human being can go to a freakin office on his own and fill out the proper paperwork to start his or her way to being a LEGAL immigrant.

                                I do not care how hard you work, if someone sneaks in, and takes something from a diamond to money to a job illegally then he/she is not part of any puzzle i want to belong to.

                                "oh, he beats his wife and drinks a case a beer a night, but he's a hard worker" is as lame an excuse as "oh he snuck across the border, but he's a hard worker"...illegal is illegal...do it right or go home.

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