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picframer
09-05-2009, 07:24 PM
Well the guys have been after me most of the summer to find something less back breaking for when we are doing drains to cart the material we dig away (generally compacted clay) and to haul rock in to cover the pipe. I have had it on my mind for a while as we go through wheel barrows every few weeks and the box stores will not give any type of replacement.

I went into John Deere this morning to pick up a couple of fittings and spied this unit on the lot, they just started carrying them, took it for a spin around their lot, it was a demo unit so they gave me a very good deal. It has a Honda gas engine and will haul 1,100 pounds.

It will get a test on Monday as the guys are doing a drain on a side hill which would have been desperate hard to cart stuff away and into the trench.

First two images are from home and the third from the manufacturers website showing the dump, it comes with a Poly box and a steel Box, the sides fold down and it will carry logs if you wish.

swstout
09-05-2009, 08:17 PM
What is the cost? I did a Google search and could not find any non UK outlets. Is it gas or desiel?

Steve

Little's
09-05-2009, 08:30 PM
That is awesome. That unit could be very useful for me. Whewn Im taking down large trees and hauling them away, sometimes I need to carry large rounds a lot further than I like. Sometimes on hills or slopes. This could make my guys very happy!

Product looks awesome, but I saw this picture and it made me laugh, The guy has his safety vest on, his hard hat, and his work boots, but still in his gym shorts, hahaha!

http://www.cormidiplant.co.uk/images/cormidiplant_1.jpg

picframer
09-05-2009, 08:33 PM
What is the cost? I did a Google search and could not find any non UK outlets. Is it gas or desiel?

Steve

I have seen Honda and CAT units around passing other job sites, this unit cost me $6,850, it's 13 HP Gas. I played around with it this evening in the driveway and on the lawn both empty and full, doesn't leave a mark on the lawn which is nice.

We have been doing so many drains I had to do something as wheeling product around is just too hard, I would guess we can get our loader into 70% of the spots but it's the other 30% that kill us.

picframer
09-05-2009, 08:39 PM
That is awesome. That unit could be very useful for me. Whewn Im taking down large trees and hauling them away, sometimes I need to carry large rounds a lot further than I like. Sometimes on hills or slopes. This could make my guys very happy!

Yes it would be good, I built the guys a little log hauler they pull behind one of the ATV's or the tractors, It isn't fancy but man this thing has been worth it's weight in gold.

Steve
09-06-2009, 07:58 PM
Oh that looks like a back saver! Keep us posted on how you like it as you use it on monday.

picframer
09-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Oh that looks like a back saver! Keep us posted on how you like it as you use it on monday.

I built a liner for the dump using 3/4" plywood, I will be on this site tomorrow running the excavator while the guys give this barrow a work out.

I delivered the equipment this evening to the clients and I think tomorrow will be interesting, there is a 25 degree grade they need to go up that is about 500 feet long, one of the main reasons I bought this as I can't get in there with a loader so a wheel barrow would have meant 6 guys for two days and I don't have the resources now that university has started.

Personally I think it is a bit under powered or they do not have it geared low enough, it's pretty fast and something we don't need is speed, this is why I lined the dump, if it doesn't perform it will be going back.

Here is an image of it loaded, not sure I would want to pull much more weight with this truck.....it's a full load weight wise.

Steve
09-07-2009, 08:46 AM
You got me thinking, could you use an atv with a cart? Would that help at all? Are they geared lower or would they rip up the turf?

picframer
09-07-2009, 04:09 PM
You got me thinking, could you use an atv with a cart? Would that help at all? Are they geared lower or would they rip up the turf?

Depending on the job we do use an ATV and a Cart, problem has been the carts last about two months (box), that is 12 jobs +/- so I was trying to find something better, the ATV's and the Carts do dig in deep and can make quite a mess.

I am not going to keep this track dump, we finished an 8 hour day with it all three of us agree it's not worth close to what I paid and we would be better off with a small four wheel drive tractor with a loader, that way we can use it for more things and there is one thats smaller than anything we have that would have worked today.

I have to head out to do two quotes, just stopped by while having a coffee on route:) will write what we did and did not like later on

picframer
09-07-2009, 06:25 PM
Perpahs I am spoiled when it comes to machinery and meeting our needs but for the cost of this unit here is what I and the guys did not car for:

The tracks are controled by two levers one for each hand when you are going up a hill its desperate hard to control both levers with one hand, granted you would walk behind it and have more control but I would have thought they would incorporate foot levers to give you the option.

The tracks are brutal on the clients lawn, not sure if it's the tread design, hardness of the rubber or what but it really tears up.

Under powered, they need a two speed transmission when carrying a load up a hill

The dump gate is far too tight and a real pain to put on and remove

Other than that it worked well, great design but the devil is in the small details, we could over look most of this but the fact that you can't stand on the ramp and go up a hill is a big down side for us.

Steve
09-08-2009, 08:33 AM
It does make you wonder though if another manufacturer had figured some of this out and made a better unit somewhere.

Maybe something like the Toro Dingo?

http://usediron.point2.com/Photo/Equipment/427022-1-M.jpg

picframer
09-08-2009, 08:20 PM
It does make you wonder though if another manufacturer had figured some of this out and made a better unit somewhere.

Maybe something like the Toro Dingo?

http://usediron.point2.com/Photo/Equipment/427022-1-M.jpg

See the wide tracks and the support rollers on the bottom...?? that is critical for a number of reasons and that unit is very well made, never seen one but have been looking at that image.

lawncrafter56
09-08-2009, 08:57 PM
I too have been considering this unit though quite spendy and I like buying new. Here in Iowa the 48" sno blower attatchment would be excellent.
We have some of the nicest bluegrass yards and often when excavating is done the contractors put down sheets of 4x8 plywood to run the skid loaders on. this would be an excellent tool for those french drains that you have excited me about. Do the residents use sump pumps around your area Andy?

lawncrafter56
09-08-2009, 09:01 PM
not to change the subject but one of the best dirt movers i have ever used for the money are mantis tillers. It ought to be a staple for every landscaper as they dig and loosen soils better than any... especially a shovel.. and they never wear out

picframer
09-09-2009, 04:29 AM
I too have been considering this unit though quite spendy and I like buying new. Here in Iowa the 48" sno blower attatchment would be excellent.
We have some of the nicest bluegrass yards and often when excavating is done the contractors put down sheets of 4x8 plywood to run the skid loaders on. this would be an excellent tool for those french drains that you have excited me about. Do the residents use sump pumps around your area Andy?

Yes some homes do use sump pumps however I tell them that is only putting a patch on the problem.

Almost always the soil is compacted clay, when I do a quote I brake it down and include the Organic Aerify we use, one application will not do it so the quote is a four part spray. Aside from water getting into the basements, the customers want to be able to use their lawn.

The real issue here is poor thinking in the development stage of these sub divisions, the planner's do not take into consideration what will happen when they start clearing trees.

The issue I have with a sump pump is what do you do when the power goes out during a storm and that happens here a lot, basically they end up with water damage, the other issue is the chance of mold and if that happens it gets desperate expensive, yes some homes have generators but not many.

I tried plywood on two jobs but it didn't work well, in short the machinery destroyed the plywood and at $34.00 a sheet......so I simply tell clients there will be damage to the lawn, we are not able to estimate how much as it depends on how much clay we run into, I give them a quote on sod and top soil.

I think if I buy something else it will be the small tractor with a loader, with wide turfs they do a lot less damage than tracks, I can use tractors for everything we do, you could also use it for snow removal and these things will go just about anywhere, put a 48" blower on the back and a 60" plow on the front and you are all set, the cost is also less than a track unit.

picframer
09-09-2009, 04:35 AM
not to change the subject but one of the best dirt movers i have ever used for the money are mantis tillers. It ought to be a staple for every landscaper as they dig and loosen soils better than any... especially a shovel.. and they never wear out

Interesting, we do not do a lot of flower beds, this is by choice more than anything as I am on the short end of the learning curve when it comes to plants and names. For gardens we use the Deere tillers on the back of one of the tractors, OMG the quality of the tilling amazes me.

Anyhow I run Stihl trimmers, I forget their proper name but two of them have the shafts that allow you to change attachments, man they work good as we have trimmers, edgers, chain saw pruning, sweeper and blower attachments.

The other day I was in Deere and saw there is a small tiller type attachment also available, I haven't bought one as there hasn't been a need for it but I wonder how they would work.