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EatingEmoKids
06-02-2008, 11:46 PM
So I worked on my first edging job today, it's going pretty good. I started actually saturday but got put off because of rain. so I went and finished the front yard today and started a little in the back. I dont have a special edging tool just a spade. please feel free to give me your feedback on my job and point out anything I could improve.

I had a number of people walk by and tell me I was doing a good job while I worked on the sidewalks.

after: grass had grown over the side walk 4-8 inches
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-sidewalk1.jpg
in the process of edging the driveway
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-driveway.jpg
before and during pictures of the front garden
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-before01.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-before02.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-before03.jpg
After Pictures:
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-after01.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-after02.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/front-garden-after03.jpg

edit: btw I did not put down new mulch. I think the home owners plan to do that them selfs.

UniversityLandscapers
06-03-2008, 01:24 AM
Looks good...I'd suggest an edging tool or a flat shovel if you're looking to speed things up. It's amazing how much of a difference a clean edge makes to the overall appearance of a yard.

Steve
06-03-2008, 03:24 AM
Hi Matt,

Great job! Do you have business cards on you at all times? When people are walking by, complimenting you, you should hand them a business card!

Will you be putting these pictures on your website?

Also, what's your view on using edgeing borders? Plastic or metal?

quickcleanlawn
06-03-2008, 08:55 AM
wow, you did all of that with a spade shovel ?That looks great!
how many hrs. did it take to complete ?

EatingEmoKids
06-03-2008, 04:43 PM
Thanks Dave. Do you have a link to an edging tool online so I can see what it looks like?

Steve, I actually never have them while I am doing work but I now plan to take them with me all the time. I think I could have gotten at least one more job if I had my cards with me to hand out.

I currently dont have a website :-\ haha it's funny how I help other people set up websites but do not have my own. I'm still not sure how serious I want to get with lawn care tho, my dream job would be website design and optimization.. I just dont have enough clients to keep me busy all the time. When I set up my website I will put these images on there.

I have never used any edger borders, although I have seen a few places that have those black plastic ones. I dont think they look all that great but I think bricks look real nice.

lol thanks Blaine! yeah this couple I know used to do a lot of landscaping but not that much anymore. They showed me how to edge it with a spade and it seems very simple.

it took about 5 and a half hours for the front and 3 and a half for the back. I had an issue with rain in the front which added probably an extra hours worth of work or more..

before and after pictures of the backyard (some of it)
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-before01.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-after01.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-before02.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-after02.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-before03.jpg
http://www.buddystyles.com/back-after03.jpg

Steve
06-03-2008, 05:56 PM
Hi Matt,

I'd say get a website up. It would help you sell web site design services as well because you could use your as an example of what you can do with seo.

Do you have any advice to offer me on seo for this site? I'd love to hear it, even if you wanna start another post to do it.

UniversityLandscapers
06-04-2008, 01:08 AM
It's basically just a little flat blade kinda thing, they've got them at Home Depot for sure.

Here's a pic of one I found...let me know if the link works

Edger Pic (http://www.hardwarestore.com/media/product/183939_front200.jpg)

EatingEmoKids
06-05-2008, 01:25 PM
Steve, I will work on a website and try to have one up within the week to show off my design and seo abilities.

I'd love to give you some feedback, are you tracking your stats for this site with google analytics (or another tracker)? If your already getting search engine traffic I could give you some advice on how to move up in rankings for the phrases your site shows up for.

Thanks Dave, that link works! hmm It looks like you would be able to edge faster with that tool then with a spade.. I might have to go pick one up before my next edging job.

also I need some opinions, for the edging job I just did in the pictures. The total price came out to be $90.. Is that fair or did I low ball my self or charge to much?

UniversityLandscapers
06-05-2008, 06:16 PM
Price seems low...for 9 hours (at the $35 per hour I charge) I would've charged $315

Andrew's Lawn Care
06-05-2008, 10:58 PM
That is the type off work that makes everything else in the yard look better.

NICE WORK! http://www.gophergraphics.com/forum/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Looks GREAT http://www.gophergraphics.com/forum/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/yourock.gif

quickcleanlawn
06-06-2008, 11:25 AM
yea, I would have charged $200 - $300 bucks
how long did it take you from start to finish?

pnplawn
06-23-2008, 01:27 AM
Am I missing something here? Why didnt you use a gas edger ?

EatingEmoKids
06-23-2008, 01:31 AM
didnt know they made a gas edger ;) plus I just started out lawn care this summer to give it a try for myself and see how I liked it.. how expensive and easy to use is a gas edger?

pnplawn
06-23-2008, 02:15 AM
didnt know they made a gas edger ;) plus I just started out lawn care this summer to give it a try for myself and see how I liked it.. how expensive and easy to use is a gas edger?

Yea it would cut that job 99% You could did all that about 15 minutes.



http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImage/6d5a84d9-e254-46a9-b44e-d7a2911beab0_300.jpg

Steve
06-23-2008, 08:10 AM
Do you think knowing this will make you want to go out and get one? Do you have enough edge work to make it worth your while?

taxsolver71
06-24-2008, 12:39 PM
Matt, nice job on the edging. What I might do different if you didnt do it already is to clean the edge with your weedwhacker. Makes the edge that much cleaner to the eye.

Mike
Muldoon's Landscaping Inc

StartALawnCareBusiness
06-24-2008, 09:02 PM
Nice work.

$90 is probably a fair price for the work but I agree with PNP...you must get away from using a spade as your primary tool.

Get a gas edger or 2 (stick type that PNP showed and/or a 3hp+ push type) also get the "half-moon" hand edger for detailed work.

Why didn't you sell them on edging? You could have tripled your profit.

No worries...you're learning. Learning is what this forum is for.

Good luck. You're doing great.

Keith

EatingEmoKids
06-24-2008, 11:31 PM
Yea it would cut that job 99% You could did all that about 15 minutes.



http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImage/6d5a84d9-e254-46a9-b44e-d7a2911beab0_300.jpg

thanks PNP

Do you think knowing this will make you want to go out and get one? Do you have enough edge work to make it worth your while?

Yes this is making me very interested.. I do not have many edging jobs but I think I could get a bunch if I advertised it.. I'll let you know if I go through with this.

Matt, nice job on the edging. What I might do different if you didnt do it already is to clean the edge with your weedwhacker. Makes the edge that much cleaner to the eye.

Mike
Muldoon's Landscaping Inc

Thanks Mike, The edges in the front by the flower beds could have used this I think in a few places.. I'll be sure to try it out next time!

Nice work.

$90 is probably a fair price for the work but I agree with PNP...you must get away from using a spade as your primary tool.

Get a gas edger or 2 (stick type that PNP showed and/or a 3hp+ push type) also get the "half-moon" hand edger for detailed work.

Why didn't you sell them on edging? You could have tripled your profit.

No worries...you're learning. Learning is what this forum is for.

Good luck. You're doing great.

Keith

Keith, thanks for replying... Could you explain to me what you mean byt why didnt I sell them on edging? I'm interested in what you mean.. Thanks so much!

StartALawnCareBusiness
06-25-2008, 01:16 AM
Keith, thanks for replying... Could you explain to me what you mean byt why didnt I sell them on edging? I'm interested in what you mean.. Thanks so much!

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

I meant to say: installing landscape edging.

Landscape edging will help make the border permanent. If you are going for a plastic edge, purchase the best quality material you can buy. Metal edge is even better as it won't get chewed up by your weedeater.

It sounds like you tried to sell them a mulching job too? Don't take "no" as an answer.

You should have lots of counters to their objections. Let them know that you buy in bulk so you can get them a better price, tell them that you have a "vision" for their yard which includes color and type of edging and mulch, explain how difficult and dirty it is to haul and install mulch. Always have at least two counters to every objection.

Look at this short article I wrote last year on the art of countering customer objections to always make the sale:

http://www.startalawncarebusiness.com/lawn_customer_objections.html

Additionally, take a look at my main website. It seems like you are off to a great start and this might be very beneficial to you:

http://www.StartALawnCareBusiness.com
Lawn Care Business Program (http://www.StartALawnCareBusiness.com)

Keith

Steve
06-25-2008, 02:48 AM
tell them that you have a "vision" for their yard which includes color and type of edging and mulch,

Keith,

One of our forum members in the past, Tim, would tell us how he would create a landscape design for his current lawn maintenance customers so he could sell them on his 'vision' of how their yard could be.

Did you ever find yourself doing that or how best would you advise lawn care business owners to sell that 'vision.'

StartALawnCareBusiness
06-26-2008, 08:39 AM
Keith,

...how best would you advise lawn care business owners to sell that 'vision.'


Most residential lawn care customers do not require an elaborate presentation.

Have some large notepads made with your business information and logo at the top. Simply carry it with you to estimates and sketch basic designs of how you can enhance the look of their property.

The sketch with prices and details can act as a purchase order agreement if the customer agrees right away. If the customer does not agree immediately, leave your sketch behind as a reminder of the vision you have for their property.

Keith

Steve
06-27-2008, 12:06 AM
That is a great idea.

I bet you could include something like that in an invoice too if you notice something about the customer's property that you would like to improve upon.

UniversityLandscapers
06-27-2008, 01:41 AM
I had this strategy work for me the other day. I was bidding a maintenance job for a guy's lawn and I ended up selling him on landscaping a large empty patch of garden in his front yard...got a solid day's worth of work. I just used photoshop to draw up a rough layout with circles showing where plants would be at the approximate size, then included another page with pictures and descriptions of the plants I am using off the internet.

Steve
06-27-2008, 01:50 AM
Did you just do this on your own initiative or did the customer ask first for you to come up with some ideas?

How did you go about presenting this to the customer initially?

Did you just say, I have some great ideas to spruce up your yard?

pzittere
07-27-2013, 10:54 PM
I agree dont give your work away.
$30-$35 per hour seems fair.

Cashin H&P
07-27-2013, 11:45 PM
This thread is from 2008....