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lawnboy72
12-09-2008, 11:08 AM
Hi every one.I'm in fl and 2 years in lawn service.I like fishing and making money.Very slow in winter.

ritchiem
12-09-2008, 11:11 AM
Welcome to the forums lawnboy...who doesn't like fishing and making money. :D

Steve
12-09-2008, 03:29 PM
Hi J,

Welcome to our forum!

What got you to start your lawn care business? Do you have any advice for new start up businesses?

lawnboy72
12-09-2008, 10:35 PM
Hi steve and every one too.Yes,don't buy cheap stuff.I learn the hard way.This year i'm putting about $5,000 into my bussness.Last summer every thing broke week after week.

Steve
12-09-2008, 11:36 PM
Oh interesting.

What kind of equipment did you start with and what are you now replacing it with?

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 02:02 AM
Hi every,First year i had a push mower.Year 2 i got two 30 ride on murry.Waiting for taxes,so i can get 48 bad boy zero turn.I hear they are fast.

Steve
12-10-2008, 03:38 AM
I am guessing the first bunch of mowers were consumer based models?

What kinds of things have you been doing to market your business? Any advice on that?

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 11:02 AM
yes,lots of flyers and cragslist.I also use bargin finder.My friend called me today to give a propoasl on 80 condos.He won't give me what the last guy pays.It's about 4 hours of work.Lots of shurbs.I'm thinking of$ 1,200 a month.Let me know if it's to cheap.

Steve
12-10-2008, 04:17 PM
My friend called me today to give a propoasl on 80 condos.He won't give me what the last guy pays.It's about 4 hours of work.Lots of shurbs.I'm thinking of$ 1,200 a month.Let me know if it's to cheap.

Can you tell me how you came up with that figure? Can you break it down to what is involved weekly? Also what is the size of the area you will be servicing? What additional services do they require?

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 05:34 PM
I don't know the size.Wha't i do know is the last guy took 4 hours to do it.There were 3 man crew.I figure $60.00 hour 4 hour.Ifigure $300. a week.
Mow,edging,weed wack,blow,trim shurbs.Should it be more.Need advice,first big account.

Steve
12-10-2008, 07:12 PM
I don't know the size.Wha't i do know is the last guy took 4 hours to do it.There were 3 man crew.I figure $60.00 hour 4 hour.Ifigure $300. a week.

Ok if the last lawn care business took 3 men (4hrs) to complete this per week, that is 12 man hours per week.

If it is then going to take you 12 man hours per week and you charge $300 per week, that comes out to $25 per man hour.

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 08:42 PM
ok,I'm lost.Is i't to little or to much.Rember i'ts me and two helper.We will take 4 hour to get it done.

Steve
12-10-2008, 08:48 PM
Is i't to little or to much.Rember i'ts me and two helper.We will take 4 hour to get it done.

Let me walk through this:


3 men will take (4hrs each) to complete. = 12 man hours per week
3 x 4 = 12

If it takes 12 man hours per week and you are charging $300 per week

12 man hours / $300 = $25 per man hour.


Now knowing this, how does it compare to the other properties you service? How much do you charge per man hour to service your average yard?

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 09:14 PM
I get $20.00 per home.I pay my helper $7.00 hour.We do 10 a day.It's easy when it's small homes.

Steve
12-10-2008, 09:18 PM
I get $20.00 per home.

How long does it take you to do an average lawn that you charge $20.00 for?

Mike's LawnCare Landscape
12-10-2008, 09:25 PM
I don't know the size.Wha't i do know is the last guy took 4 hours to do it.There were 3 man crew.I figure $60.00 hour 4 hour.Ifigure $300. a week.
Mow,edging,weed wack,blow,trim shurbs.Should it be more.Need advice,first big account.
:confused::confused::confused: Are you saying that you are getting $60 hr for 3 guys working or $60 for each guy??
You say the last crew took 4 hrs with 3 guys = 12 man hrs
Do you know what kinda stuff they use ??

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 09:28 PM
about 15 to20 min per home.All homes with in 6 blocks.I like them close.Less gas more money.

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 09:37 PM
mike:confused::confused::confused: Are you saying that you are getting $60 hr for 3 guys working or $60 for each guy??
You say the last crew took 4 hrs with 3 guys = 12 man hrs
Do you know what kinda stuff they use ??

No,i was asking if i should charge $60.00 a hour.They want me to put a bid in.I don't know what to charge.Last guy 3 man crew in 4 hour.

Mike's LawnCare Landscape
12-10-2008, 09:55 PM
I get $20.00 per home.I pay my helper $7.00 hour.We do 10 a day.It's easy when it's small homes.
How long does it take you to do the 10 yards a day ?
10 yard at $20 is only $200 a day for 3 guys thats not looking to good .
if you worked 6hrs
Thats 18 man hrs for the 3 of you.
If you pay your help $7hr and lets say you pay your self $7 hr
3 x $7 is $21 hr x 6hr = pay out for is $126 that leaves you with $74 for taxes for the help and you and gas and mower cost.
Sorry somthings wrong ???????

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 10:13 PM
I have one helper.In 5 to 6 hours give or take.$200. a day.I would like to hire a second helper if i get the 40 condos.But i don't know what to bid.

Mike's LawnCare Landscape
12-10-2008, 10:34 PM
I have one helper.In 5 to 6 hours give or take.$200. a day.I would like to hire a second helper if i get the 40 condos.But i don't know what to bid.

Are you bidding one 40 or 80 ???
First off I put a bid in last week for 12 condos.
for $250 It sould take me from 3 to 4 hrs . With no help.
if it takes me the 4 hrs I will make around $40 hr after all of my pay outs and TAXES!!!!!

lawnboy72
12-10-2008, 11:01 PM
That's pretty good.What would you bid on 40 condo.I was thinking of $300. a cut.I see i'm way off.

EasyPro
12-11-2008, 12:51 AM
I have one helper.In 5 to 6 hours give or take.$200. a day.I would like to hire a second helper if i get the 40 condos.But i don't know what to bid.

First thing you need to do raise raise your prices . . .

a 2 man crew (weather you are working in the crew as a member or not) should be grossing a min of $75/hr . .. thats 3g's a week. . . 30% for you, 27% out for payroll, 10% for the company, 20% for fixed and Variable cost, 13% for marketing!


Thats is just a basic lay out . . .

Steve
12-11-2008, 02:10 AM
a 2 man crew (weather you are working in the crew as a member or not) should be grossing a min of $75/hr . .. thats 3g's a week. . . 30% for you, 27% out for payroll, 10% for the company, 20% for fixed and Variable cost, 13% for marketing!

DJ do you find those percentages are scalable? Can they apply to a (2 man crew) as well as 2 or 3 (2 man crews)?

EasyPro
12-11-2008, 10:42 AM
First thing you need to do raise raise your prices . . .

a 2 man crew (weather you are working in the crew as a member or not) should be grossing a min of $75/hr . .. thats 3g's a week. . . 30% for you, 27% out for payroll, 10% for the company, 20% for fixed and Variable cost, 13% for marketing!


Thats is just a basic lay out . . .

When people ask about pricing and stuff i alwasy tell them that if you know your numbers (really truly know them not just say oh ya i know my numbers when you actually have no clue) then pricing is easy . . . if it cost you X ammount of dollars to do a job and you want to make Y dollars then X + Y = Z. Z being your price you charge. I don't care what the "going rate" for lawn care is or power washing or roof cleaning i charge what I need to charge to make my company successful! One of my buddies always say the "going rate" is the "goin out of business rate" and I couldn't agree more!

lawnboy72
12-11-2008, 11:09 AM
Hi,Is that $75.00 hour.I live in fl,people are very cheap.$75.00 hour x man power= Is that correct? I'm jumping up and down.

lawnboy72
12-11-2008, 11:22 AM
Hi,know i see why the big lawn company live the good life.

Mike's LawnCare Landscape
12-11-2008, 12:22 PM
Hi,Is that $75.00 hour.I live in fl,people are very cheap.$75.00 hour x man power= Is that correct? I'm jumping up and down.
Now thats somthing else.
Like lets say there is a 1 acre yard .
I can cut it under 15 min with one of my mowers.
But with a Craftmen rider (42 in cut )it will take me 40 min.
Lets say I priced it at $35
With the mower that took 15 min I made $140 hr
With the mower that took 40 min I made $52.5 hr

So you can't just charge $75 hour
Like takeing a push mower that took you over 1 hr on the same yard and tring to charge $75
You have to price the yard for what the custermer is will to pay.

Steve
12-11-2008, 06:57 PM
When people ask about pricing and stuff i alwasy tell them that if you know your numbers (really truly know them not just say oh ya i know my numbers when you actually have no clue) then pricing is easy . . . if it cost you X ammount of dollars to do a job and you want to make Y dollars then X + Y = Z. Z being your price you charge. I don't care what the "going rate" for lawn care is or power washing or roof cleaning i charge what I need to charge to make my company successful! One of my buddies always say the "going rate" is the "goin out of business rate" and I couldn't agree more!

Some of our members are very new to lawn care. Can you give them some advice on how one is able to create their numbers to know what their numbers are? What should the be doing to create this?

legendlawn
12-11-2008, 08:54 PM
I'm in Wichita, KS and I am currently charging $45 per man hour (going up to 48 next year). If those condos were here I would charge 540 per week (45x12 man hours.

EasyPro
12-12-2008, 12:08 AM
Hi,Is that $75.00 hour.I live in fl,people are very cheap.$75.00 hour x man power= Is that correct? I'm jumping up and down.

$75 per hour is for a crew with two guys, one mower, and trimmers, and edger and blower. . . I say $75 per hour but you should bid by the job . .. also my numbers are going to be different than yours . . .

a foreman for me will make 15/hr
helper will make 10/hr

thats 25/hr before taxes a good number to play it safe on matching is about 70% so my cost will be $42.50/hr for two guys . .. next you figure in a mower cost . . .that's cost of replacement too . .. I look for my mowers to get three tears . . .new mower cost 9k so thats 18k spread over 3 years which comes to 6k a year . .. divided by a 30 week season is 200 a week thats $1.30 an hour so now our total is $43.80. trimmer edger blower all get replaced every 2 years . . . so 2k over 2 years is a grand a year . . .we divide that by 30 (weeks in the season) and then by 40 for the hours per week that gives us $0.83 per hour . . . . total is now 44.63 add in vehicle and trailer for 10k every 4 years is $2.08 an hour (hopefully by now you understand how i got this number so no need for me to hold your hand anymore :) ) so our new total is $46.71/hr and we aren't even making money yet!!!!!

Ok lets go to the variable and fixed cost now i'm gonna make up some numbers to keep it simple. . . fuel and oil - $800/month Cell phone - $120/month up keep - $100/month (we will factor in office supplies as $100/month) this model will be for a person running the company from home so no need to put in internet and all that jazz ! so we are looking roughly $1200 a month for our other cost just to play it safe thats $7.50 an hour wich brings us to $54.21 a good number for the company's net is 10% and around 25%-30% for the owner so 35% of 75 is $26.25 we add that to our $54.31 and we have $80.56/hr . . . . given this is for a 40 hour work week . .. that means your boys need to be busy 5 days a weeek . . . if they only work 30 hours instead of 40 that 9k mower now cost you $6.60 an hour instead of a dollar and some change . . . .

Hopefully you can see now why pricing is so easy if you kno your number . .. if it is COSTING you $55 dollars an hour in expenses you can't bid work at $60 an hour . .. .Your not making money!

hope this helps you guys :)

Steve
12-12-2008, 02:07 AM
Great post and great insight. I made a chart to help explain this. My figures aren't exactly the same as yours but this will give a good visual.

http://www.gopherforum.com/uploaded-files/images/hourly-costs.jpg

Steve
12-12-2008, 02:23 AM
Now take that $53.72 you calculated and add a 10% percentage profit for the company and a 25% profit for the owner and you get $79.97 per hour.

That is the dollar amount you must charge per hour when you bid a job with your two man crew.

http://www.gopherforum.com/uploaded-files/images/hourly-expenses.jpg

Steve
12-12-2008, 02:30 AM
thats 25/hr before taxes a good number to play it safe on matching is about 70%

In this example, when you calculate the matching, what are you including in the matching?

I look for my mowers to get three years . . .new mower cost 9k so thats 18k spread over 3 years which comes to 6k a year

I am guessing you are calculating two mowers in this example?

I look for my mowers to get three years . . .new mower cost 9k so thats 18k spread over 3 years which comes to 6k a year. .. divided by a 30 week season is $200 a week thats $1.30 an hour

Can you tell me what I am doing wrong in my calculations?

2 mowers each at $9,000 need to be replaced every 3 years.

(2 x $9,000) = $18,000
($18,000 / 3 years) = $6,000 per year replacement cost
($6,000 / 30 work weeks a year) = $200 a week
($200 per week / 40 hours in a week ) = $5.00 per hour

What am I doing wrong?

Also, what should they figure in for insurance?

EasyPro
12-12-2008, 08:12 AM
In this example, when you calculate the matching, what are you including in the matching?Insurance and taxes for my side



I am guessing you are calculating two mowers in this example?
no this is for one mower . . . a mower cost 9k so in 3 years i need to have the current one paid off and and also have the money for a new one.


Can you tell me what I am doing wrong in my calculations?

2 mowers each at $9,000 need to be replaced every 3 years.

(2 x $9,000) = $18,000
($18,000 / 3 years) = $6,000 per year replacement cost
($6,000 / 30 work weeks a year) = $200 a week
($200 per week / 40 hours in a week ) = $5.00 per hour

What am I doing wrong?
nothing at all lol i dunno how i got my number . .. .it was late and i was tired lol

Also, what should they figure in for insurance?
Isurance is figured in for when you match your employees

Steve
12-12-2008, 09:27 AM
DJ I was experimenting with what you said and came up with this simple estimation calculator. Let me know how it works.

http://www.gopherforum.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=7898

EasyPro
12-12-2008, 12:34 PM
DJ I was experimenting with what you said and came up with this simple estimation calculator. Let me know how it works.

http://www.gopherforum.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=7898

thats pretty cool

lawnboy72
12-12-2008, 04:34 PM
That's a good rate. FL is real cheap.$75.00 a hour seems pretty high to me.He's a freind of mine but won't give me last bid.

EasyPro
12-12-2008, 05:08 PM
That's a good rate. FL is real cheap.$75.00 a hour seems pretty high to me.He's a freind of mine but won't give me last bid.

thats the thing . . .if your aren't charging that then your arent making money . . . its that simple

lawnboy72
12-12-2008, 05:09 PM
Great post and great insight. I made a chart to help explain this. My figures aren't exactly the same as yours but this will give a good visual.

http://www.gopherforum.com/uploaded-files/images/hourly-costs.jpg

steve,i follow your chart and it makes sense.That was something i did not know.Like i said i am going on 3 years.I'm glad you guys are here to help.I'm going to pass the word out to join this site.Know i understand what lowballing means.Thank you and every one else for your help.

lawnboy72
12-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Does the rate all so apply for landscaping.

Steve
12-13-2008, 08:38 PM
I would say yea. Unless you needed more equipment and then that would be added to your rate to do a specific job.

lawnboy72
12-14-2008, 11:26 PM
I just paid for 2 toro walkbehind $500.I still need a zero turn.I want to be ready for 2009.I can't wait to go back to work.Are you still working.

lawnboy72
12-17-2008, 04:44 AM
Yesterday i made a bid 20 yard of mulch for $1,200.Someone else bid $900.What did i do wrong?

Steve
12-17-2008, 06:35 AM
Yesterday i made a bid 20 yard of mulch for $1,200.Someone else bid $900.What did i do wrong?

What did the job involve? Were you going to deliver it? How many hours did you figure on spreading it out?

EasyPro
12-17-2008, 08:08 AM
Yesterday i made a bid 20 yard of mulch for $1,200.Someone else bid $900.What did i do wrong?

nothing . .. .if $1200 is what you needed to do the job then you did nothing wrong . . .I charge $65 a yard (delivered and installed)

You win some you loose some . . . .if your not loosing some then your not charging enough

lawnboy72
12-18-2008, 08:02 PM
nothing . .. .if $1200 is what you needed to do the job then you did nothing wrong . . .I charge $65 a yard (delivered and installed)

You win some you loose some . . . .if your not loosing some then your not charging enough

20 yards x $60.00= $1,200 I don't get it.Someone bid $ 900.

lawnboy72
12-18-2008, 08:05 PM
What did the job involve? Were you going to deliver it? How many hours did you figure on spreading it out?

20 yardsx$60.00=$1,200

lawnboy72
01-07-2009, 10:24 AM
hello,i pick up some new accounts,and i lost 3 old accounts.Some one in my area is cuting lawns for $10.00 a cut.They ask me to go down $8.00 a cut.I said no way.They been with me 3 years.I think i made a mistake.They paid on time.What do you think?

Steve
01-07-2009, 11:20 AM
,i pick up some new accounts,and i lost 3 old accounts.Some one in my area is cuting lawns for $10.00 a cut.They ask me to go down $8.00 a cut.I said no way.They been with me 3 years.I think i made a mistake.They paid on time.What do you think?

YIKES but how can you make money on $8.00 a cut? If you can't make a profit on it, you shouldn't do it.

lawnboy72
01-07-2009, 07:23 PM
YIKES but how can you make money on $8.00 a cut? If you can't make a profit on it, you shouldn't do it.

your right,from $20.00 a cut .they want to pay $8.00 a cut.I talk to alot of lco in the area,and there having the same problem.

Steve
01-07-2009, 08:04 PM
Maybe there are other services you could offer in your area that could command a premium? Have you thought about adding additional services?

lawnboy72
01-07-2009, 09:23 PM
Maybe there are other services you could offer in your area that could command a premium? Have you thought about adding additional services?

Well $60.00 a month is basic lawn service out here.Anything else is extra.That's how we make any money.I asked around and all lco charge the same rate.We raise it every year.

Steve
01-07-2009, 10:45 PM
What I mean is, maybe you could offer additional services to mowing. Could you offer gutter cleaning? Could you offer aeration? Could you offer fertilization? Etc.. The more unique your service is and the less competition you have, the more you can potentially charge for it.

EasyPro
01-07-2009, 10:46 PM
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Steve
01-07-2009, 10:57 PM
DJ that was awesome! Very impressive!

Now can you tell us a little, how does a newer lawn care business who is fighting with competitors who offer $8.00 cuts, how does that business owner find and target lawn care customers who are looking and willing to pay more? Who want a uniformed and licensed lawn care business?

Where do they start? What is lawnboy72 doing that he could be doing differently in his marketing to target such higher paying customers?

Is this where he should change his marketing to focus on benefits? Should he say in his marketing, "I will help you spend more time with your family." Or is there something else?

lawnboy72
01-08-2009, 10:57 AM
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Thank you ,for advice.I 'll try it and let you know how it goes.I'll start with the higher homes area.I guess it's time to swich gears.

lawnboy72
01-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Maybe there are other services you could offer in your area that could command a premium? Have you thought about adding additional services?

Thank you, for the help.I'll let you know how it goes.

EasyPro
01-08-2009, 12:22 PM
DJ that was awesome! Very impressive!

Now can you tell us a little, how does a newer lawn care business who is fighting with competitors who offer $8.00 cuts, how does that business owner find and target lawn care customers who are looking and willing to pay more? Who want a uniformed and licensed lawn care business?

Where do they start? What is lawnboy72 doing that he could be doing differently in his marketing to target such higher paying customers?

Is this where he should change his marketing to focus on benefits? Should he say in his marketing, "I will help you spend more time with your family." Or is there something else?

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Steve
01-08-2009, 01:31 PM
DJ great stuff!

lawnboy72 is this helping you or are you finding it confusing? I'd love to hear how all this has helped alter your course.

lawnboy72
01-08-2009, 06:35 PM
DJ great stuff!

lawnboy72 is this helping you or are you finding it confusing? I'd love to hear how all this has helped alter your course.

yes,it helps.I went to do new flyers.Not only lawn service but i added power washing roof and drive ways and decks.know i need to come up with a price package.every one in FL have driveway.So i'm going to add pressure wash and paint driveway.What do you think?

lawnboy72
01-08-2009, 07:15 PM
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Can i add pressure wash with lawn service package,or separate both service.How much to charge?

lawnboy72
01-10-2009, 06:51 PM
I need your help.I have a new customer that need a clean up and mulch job.How do i find out how many yards he needs.
they charge $2.00 bag
$20.00 a yard
Which way should i go?
please help

toxicweirdo
01-10-2009, 07:09 PM
Wow talk about swithcing new gears that got some new gears turning in my head.

lawnboy72
01-10-2009, 07:23 PM
Need your help.How do i figure out how much mulch i need.

Steve
01-11-2009, 12:24 AM
Lawnboy,

Did you see the topsoil and mulch calculator here (http://lawnchat.com/?page_id=341)?

See if that will help you.

lawnboy72
01-11-2009, 04:45 PM
Lawnboy,

Did you see the topsoil and mulch calculator here (http://lawnchat.com/?page_id=341)?

See if that will help you.

Hi steve,I came up with $640.00
$40.00x16 man power=$640.00
What do you think?I turn in the proposal tommrow.

Steve
01-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Give me a breakdown of what you are going to be doing and what materials you figured you needed.

lawnboy72
01-11-2009, 06:31 PM
Give me a breakdown of what you are going to be doing and what materials you figured you needed.

$40.00hrx16=$640.00
mulch 60bagsx$2.09
remove old and replace new

Steve
01-11-2009, 08:50 PM
If it covers your costs and gives you a profit, yea that sounds good. Any thoughts as to why not just by some mulch in bulk and deliver it yourself? You could probably then add a material markup too.

lawnboy72
01-11-2009, 09:14 PM
If it covers your costs and gives you a profit, yea that sounds good. Any thoughts as to why not just by some mulch in bulk and deliver it yourself? You could probably then add a material markup too.

I could do it by the bulk.Im afraid i end up short.They charge $75.00 for deliver.

EasyPro
01-11-2009, 09:36 PM
I could do it by the bulk.Im afraid i end up short.They charge $75.00 for deliver.

wow 2 days on a mulch job???????

lawnboy72
01-11-2009, 09:41 PM
wow 2 days on a mulch job???????

No,one day job.Remove and replace new mulch.Do you think is to much?

EasyPro
01-12-2009, 06:16 AM
$40.00hrx16=$640.00 -so is that for two guys? so your charging 20/man hour?
mulch 60bagsx$2.09Buy bulk mulch its much cheaper
remove old and replace new


get us some pictures of what you are working on

lawnboy72
01-12-2009, 02:52 PM
I was way off.The docter agree on $1,200 for the job.He allso want's the office done too.I got really luckey.He said that's what he paid last year.I'll send you a picture when im done.

Steve
01-12-2009, 03:06 PM
I was way off.The docter agree on $1,200 for the job.He allso want's the office done too.I got really luckey.He said that's what he paid last year.I'll send you a picture when im done.

Keep track of your time and the amount of mulch you needed. It will be interesting to see what was off, was it the man hours? The materials needed or a combination of both?

lawnboy72
01-12-2009, 06:26 PM
Keep track of your time and the amount of mulch you needed. It will be interesting to see what was off, was it the man hours? The materials needed or a combination of both?

I really dont know?He's going by last year quote.11 yards of mulch.
$23.00x11=$253.00 plus delivery.Can you figure it out?Let me know.I think he's nuts.I wont pay that.

EasyPro
01-12-2009, 09:14 PM
I really dont know?He's going by last year quote.11 yards of mulch.
$23.00x11=$253.00 plus delivery.Can you figure it out?Let me know.I think he's nuts.I wont pay that.

Can you PPLLLLEEEEAAASSSEEEE take pictures of the areas you will be mulching . . I have a hard time believing you are going to put down only 11 yards of mulch for 1200 bucks . . . I would be right at 667 dollars for 11 yards of mulch that is put down . . .

c4trash
01-28-2009, 11:26 PM
Hi,Is that $75.00 hour.I live in fl,people are very cheap.$75.00 hour x man power= Is that correct? I'm jumping up and down.

Looking at your figures I am assuming this rate is for people using fancy rideon lawn mowers doing large contracts I doubt whether the equipment and vehicle costs would be the same if you were doing domestic lawns

My system I use for pricing is quite complex so depends on how complicated you want to get
I did my calculations in MS Excel with linked spreadsheets where I have 1 x workbook with 12 separate sheets ie Cash flow Forecast Charge out Rates Equipment Costs Vehicle and Mileage etc
These are all cross linked to my charge out rates
Say for example the price of gas goes up I enter it into the $/gal into my figures and automatically it will recalculate charge out rates for vehicles and equipment
I also have based my prices on 20/Cuts per annum and this factors in not only the wet days but also takes into account the weeks when lawns don't grow
I went to my local Government Statistics site and checked on both average rainfall and sunshine hours for my area for each month and did an average for the year which is also factored in to my rate and have Both a Break Even Cost also column for various profit margins
My charge out rate also includes a labor Only and Rates for each item of equipment
When I do a quote I can gauge what is required then looking up my table calculate my charge out rate
In my invoicing program (QuickInvoice Pro) where I have entered not only my customers but all various standard jobs and pricing into the system
When Invoicing I can go to a drop down list and add it to the invoice and print it out or create a PDF and email it to client I can also extract the data to update my Accounts and Cash flows
Sounds all very complicated but in todays economic climate it is important to have your finger on the pulse of your business and if something doesn't seem right with costs it probably isn't
My oldman taught me that its better to make a small profit and be turning work over regularly than charge too much and not get any

Mike's LawnCare Landscape
01-29-2009, 08:10 AM
Can you PPLLLLEEEEAAASSSEEEE take pictures of the areas you will be mulching . . I have a hard time believing you are going to put down only 11 yards of mulch for 1200 bucks . . . I would be right at 667 dollars for 11 yards of mulch that is put down . . .

You must be a $60 per yard man . Thats what I did for 2008 and did ok !!
This years prices going to start at $75 per yard (2 yards Min) then Goback down to the $60-$65 mark per for bigger and open mulh jobs!!
If the job is open and easy from the pile of mulch (big flower beds )
I would bid $65 yard X 11 yards makes it $715. That's no clean up and no removing of the old mulch .

Steve
01-29-2009, 08:15 AM
Mike,

Does your mulch price per yard include the delivery and installation of it? What about removal of the old mulch? How long on average does it take to spread a yard of mulch?

lawnboy72
01-29-2009, 11:37 AM
You must be a $60 per yard man . Thats what I did for 2008 and did ok !!
This years prices going to start at $75 per yard (2 yards Min) then Goback down to the $60-$65 mark per for bigger and open mulh jobs!!
If the job is open and easy from the pile of mulch (big flower beds )
I would bid $65 yard X 11 yards makes it $715. That's no clean up and no removing of the old mulch .

Ya,$60 per yard.This last job was a pain.He had me remove old mulch,replace new net trim shrbs ,flower bed,small palm tree for $1,200.Took 3 days.

lawnboy72
01-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Mike,

Does your mulch price per yard include the delivery and installation of it? How long on average does it take to spread a yard of mulch?

Hey steve,I did that mulch job.It was not worth it.11 yards,clean out flower bed,trim shurbs,palm tree and haul away.After i paid helper and dump fee,i was left $150. for me.

lawnboy72
01-29-2009, 12:37 PM
Need help with new flyers idea.Im looking for something interesting.