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Steve
11-08-2006, 06:03 PM
I saw this post and thought I would pass it on. Good information. I am sorry Mike ran into these problems with Symbiot. If he has any further insight, I hope he can please share it with us.

Quote[/b] ] Does Symbiot/ SMG still owe you money?
Hello All - I want to keep this as positive as possible....If you truly want to try to help put this to rest and steer others away from what we all have gone through for several years then please respond and keep it professional.

We had contact with Matt Glover in Hartford, CT and it was the same old song and dance, lies and deceit.....

As you all know Symbiot Business Group has dissolved the Symbiot Snow Network LLC. on June 12th, 2006 leaving all of us holding the bag. I am sure any assets that remained were 'slid' into another branch of the business. Symbiot continues to sell snow and are actively trying to recruit new subs. Do not fall victim to this plan!



Following through with my commitment to spend 15-30 minutes a day on this Symbiot issue:

I am requesting that anyone who is owed money from Symbiot/ SMG email me at symbiotfraud@northcountrysnowplowing.com

If you know anyone who is owed money please have them contact me also.

I am requesting Company Name and Address, Contact Name and Number, Amount owed and by whom (SMG or Symbiot)

If you have any time please contact any Symbiot P3 partner and explain to them why you and your colleagues will not conduct business with their company as long as they are affiliated with Symbiot. Then follow through!! …and close your accounts!

I would like to have this information ready in the event that we move against Symbiot and to make the public aware of Symbiot's business practices. Thank you for your time and cooperation.

Michael Merrill
NCSAIM

tiedeman
11-08-2006, 09:50 PM
It was too bad that they took a great company that John Allin(sp) built, and turned it into cr@p. At least John is doing the Snow Dragon stuff now though

Steve
11-09-2006, 01:27 PM
I think this was a business built on a house of cards. Too much debt brought everything down.

In theory the idea sounded good. Have one large national company bid on jobs across the country and then sub them out but I guess in practice it wasn't feasible.

It has got to be very difficult to work with so many sub-contractors and get paid then pay everyone on time.

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 05:16 PM
That is very true. I also think though that the new owners of the company, when they bought it from John Allin, screwed around with things too much. Like they moved the main office from New York out to Utah. After that happened John quit.

Steve
11-09-2006, 06:40 PM
When they bought it from John, was the region he handled nationwide or was it mainly in the PA area?

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:24 PM
With John, it was called Snow Management Group....if I remember correctly. I thought that they did a lot of work nationwide. Took care of the Olympics in Utah among other things.

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:25 PM
Article (http://www.landscapemanagement.net/landscape/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=132991)

Here is one article that I found about the merger

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:27 PM
Money Earnings (http://www.tcla.com/articles/snow-business-50.htm)

He was number two on this list

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:28 PM
Snow Dragon (http://www.snowdragonmelters.com/)


This is what John does now

Steve
11-09-2006, 10:34 PM
Good stuff! I sure hope he wasn't paid with stock from the Symbiot group!

Did John start this new company from scratch?

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:39 PM
I think that he joined with someone, whether it be a partner, investment I don't know though. If you go to the contact page you can find him in there eventually and his title is "President".

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:41 PM
Contact Us (http://snowdragonmelters.com/Home_Office.aspx)

He is the first contact box at the top left. Scroll down a little

tiedeman
11-09-2006, 10:43 PM
Joined (http://snowdragonmelters.com/ASSETS/433F0B63EA7C40A8B131E308FA1A5913/PR%20JOHN%20ALLIN.pdf)

Letter of announcement of when he joined

Steve
11-09-2006, 11:43 PM
Interesting stuff!

I did a search for symbiot and found this advertisement.