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rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 01:01 PM
When it comes to what equipment to buy ,People often want you to tell them what they want to here and not the truth. I find this to be true with beginners when they post for advice. I was a beginner once my self. If a guy that has made it listen to him. I try to model myself after people who are successful I don't anymore take advice from people who are not successful or if I do I take it with a grain of salt. oh how I wish I would've listen to people who knew what they were talking about when I was younger. I guess it's all about growing up.

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-18-2013, 01:12 PM
we get this a lot with newbies post about homeowner equipment. When you tell them get commercial grade equipment they get pissed off.

I tell them go used its cheaper then the newer homeowner garbage. They want something shiny and new though. Somehow they figure a new mower designed to last a 150 hours is better then a used mower designed to last 1000s.

We see this with business stuff too. I make 60k a year, im gonna quit my job and get rich doing this. Well good luck with that buddy.

Then the guys that charge $20-$25 a lawn and cut 20-30 yards. You tell them raise your prices work less for more money. Then they tell you its impossible, it only takes 10 mins or I have low overhead so I'm fine.

I dont think people see how many are just part timers or own a job. Theres very few that really own a business here.

Cashin H&P
03-18-2013, 02:36 PM
we get this a lot with newbies post about homeowner equipment. When you tell them get commercial grade equipment they get pissed off.

I tell them go used its cheaper then the newer homeowner garbage. They want something shiny and new though. Somehow they figure a new mower designed to last a 150 hours is better then a used mower designed to last 1000s.

We see this with business stuff too. I make 60k a year, im gonna quit my job and get rich doing this. Well good luck with that buddy.

Then the guys that charge $20-$25 a lawn and cut 20-30 yards. You tell them raise your prices work less for more money. Then they tell you its impossible, it only takes 10 mins or I have low overhead so I'm fine.

I dont think people see how many are just part timers or own a job. Theres very few that really own a business here.

Couldnt agree more.

rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 03:27 PM
[QUOTE=wat5150;123658]Too many people with too much time on their hands and lame info is my take on this. If your a big shot big time landscaper then great, but beating on your chest about it and saying listen to me is lame. Just saying there are ways to give advice without sounding like
I agree

dpld
03-18-2013, 04:05 PM
Too many people with too much time on their hands and lame info is my take on this. If your a big shot big time landscaper then great, but beating on your chest about it and saying listen to me is lame. Just saying there are ways to give advice without sounding like a tool.


i think the people with the biggest gripe about taking advice are the newbies and all too often follow the advice of the newbies instead of swallowing a little pride and accepting it.

i get that response from people here from time to time and some young kids starting out think that i can not relate to them because i am already established and because i had some success that i can not feel their pain or understand where they are coming from.
but what gets lost in it all is that i started from there too and one day not too long ago i was a young dude plotting making my mark on the world.

the only difference between me and say some 18 year old kid on here is i am older and have been at it longer and had a head start due to being older but if they stay true to the course they set and stay at it they too will be in my position one day.

you also got to realize that sometimes a particular person might not be beating their chest at all and that may only be how the reader perceived it.
after all none of us including myself are professional writers or astute educated people, i am not saying any of us is stupid or nothing like that but it sometimes can be hard to convey your thoughts articulately in this format and maybe if you were hearing the words straight out of our mouths in person you would understand where they are coming from a little better.

lastly, as in any subject in life if you put a question out there in a public format such as this you are gonna get some replies that you don't want to hear.
but maybe the answer is not so much the wrong answer it is just what you don't want to hear.
humans by nature will ask questions hoping to hear the answer they want to hear and not the the answer they really need to hear.

JLM
03-18-2013, 08:42 PM
I find it odd that the busy companys who post on Gopher daily...Would even have the time to do so....Just sayin:cool:....Most are dreamers others are full of it.

If you want to know... learn don't ask.

I have my way you have yours....Others just make it up as they go along.

This will be my last post... When this thread is done so am I......We are growing at a rapid rate and I just don't have time....
Good luck in your venture!

Cashin H&P
03-18-2013, 08:54 PM
I find it odd that the busy companys who post on Gopher daily...Would even have the time to do so....Just sayin:cool:....Most are dreamers others are full of it.

If you want to know... learn don't ask.

I have my way you have yours....Others just make it up as they go along.

This will be my last post... When this thread is done so am I......We are growing at a rapid rate and I just don't have time....
Good luck in your venture!

So becuase its winter and not all of us live in areas that dont get snow means us guys up north dont run busy companys? I come on her daily. On lunch breaks on my phone, at night after work, on rainy days in between paper work. I would rather talk on here then on facebook. I can at least learn some thing here.

With your attitude im glad you are done here.

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-18-2013, 09:06 PM
I find it odd that the busy companys who post on Gopher daily...Would even have the time to do so....Just sayin:cool:....Most are dreamers others are full of it.

If you want to know... learn don't ask.

I have my way you have yours....Others just make it up as they go along.

This will be my last post... When this thread is done so am I......We are growing at a rapid rate and I just don't have time....
Good luck in your venture!

Its early I'm still bidding commercial properties. Thats a good thing because I have a few days free as of now.

Still cold here too its actually snowing right now. Might have to put the plows back on. Luckily I left a sander on one truck.

I see it the other way when I was solo. I didnt have time for nothing. Now with 3 trucks and 2 crews I can take a step back and enjoy myself. In a few years Ill be sitting in a office the majority of time and just doing QC checks.

SNethercutt
03-18-2013, 10:29 PM
Sect how long have you been in the business. Good to hear another success story. I have to agree a lot of people new to something are quite hostile. I was that way when I first started.I worked at a dirt yard, in a medium sized town. Landscapers were in and out all the time. I have been around business people my whole life, so I understand a lot. I would talk to them about their business not getting too personal. I one day said I can do that. When I talked to them about starting they told me "the work is easy, and with your knowledge you won't have any problem running it. Getting customers is the hard part with all the competition." I thought whatever so I started mowing yards part time.... got a few accounts, quit my job and went to college full time mowing. I went back to work at the dirt yard for a few months, still mowing and in school. I wore myself out, I had no choice I found out I had a baby on the way. Then it all just started coming together. Last August, which was 2 years to the month since I started this endeavour I had my most profitable month, over 10,000 profit. I know to some people that isn't a lot and to me it isn't but to make it own my own feels great.

I grew up with a silver spoon ( something I will never do to my son no matter how much money we have) I ended up with a drug addiction in high school and did some stupid ****. Now I'm 22 and still facing that music, but I will be done with that the 25th of this month.

The biggest advice I have for any new guy is listen to those experienced guys. I am still wet behind the ears. But I will tell you the guys that have been doing it for 10 15 or 20+ years aren't still in the business because they loose their *** off every year. I'm all ears for free advice. Especially from someone who has been there done that.

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-18-2013, 11:38 PM
This is my 4th year legit, I did test the water for a half a year. I come close to doubling revenue every year since I started. This year I lost more accounts then I gained but its still early and I just bid on two properties that total over 100k for the year. Either one will make me happy but I would love both.

I'm by no means a big company. I just got lucky and been doing commercial work since season one. The big boys around here have dozens of trucks and dabble in everything from garbage removal to construction. These are commercial only companies.

I'm still learning myself. Once you reach that spot where you think you know it all its the beginning of your downfall.

I recently traded a liftgate for a sander. When I brought it to the guy he had a huge warehouse. He was a asphalt/snow removal company. I picked his brain as much as I could. Thats the set up I want. My own little garage with space for materials.

dpld
03-19-2013, 08:42 AM
I find it odd that the busy companys who post on Gopher daily...Would even have the time to do so....Just sayin:cool:....Most are dreamers others are full of it.

If you want to know... learn don't ask.

I have my way you have yours....Others just make it up as they go along.

This will be my last post... When this thread is done so am I......We are growing at a rapid rate and I just don't have time....
Good luck in your venture!


well, i find it odd that people with ZERO experience with absolutely no clue as to what they are doing are starting a business doing what they have no clue in doing.

if you don't ask you will not learn.

why are all these aspiring landscapers wasting their days on here instead of out there pursuing their dreams instead of being here trying to learn short cuts?

why are they not out there trying to drum up business and working a second job to give themselves more resources ? i did for the last 23 years and that is why i can sit here and do as i wish because i now have minions out there doing my bidding for me.

i live in the north east and outside of snow there is not much going on right now and my contracts were already done last November and my equipment is ready to roll. so outside of anything new coming in we are locked and loaded and ready for the spring.

i joined this site to talk shop with fellow tradesman and i did not know until after the fact that most here are newbies and to be quite honest i have grown to enjoy giving insight to those starting out.
i have helped several former employees start successful businesses and i am thankful for what i have and feel blessed so i don't mind giving back.

you reap what you sow in life.


the sword of your argument cuts both ways my friend and it is good that you are done because your talking points are very thin.

Steve
03-19-2013, 09:06 PM
how I wish I would've listen to people who knew what they were talking about when I was younger. I guess it's all about growing up.

What lessons do you remember others trying to teach you that you just didn't want to hear? How do you feel that by listening earlier to them, it would have effected you today?

LawnBoy0311
03-20-2013, 06:34 AM
You all are a bunch of whiners.

Tomorrow morning I'm signing a loan for 100K. I'm quitting my job, investing in cardboard bicycle snow plows with lawncareman and will then brag about how big we get next week.



Wish me luck.

Oh, P.S.- weekendwarrior is our Op's manager! :p

Cashin H&P
03-20-2013, 06:44 AM
You all are a bunch of whiners.

Tomorrow morning I'm signing a loan for 100K. I'm quitting my job, investing in cardboard bicycle snow plows with lawncareman and will then brag about how big we get next week.



Wish me luck.

Oh, P.S.- weekendwarrior is our Op's manager! :p

Dont forget to hire him to do all of your hauling, you know since hes getting a 3500 dully and "trading up" for a 24 ' enclosed trailer.


I bet you guys will do awesome! hahaha

LawnBoy0311
03-20-2013, 06:49 AM
I'll be the first to admit, and most of you know, I'm only a part timer. I work for a large company during the day, and then work for myself mid afternoon. I don't do snow removal...we hardly get any...and I can take the winters off. Last year was the first year by myself. I did well, but expect to double this year. I work very long hours, but keep telling myself "it all stops in mid November!!". I like what I do, for now, but will be changing soon. Would I want to be a bigger company? Of course....but it takes time, experience, and research.

Without this forum I wouldn't know a lot about what I do. While I have the experience, I'll never know it all. I like to read the posts, learn what others do, and plan for the future.

5 years ago, I left the Marine Corps in my white ford explorer packed with clothes and 2 guitars (which I later sold to pay my car bill...). I had gotten back from Iraq the month prior, and was out on my own with no job. I lived in my inlaws house and then rented an apartment. I'm 28 now, married, 2 pieces of property, and gearing up for my future goals. Most importantly, I'm happy what I do.

Like anything else, RESEARCH before you try!! There is a lot of advice on here that comes from dreamers. By that I mean the guy who "ran his lawn care company for a month, but is telling you to take a loan out and buy all brand new top of the line equipment". Let's face it, not everything on the internet is true, but theres a lot of dman good advice. Just weed out the BS.

LawnBoy0311
03-20-2013, 06:54 AM
Dont forget to hire him to do all of your hauling, you know since hes getting a 3500 dully and "trading up" for a 24 ' enclosed trailer.


I bet you guys will do awesome! hahaha

I forgot about him!!!

I'll send him a PM and see if he wants in on this busniess venture. Thanks Cashin!

rockymtnnut
03-20-2013, 10:56 AM
What lessons do you remember others trying to teach you that you just didn't want to hear? How do you feel that by listening earlier to them, it would have effected you today?

Be organized, be revenue driven not numbers driven you cant spend "accounts "but you do spend revenue. the most expensive tooll you will ever own is a cheap one. Home owner brand will fail you. Know your cost, lowballing is a sin, profit is not a dirty word, quality is king, Above all keep your integrity and trust in Christ.
By listening to them I would have bought into technology sooner and not have been behind the learning curve I am now. I could have tracked my cost and droped low profit or no profit business. It makes no sense to make 25$ /hr when it keeps you from earning 75/hr. Marketing is so much more than flyers and a cheesy business card . I did not see this when i was younger . It is possible to be very good and very fast. To do this you have to be willing tospend money on the best equipment within reason. And I looked at employee s as a liability and not as a asset oh what a mistake this was. That truly kept me from growing.

I hope this helps.

rockymtnnut
03-20-2013, 11:17 AM
Dont forget to hire him to do all of your hauling, you know since hes getting a 3500 dully and "trading up" for a 24 ' enclosed trailer.


I bet you guys will do awesome! hahaha

Be easy on him, he is a young man trying to get started he may be a little unorthodox but i think his heart is in the right place. We were all young once ourselves.

Steve
03-20-2013, 12:44 PM
Marketing is so much more than flyers and a cheesy business card . I did not see this when i was younger ......... And I looked at employee s as a liability and not as a asset oh what a mistake this was. That truly kept me from growing.

This is very interesting!

When you say marketing is so much more than flyers and business cards, what is your view now on it? What more does it consist of?

Also as far as employees go, what do you attribute your initial view of employees as liabilities and then what changed your mind on them?

JLM
03-20-2013, 08:37 PM
With your attitude im glad you are done here.[/QUOTE]

Sorry if I got under your grass buddy....But everything I stated is true.
If it were not for my attitude, I would have never made it this far. In this business you gotta have thick skin and make no excuses for who you are or what you do.

I wish you well and I am sorry.....Truth hurts.

JLM
03-20-2013, 08:50 PM
I see it the other way when I was solo. I didnt have time for nothing. Now with 3 trucks and 2 crews I can take a step back and enjoy myself. In a few years Ill be sitting in a office the majority of time and just doing QC checks.[/QUOTE]


I feel ya man!
When it all comes together it's kinda easy to get caught with your pants down.

We currently run 2 trucks and 4 men, complete with a daycare LOL!

I am happy to know you have seen it from both sides...I feel you understand what I was trying to say.

You make no excuses... I bet guys can learn something from your post...I can
I will just say.. we are cut from the same cloth along with many others who post on here.

Hey do you know any good babysitters? I am running out of time for that too.
:D

JLM
03-20-2013, 09:10 PM
[QUOTE=dpld;123753]well, i find it odd that people with ZERO experience with absolutely no clue as to what they are doing are starting a business doing what they have no clue in doing.

if you don't ask you will not learn.

the sword of your argument cuts both ways my friend and it is good that you are done because your talking points are very thin.

You can ask all the questions you want....BUT if you have not worked in this field asking is simply not enough.......BOTTOM LINE!

My talking points are thin??? I guess if that is your take.
Truth cuts deep I understant that...If I got under your skin I am sorry.
One day you might see it my way.

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-20-2013, 09:55 PM
When it all comes together it's kinda easy to get caught with your pants down.

We currently run 2 trucks and 4 men, complete with a daycare LOL!

I am happy to know you have seen it from both sides...I feel you understand what I was trying to say.

You make no excuses... I bet guys can learn something from your post...I can
I will just say.. we are cut from the same cloth along with many others who post on here.

Hey do you know any good babysitters? I am running out of time for that too..

I'm in luck this year. My mom moved back from florida so I have two grandmas now. Babysitters at 4 am with no notice is at a premium these days. It was the babysitting that started making me hire more guys. I rather pay someone to work then to babysit. Plus I wont let anyone but family watch my princess. To me I rather make a few dollars less and spend all the time in the world with my daughter.

dpld
03-21-2013, 07:04 AM
With your attitude im glad you are done here.

Sorry if I got under your grass buddy....But everything I stated is true.
If it were not for my attitude, I would have never made it this far. In this business you gotta have thick skin and make no excuses for who you are or what you do.

I wish you well and I am sorry.....Truth hurts.


no hurt feelings here pal, just felt compelled to let you know what a @zz you sounded like.
nice logo, where did you get that from ? it looks like some of the generic logos found on here.

dpld
03-21-2013, 07:09 AM
I see it the other way when I was solo. I didnt have time for nothing. Now with 3 trucks and 2 crews I can take a step back and enjoy myself. In a few years Ill be sitting in a office the majority of time and just doing QC checks.


I feel ya man!
When it all comes together it's kinda easy to get caught with your pants down.

We currently run 2 trucks and 4 men, complete with a daycare LOL!

I am happy to know you have seen it from both sides...I feel you understand what I was trying to say.

You make no excuses... I bet guys can learn something from your post...I can
I will just say.. we are cut from the same cloth along with many others who post on here.

Hey do you know any good babysitters? I am running out of time for that too.
:D[/QUOTE]



could not help you with the babysitter, never needed one.
when you make real money your wife can stay home and deal with that herself.

rockymtnnut
03-21-2013, 07:49 AM
Steve i will get back to your question . I what to comment on a post by lawnboy i never suggested to go deeply in debt but after 3 years and a guy is still using a push mower its time to re think your business plan. Common sense dont you think.
People tend to be rude because its easier then thinking it through you know its kinda easy to be an *** to somebody when they're on a form they're not in front of you. forms like this are for people who want to help 1 another. business is a lot of common sense. when you don't use common sense expect people to point that out.

rockymtnnut
03-21-2013, 08:31 AM
This is very interesting!

When you say marketing is so much more than flyers and business cards, what is your view now on it? What more does it consist of?

Also as far as employees go, what do you attribute your initial view of employees as liabilities and then what changed your mind on them?

Marketing Marketing used to be business cards flyers and the supermarket billboard. now for the first time in my life I'm having a web page designed. Once that is done I'm purchasing client list with very specific demographics. no 1 owns the Yellow Pages anymore. mailings is another 1 the thought never crossed my mind years ago but if you want to grow in today's age that's another 1 you gotta approach.
with regards to an employee I always took the approach that why should I hire anybody? with wages workmans comp I kept thinking I can do it cheaper I can do it cheaper. until 1 day I realized my business was not growing, my cost we're low but so was my revenue. I could.n't spend any time with my children, and put it bluntly my customers were dying off. so I hired somebody part tme. my revenue jump about 110 percent there was very little down time to speak of now i was getting done in quicker than half the time. Now i have time to fill. Now i realized i needed to be runnig the business not souch working in the field. Supervision is very important no one will give your business the attention you do and dont expect them to either. I would say emoyees are the very most important investment you can make.

Steve
03-21-2013, 12:15 PM
I find it odd that the busy companys who post on Gopher daily...Would even have the time to do so....Just sayin....Most are dreamers others are full of it.

If you want to know... learn don't ask.

I have my way you have yours....Others just make it up as they go along.

This will be my last post... When this thread is done so am I......We are growing at a rapid rate and I just don't have time....
Good luck in your venture!

Having the time to do other things, like talk shop on here, could be a sign of good management processes within your company. Anyone can immerse themselves into their business and never come up for air, but if you are looking to do this or anything for the long haul, you have to pace yourself or you will burn yourself out.

LawnBoy0311
03-21-2013, 12:56 PM
Steve i will get back to your question . I what to comment on a post by lawnboy i never suggested to go deeply in debt but after 3 years and a guy is still using a push mower its time to re think your business plan. Common sense dont you think.
People tend to be rude because its easier then thinking it through you know its kinda easy to be an *** to somebody when they're on a form they're not in front of you. forms like this are for people who want to help 1 another. business is a lot of common sense. when you don't use common sense expect people to point that out.

Um.....what the he!! Are you talking about. I never made any refence to you saying go into debt.

In reference to my previous post since you clearly missed the mark, do some research and you'll see what I was talking about.

JLM
03-22-2013, 05:30 PM
We currently run 2 trucks and 4 men, complete with a daycare LOL!

Hey do you know any good babysitters? I am running out of time for that too.
:D[/QUOTE]



could not help you with the babysitter, never needed one.
when you make real money your wife can stay home and deal with that herself.[/QUOTE]

I thought I was speaking to a busisness owner....you crack me up!:rolleyes:

I guess you dont have employees.

I feel like im running a daycare.....Oh nevermind.

JLM
03-22-2013, 05:36 PM
nice logo, where did you get that from ? it looks like some of the generic logos found on here.[/QUOTE]

The logo was made by a friend of mine he works for sir speedy printing...If you dont like the logo then dont go to sir speedy.

If you were offended by my post then you should be.

Attacking me will not land you any work.

If you dont believe me just ASK someone.

Haters Gonna Hate:cool:.....Got that off a cartoon LOL!

Dont bother with a reply...Im out

wandfsmall
03-22-2013, 07:24 PM
Dang guys be nice, both side have a little merit. If you go out and spend $100,000 on equipment you will never last. However if you buy box store junk and expect to make a good living your nuts. Use what you can afford to when you start out but plan ahead, don't be a fool and buy a ryobi or weedeater trimmer that has almost enough power to cut a single blade of grass when you can buy a good quality trimmer that will last for just a little bit more. Buy a mower like the Hustler raptor or a good walk behind rather then cheap stuff at home depot, they are the same price and have better engines on them.

dpld
03-23-2013, 08:45 AM
nice logo, where did you get that from ? it looks like some of the generic logos found on here.

The logo was made by a friend of mine he works for sir speedy printing...If you dont like the logo then dont go to sir speedy.

If you were offended by my post then you should be.

Attacking me will not land you any work.

If you dont believe me just ASK someone.

Haters Gonna Hate:cool:.....Got that off a cartoon LOL!

Dont bother with a reply...Im out[/QUOTE]




yeah your out like the last time you said so.

please dude stop already, you came here pretty much calling everyone here a poser or a dreamer and you have no clue what so ever.

you got 4 guys and two trucks, big deal.
i got 7 trucks and 12 employees and in the end who cares.

that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and the only one beating their chest and throwing stones is you.

it obviously is striking a nerve with you to be coming back against your claim that " i am out " so please go back to what ever rock you crawled out from under and you just keep on convincing yourself that 2 trucks and 4 workers is even remotely close to being a big business and you got all the answers.

jasonw
03-23-2013, 09:54 AM
By the time I read this entire thread I completely forgot what it was about. HMMMMMM I have one truck and 3 tractors, I have a baby sitter on staff but only part time because that's all I need. ohh ohh ohh I do have a lawn, one in front and a whole different one in back............... hmmmm Maybe I should read the beginning again.

I agree a lot can be learned from the experience on here but I have been in that same boat and I guess I still am a bit. While I am not sure I will continue working this year it is NOT because of my equipment. I have had VERY few issues with it over the years. I do have mostly low grade stuff but I take very very very good care of it and I am very pleased with it thus far, don't get me wrong I would LOVE some bigger, better stuff but a lot of us just can't finance something like a $10K mower. I think the "equipment" argument is just invalid, no doubt there is other advice that ABSOLUTELY should be taken but if what you use works for what you do then I don't see a reason to spend more money for more than you need. No doubt some of us will be happy and remain small time and some of us will go big time but so long as we are having a good time providing a quality service while taking care of us and ours isn't that what really matters? Yes if you are doing 400 commercial properties a week with a Walmart mower you are in for a hard time but just because you don't have a thousand dollar or more mower does not mean you can't make money and upgrade as needed as your grow.