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googus
03-16-2013, 04:46 AM
Ok guys I am am thinking of the getting one of the two

Exmark metro 36
Exmark 30in

I am leaning towards the 30 because it seems I could load it into my truck via aluminum folding ramps. I don't want the added space and expense if a trailer at this time.

Has anyone have experience with the 30in and or ever loaded it onto a truck?

BelleCityLawn1
03-16-2013, 10:55 AM
googus,

I have a 36 inch Bobcat i have loaded into the back of a truck a few times with ramps. I would never put it up into the back of a 2500 or anything larger than a medium sized truck. The truck I put it into was a 95 dodge dakota but I think it would be much more difficult to get into anything bigger. Going up the ramps is not very hard if you have them lined up right and have the mower in a low gear, however, bringing the mower back down the ramps can be very tricky. I would much rather prefer a trailer. Hope this helps!

Belle City Lawn Care, LLC
Tim Oezer
Owner

googus
03-16-2013, 12:09 PM
googus,

I have a 36 inch Bobcat i have loaded into the back of a truck a few times with ramps. I would never put it up into the back of a 2500 or anything larger than a medium sized truck. The truck I put it into was a 95 dodge dakota but I think it would be much more difficult to get into anything bigger. Going up the ramps is not very hard if you have them lined up right and have the mower in a low gear, however, bringing the mower back down the ramps can be very tricky. I would much rather prefer a trailer. Hope this helps!

Belle City Lawn Care, LLC
Tim Oezer
Owner


I have a F150 super crew that has only a 5.5 bed. The other problem beside the 36 being more of a pain to load is that the 36 is 1400.00 more, then the bag is extra 250 and mulch kit more money. So by the end the 36 will be almost 2k more then the 30. Not really sure 6 in is worth that kinda money when I am not that big.

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-16-2013, 12:47 PM
I dont see the point of upgrading from a 21" to a 30". Your only going to get about a 20% time saving.

Hedgemaster has a thread on here about going from a 21" to a 36" and said theres not much difference.

A option is a cargo carrier that connects to the hitch. I seen them carrying large snowblowers but a walk behind might fit.

I operated a 44" walk behind out of a s10 for a year. So it can be done with a bigger mower and smaller truck.

Hedgemaster
03-16-2013, 04:44 PM
I dont see the point of upgrading from a 21" to a 30". Your only going to get about a 20% time saving.

Hedgemaster has a thread on here about going from a 21" to a 36" and said theres not much difference.

A option is a cargo carrier that connects to the hitch. I seen them carrying large snowblowers but a walk behind might fit.

I operated a 44" walk behind out of a s10 for a year. So it can be done with a bigger mower and smaller truck.


Yeah, I find that you can save time on larger "rectangular" lawns with the 36", but if there are lots of turns, and obstacles, it throws a wrench in getting it mowed quickly.

A cargo carrier for a walk behind? They may be available, but I can't imagine they'd be cheap. Mine would never haul one. It's good for my 21" and my 26" snowblower, but that's it. Only rated at 500 lbs capacity too.

googus
03-16-2013, 08:08 PM
Yeah, I find that you can save time on larger "rectangular" lawns with the 36", but if there are lots of turns, and obstacles, it throws a wrench in getting it mowed quickly.

A cargo carrier for a walk behind? They may be available, but I can't imagine they'd be cheap. Mine would never haul one. It's good for my 21" and my 26" snowblower, but that's it. Only rated at 500 lbs capacity too.



I respect all and any input.

After spending 40k on a f150 before this adventure I can't go get a cargo truck.
I also understand I will not be saving much from a 21 to a 30in
The lawns here are around 1/3 to 1/2 with a lot of fences.
I just want to keep a small business 25-30 lawns

See above
The big lawn mowers need a trailer, so added expense with that and mulch kits/bags added in compared to the 30in.
Plus I don't want to pull the car or PWC out of garage so space for trailer/ big lawn mower c

googus
03-16-2013, 08:09 PM
Yeah, I find that you can save time on larger "rectangular" lawns with the 36", but if there are lots of turns, and obstacles, it throws a wrench in getting it mowed quickly.

A cargo carrier for a walk behind? They may be available, but I can't imagine they'd be cheap. Mine would never haul one. It's good for my 21" and my 26" snowblower, but that's it. Only rated at 500 lbs capacity too.



I respect all and any input.

After spending 40k on a f150 before this adventure I can't go get a cargo truck.
I also understand I will not be saving much from a 21 to a 30in
The lawns here are around 1/3 to 1/2 with a lot of fences.
I just want to keep a small business 25-30 lawns

See above
The big lawn mowers need a trailer, so added expense with that and mulch kits/bags added in compared to the 30in.
Plus I don't want to pull the car or PWC out of garage so space for trailer/ big lawn mower come into play. Also I have to register the trailer and pay tax unit legally

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-16-2013, 09:11 PM
From a business stand point its pretty dumb to use a 40k truck and skimp on a $600 trailer. Taxes are $20 if they charge, most time its so small a fee they wont bill you.

Hedgemaster
03-16-2013, 09:13 PM
No, by "cargo carrier", I think he meant this kind, like I use for my Toro...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_193632.jpg

ratchetmaster2
03-16-2013, 11:41 PM
From a business stand point its pretty dumb to use a 40k truck and skimp on a $600 trailer. Taxes are $20 if they charge, most time its so small a fee they wont bill you.

Again, it's not all about the cost. I can more than afford a trailer, but I would much much rather not have one.
You have to be much more careful when driving. You have to be responsible for it. You have to buy it, pay taxes on it, get it titled and registered. You have to buy tires for it when they go bald. You have to have a place to park it. Backing up takes a lot of skill.
Not even to mention how stupid it would look to tow around a 6x8 utility trailer only to have a single 36" mower in it.

JeffK26
03-17-2013, 04:27 PM
Again, it's not all about the cost. I can more than afford a trailer, but I would much much rather not have one.
You have to be much more careful when driving. You have to be responsible for it. You have to buy it, pay taxes on it, get it titled and registered. You have to buy tires for it when they go bald. You have to have a place to park it. Backing up takes a lot of skill.
Not even to mention how stupid it would look to tow around a 6x8 utility trailer only to have a single 36" mower in it.

Before I got the money for my trailer I drove around with my 36" in the back of my dakota using ramps. It wasn't a problem.

If you don't want a trailer of course you don't have to buy one, it's not a necessity. but the reasons you give aren't really legit reasons.

Why are you worried if you look "stupid"? Who cares what other people think? I drive around with a 5x8 with one 36" in it, heck I used to drive around with it in the back of the truck and ramps and didn't care what others think.

The other things you listed are part of business....you OWN a business, the things you just listed are what you have to do with all of your equipment and property. If your state has property taxes, you have to pay taxes on your equipment and register your equipment so they can assess the taxes. Not to mention business licenses in the cities you perform services in. You may not have to, there are a couple towns here that dont', but one does even if I mow one lawn in that city whether my business is physically in that city or not.

No offense but if the responsibility of owning a trailer is that big of a deal to you then owning your own business isn't going to pan out.

JeffK26
03-17-2013, 05:04 PM
Ratchet sorry I quoted you,

I read what the other guy wrote earlier, read it in your post and didn't realize it was you being sarcastic.

My edit time ran out to change it......

Sooooooooooooooooo what I wrote was meant for googus.

rockymtnnut
03-17-2013, 06:35 PM
i Dont See The Point Of Upgrading From A 21" To A 30". Your Only Going To Get About A 20% Time Saving.

Hedgemaster Has A Thread On Here About Going From A 21" To A 36" And Said Theres Not Much Difference.

A Option Is A Cargo Carrier That Connects To The Hitch. I Seen Them Carrying Large Snowblowers But A Walk Behind Might Fit.

I Operated A 44" Walk Behind Out Of A S10 For A Year. So It Can Be Done With A Bigger Mower And Smaller Truck.

Im Going To Give You Some Advice, If A 48 Would Fit Into The Yards You Are Going After, Then Get It With A Hydro. Quit Thinking So Small. I Would Not Bid On A Property That Required A Small 21 There Is No Money To Be Made Of Any Significance With Small Mowers. At The Least Get A 36 Hydro With A Velky. Once You Get Serious It Will Rarely Be Usded Because You Will Be On Your 60. I Realize We All Have A Budget But Ask Yourself When Was The Last Time You Saw Someone Serious Pushing A Mower? Regardless If Its A 21 Or A 30. Im Trying To Save You My Same Mistakes I Made 18 Years Ago. I Appologise For Being In All Caps My Computer Is Stuck In Caps Lock.

rockymtnnut
03-17-2013, 06:51 PM
Again, it's not all about the cost. I can more than afford a trailer, but I would much much rather not have one.
You have to be much more careful when driving. You have to be responsible for it. You have to buy it, pay taxes on it, get it titled and registered. You have to buy tires for it when they go bald. You have to have a place to park it. Backing up takes a lot of skill.
Not even to mention how stupid it would look to tow around a 6x8 utility trailer only to have a single 36" mower in it.

You cannot be serious about cutting for a living or part time and count on using a 21 in mower on a rack behind a truck are you? There is such a thing as the cost of doing business. I am not trying to insult you but your argument against a trailer is without merrit. Quit thinking of this as a hobby and get a little more serious about making it a for profit. Not to mention a bigger mower cuts way higher cut quality.

tk4454
03-17-2013, 06:55 PM
i can see why you wouldnt want a trailor, but i find it hards not to spend money on things that arent a neccisity, so your doing good on that perspective

Hedgemaster
03-17-2013, 07:40 PM
You cannot be serious about cutting for a living or part time and count on using a 21 in mower on a rack behind a truck are you? There is such a thing as the cost of doing business. I am not trying to insult you but your argument against a trailer is without merrit. Quit thinking of this as a hobby and get a little more serious about making it a for profit. Not to mention a bigger mower cuts way higher cut quality.

That's my truck in the previous pic. (It's lettered now, but same setup)
That is how I worked my first season - a 21" Toro on a cargo carrier and the rest of my equipment in the bed.

Last year I bought a 36" Ferris hydro so I could take on some larger properties.
I have "city days" where I only use the 21" - there is no other option - no other mower can be used due to either lack of access, or terrain. Mixed in with those jobs are a few that I COULD use the 36" on, but overall, it's not worth the hassle of dragging a trailer around and trying to find a place to park it.

Eventually, I'll be able to transition away from the smaller lawns and, add a ZTR and take on more profitible jobs, but for right now, I do what I can with what I have. I can tell you that there are plenty of people who work in the city using nothing more than a 21" mower, so it can be done if you use your head, and get yourself a nice clientel list.

Also, in regards to the comment made by the OP regarding the look of hauling a trailer with nothing but a 36" - "Who cares?"
Do what works for YOU. People (mostly anonymous internet landscapers) will make fun of my setup. When what they think starts paying my bills, I may begin to take note, but until then, I do what works best for me.

:)

Ducke
03-17-2013, 08:03 PM
You cannot be serious about cutting for a living or part time and count on using a 21 in mower on a rack behind a truck are you? There is such a thing as the cost of doing business. I am not trying to insult you but your argument against a trailer is without merrit. Quit thinking of this as a hobby and get a little more serious about making it a for profit. Not to mention a bigger mower cuts way higher cut quality.

This I find insulting. I am on my 3rd year and still mow with 21'' mowers I did buy a 48" last year but have only mowed with it once. 99% of my mowing is small residential lawns i don't need to waste my money on big mowers and big trailer. just to look big this is how most people get them selves in trouble thinking they are what they aren't, If he doesn't feel comfortable buying a big mower or a big trailer then he shouldn't it doesn't make him any less a business man then anyone else.A smart man invests in his company but only what it can afford in order to grow. I own no one anything if I wanted to quit tomorrow I could sell my gear and walk away with money in my pocket unlike a lot of guys I know that have all the cool tools and equipment but are slaves to the bank. BIGGER is not always better and as for a bigger mower cuts better well that is BullSh1t and anyone who believe that shouldn't be in the business that mowing is a skill yes equipment helps but the best mower in the wrong hands can cut like crap. There I am done that is my rant on this subject. this is part of the reason I stopped come here before people engaging there mouth before checking if their brain is in gear.

googus
03-17-2013, 10:21 PM
In my projected 10 mile area is 90% cookie cutter houses set on between 7,000 and 10,000 sq ft lots. With many of then with fenced in back yards. I have only a few clients now and use a 21in. I wouldn't call it a hobbie but I don't want to be a huge company if you guys understand. My thought and i could be wrong is if I buy the 30 now/ save money on a 36in with additions/ trailor, then if I get more accounts then invest in a different set up.


I have a local guy that is killing me driving his john deer down the street dropping who knows what on there lawn then putting a million holes in their lawn. Now I know I am new but everything I have read states you shouldn't do both at the same time. Also what kills me he is not registered or license.
Good at working it I guess- I am just to legit and honest.

I don't mind putting money into my business. Just driving a 36in onto my 5.5 bed scares me a bit and just don't see spending the coin/storage on a trailer

ratchetmaster2
03-17-2013, 11:29 PM
You cannot be serious about cutting for a living or part time and count on using a 21 in mower on a rack behind a truck are you? There is such a thing as the cost of doing business. I am not trying to insult you but your argument against a trailer is without merrit. Quit thinking of this as a hobby and get a little more serious about making it a for profit. Not to mention a bigger mower cuts way higher cut quality.

I'm 18 years old and I currently live in an apartment while majoring in mechanical engineering. I live in an extremely dense urban area with small, complicated lawns with lots of narrow gates.
I think I've done very well with the cards I've been dealt.

Thanks for your input.

This I find insulting. I am on my 3rd year and still mow with 21'' mowers I did buy a 48" last year but have only mowed with it once. 99% of my mowing is small residential lawns i don't need to waste my money on big mowers and big trailer. just to look big this is how most people get them selves in trouble thinking they are what they aren't, If he doesn't feel comfortable buying a big mower or a big trailer then he shouldn't it doesn't make him any less a business man then anyone else.A smart man invests in his company but only what it can afford in order to grow. I own no one anything if I wanted to quit tomorrow I could sell my gear and walk away with money in my pocket unlike a lot of guys I know that have all the cool tools and equipment but are slaves to the bank. BIGGER is not always better and as for a bigger mower cuts better well that is BullSh1t and anyone who believe that shouldn't be in the business that mowing is a skill yes equipment helps but the best mower in the wrong hands can cut like crap. There I am done that is my rant on this subject. this is part of the reason I stopped come here before people engaging there mouth before checking if their brain is in gear.

Could not agree more. 100% spot on. Exact situation I'm in. A trailer would be much more trouble than it's worth living in such a dense city that I live in.

JeffK26
03-18-2013, 08:10 AM
You cannot be serious about cutting for a living or part time and count on using a 21 in mower on a rack behind a truck are you? There is such a thing as the cost of doing business. I am not trying to insult you but your argument against a trailer is without merrit. Quit thinking of this as a hobby and get a little more serious about making it a for profit. Not to mention a bigger mower cuts way higher cut quality.

Actually you're wrong.

One of the largest companies in St Louis started out with a pushmower and had only pushmowers for a few years. 20 years later, multiple crews, shop, their own mulch yard.

Another company that mows here uses only pushmowers. They have multiple crews, have about 200 clients and do quite well.

There are a couple guys here that do the same.

Gotta love the guys that think their way is the only way and anyone else just isn't serious.

rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 11:40 AM
Actually you're wrong.

One of the largest companies in St Louis started out with a pushmower and had only pushmowers for a few years. 20 years later, multiple crews, shop, their own mulch yard.

Another company that mows here uses only pushmowers. They have multiple crews, have about 200 clients and do quite well.

There are a couple guys here that do the same.

Gotta love the guys that think their way is the only way and anyone else just isn't serious.

I dont think my way is the only way but I got tired of being behind the pack. So I looked at the successful outfits and what they were doing and ignored the ones my size and smaller and modeled my business after there's . you would be hard pressed to find a push mower on a Brickman trailer they are the largest landscape lawn maintenance company in the United States. push mowers have their place but a very small place at that.

rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 11:59 AM
I can cut 3 to 4 lawns start to finish in the same time it takes a young man who uses a push mower right next to me. Push mowers don't give the cut quality that a commercial walk behind does. Im not here to say hey look at me im trying to help you not make the beginner mistakes i did. Hey if you live in Cincinnati area I what you to buy push mowers.

rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 12:40 PM
This I find insulting. I am on my 3rd year and still mow with 21'' mowers I did buy a 48" last year but have only mowed with it once. 99% of my mowing is small residential lawns i don't need to waste my money on big mowers and big trailer. just to look big this is how most people get them selves in trouble thinking they are what they aren't, If he doesn't feel comfortable buying a big mower or a big trailer then he shouldn't it doesn't make him any less a business man then anyone else.A smart man invests in his company but only what it can afford in order to grow. I own no one anything if I wanted to quit tomorrow I could sell my gear and walk away with money in my pocket unlike a lot of guys I know that have all the cool tools and equipment but are slaves to the bank. BIGGER is not always better and as for a bigger mower cuts better well that is BullSh1t and anyone who believe that shouldn't be in the business that mowing is a skill yes equipment helps but the best mower in the wrong hands can cut like crap. There I am done that is my rant on this subject. this is part of the reason I stopped come here before people engaging there mouth before checking if their brain is in gear.
Im not here to fight or argue. This forum is "starting a lawncare business" if you want it to be,a hobby then say so. All of my equipment is paid for and it stripes beautiful ive never seen a 21 stripe beautiful not to mention how much revenue can you generate in a day with a push mower.
Try not to take things so personal. We are here to learn.

rockymtnnut
03-18-2013, 12:49 PM
In my projected 10 mile area is 90% cookie cutter houses set on between 7,000 and 10,000 sq ft lots. With many of then with fenced in back yards. I have only a few clients now and use a 21in. I wouldn't call it a hobbie but I don't want to be a huge company if you guys understand. My thought and i could be wrong is if I buy the 30 now/ save money on a 36in with additions/ trailor, then if I get more accounts then invest in a different set up.


I have a local guy that is killing me driving his john deer down the street dropping who knows what on there lawn then putting a million holes in their lawn. Now I know I am new but everything I have read states you shouldn't do both at the same time. Also what kills me he is not registered or license.
Good at working it I guess- I am just to legit and honest.

I don't mind putting money into my business. Just driving a 36in onto my 5.5 bed scares me a bit and just don't see spending the coin/storage on a trailer

from time to time. a lawn gets skipped for whatever reason. when I have to go out and make a special trip to cut just 1 lawn I will use a ram 2500 with a hydro 50 to walk behind in the back of it facing backwards. I use aluminum ramps I back the mower backwards then tie it down with straps this setup works just fine in a pinch. if it were a 48 inch walk behind it would walk right up into the truck. this setup is how I actually got started. so don't worry you can make it work. the ramp I used as a tri-fold ramp that I got from Bass Pro Shops it's aluminum so it's real light but very strong.

willshome
03-18-2013, 01:36 PM
most of my lawns are small or with gates. I didn't use my 48" mower once last year just not worth the space on the trailer. I started the year with a 32" walk behind and quickly upgraded to 33" zero turn. You have to think about how long you want to be on your feet per day. When I use a WB all day I am died at the end of the day but, with a z-turn I feel great
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rockymtnnut
03-19-2013, 10:14 AM
This I find insulting. I am on my 3rd year and still mow with 21'' mowers I did buy a 48" last year but have only mowed with it once. 99% of my mowing is small residential lawns i don't need to waste my money on big mowers and big trailer. just to look big this is how most people get them selves in trouble thinking they are what they aren't, If he doesn't feel comfortable buying a big mower or a big trailer then he shouldn't it doesn't make him any less a business man then anyone else.A smart man invests in his company but only what it can afford in order to grow. I own no one anything if I wanted to quit tomorrow I could sell my gear and walk away with money in my pocket unlike a lot of guys I know that have all the cool tools and equipment but are slaves to the bank. BIGGER is not always better and as for a bigger mower cuts better well that is BullSh1t and anyone who believe that shouldn't be in the business that mowing is a skill yes equipment helps but the best mower in the wrong hands can cut like crap. There I am done that is my rant on this subject. this is part of the reason I stopped come here before people engaging there mouth before checking if their brain is in gear.

I find it odd that you have a 48 and choose to use a 21 do you not have many customer?
With this business plan revenue is not a priority or is it? Please explain how a 21 push is capable of generating more revenue than a 48 walk behind. Your argument flies in the face of reason. The reason i care is other people who are getting started read your reply and may think that is a good business plan you know to make less with less or to have a piece of equipment to get the job done quicker and more efficiently and not use it. once again I hope I didn't insult you . we are all Here to help 1 another.

ratchetmaster2
03-19-2013, 07:58 PM
I find it odd that you have a 48 and choose to use a 21 do you not have many customer?
With this business plan revenue is not a priority or is it? Please explain how a 21 push is capable of generating more revenue than a 48 walk behind.

You obviously don't understand what's going on. I guess you live in a rural area that is composed entirely of wide-open, flat properties?
I live in a suburb of Washington D.C.
Most properties are 1/3 acre or smaller. I manage some properties that I literately CANNOT access with a zero turn, walk-behind, etc or anything except a push mower. Lots of the properties I manage have gates that are 36" or more narrow.
I have one property that is raised 4 feet from street level. The entire yard has a retaining wall around it. Tell me how I would get a 400lb mower up a 4foot wall?

Hedgemaster
03-19-2013, 08:33 PM
You obviously don't understand what's going on. I guess you live in a rural area that is composed entirely of wide-open, flat properties?
I live in a suburb of Washington D.C.
Most properties are 1/3 acre or smaller. I manage some properties that I literately CANNOT access with a zero turn, walk-behind, etc or anything except a push mower. Lots of the properties I manage have gates that are 36" or more narrow.
I have one property that is raised 4 feet from street level. The entire yard has a retaining wall around it. Tell me how I would get a 400lb mower up a 4foot wall?


There are a crapload of lawns in urban Pittsburgh that have no access for mowers short of carrying one up some steps.
I work alone, so the first thing I ask when a call comes in from certain areas is whether the "lawn" can be accessed without going up steps.

Screw that.

willshome
03-19-2013, 08:55 PM
Lots of the properties I manage have gates that are 36" or more narrow.
Just keep in mind you may need more than one size mower

Grass Doctor
03-20-2013, 12:25 AM
most of my lawns are small or with gates. I didn't use my 48" mower once last year just not worth the space on the trailer. I started the year with a 32" walk behind and quickly upgraded to 33" zero turn. You have to think about how long you want to be on your feet per day. When I use a WB all day I am died at the end of the day but, with a z-turn I feel great
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hey that toro weed eater its sexy haha i have one of those buy it thinking it was going to last me 3 months haa their fine.

LawnBoy0311
03-20-2013, 06:13 AM
Lawns across the country are the same concept as when someone everyday asks us "How do I bid a job?" Its the same answer....THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT!

Everyone here tries to use a mower more practical for THEM. What works for you, may not work for me. What I do, you may not be able to do. The majority of my lawns are 1/3 ace postage stamps, 1 acre million dollar homes, or townhouses. I can tell you this, a townhouse gets me the most profit. I had a day set aside where all I did was cut townhouses. I left the trailer, and loaded my 21" toro in the back of my f-150 using 2x6's, trimmer and blower in the back. I used less gas, less wear on equipment, and averaged $4 a minute. There are also TONS of townhouses in my area, with more going up every week.

Some of you guys have lawns with 7 acres. Thats unheard of around here. Honestly, if your doing all residential in my neck of the woods, theres no need to go above a 48" deck. We are all very different.

So if you want to put a mower in the back of your truck, and that works for you, then go right ahead. One of these days, you will need a trailer, as the equipment piles up as you grow (if you chose to grow!!!). Some people are happy staying small, just do whats best for you.

willshome
03-20-2013, 07:09 AM
hey that toro weed eater its sexy haha i have one of those buy it thinking it was going to last me 3 months haa their fine.

love the Toro works every time and the different heads make life easy. When I got the tiller I was thinking I would return it because it's just a "TOY" but it works great. The $53 pole saw is great I use it as a chainsaw for down branches when I don't have my chainsaw with me

SNethercutt
03-20-2013, 08:04 AM
Equipment depends on area very much.

I started out in an area where everything was zero turn. Then I got residential accounts and needed smaller mowers. Well I was still making a mower payment so I opted for toro self propelled 21 in I believe. With 2 of them, the same ones they sell at home depot or Lowes for 400 I paid 125 each new. So for $250 I got roughly 40 in of cutting area.

Yes I know about quality of cuts. But the year I'm getting a serious walk behind. The wife is tired of push mowing lol

LawnBoy0311
03-20-2013, 11:24 AM
Equipment depends on area very much.

I started out in an area where everything was zero turn. Then I got residential accounts and needed smaller mowers. Well I was still making a mower payment so I opted for toro self propelled 21 in I believe. With 2 of them, the same ones they sell at home depot or Lowes for 400 I paid 125 each new. So for $250 I got roughly 40 in of cutting area.

Yes I know about quality of cuts. But the year I'm getting a serious walk behind. The wife is tired of push mowing lol

At least your wife understands the whole concept of "work".

I was thinking of doing all walk behinds in the future, have any of you found them to be better off than the ztr? I won't be doing the cutting, I'll be focusing on something else, but I figure 2 WB's and a 2 man crew would do fine.

googus
03-28-2013, 10:01 AM
Ok guys, I didn't want to start a new thread and I know I might get some bashing. I came to the conclusion I want to make this a hobby "per say" and not go big. I am have 8 accounts for the year with four quotes still outstanding plus my yard. I was thinking of a cut off of 20-25.


With that beings said I know I probably could get by with my 21 but the summer will kill me. 75% of my account have fenced in back yards and as stated in the previous threads I am thinking of getting a 30 in deck for the follow reasons.
Don't need a trailer. ( no space to store it)
Money.
Space in garage

Now for obvious reasons the three dealer I went to say get the toro turfmaster or he Exmark . Now he question is (since I am looking to get one) do I really need to spend the extra 800.00 on a commercial or would the Toro timemaster for 1,000 work for my needs. I do plan on doing this for years to come but still keeping it small to around 20-25 accounts.

Thanks guys
Greg

Steve
03-28-2013, 10:37 AM
Something to keep in mind, from what we have seen in the past on here if you get a consumer model and get 200 hours of use out of it, that is great. If you get a commercial unit and get 2,000 hours of use from it, that is great.

Sure you can get the consumer model and pay $1,000 and then at the end of it's useable life, you can buy another one.

If you want to do this as a hobby and just experiment, it seems you are leaning towards the consumer model. Hey go for it. Get it. Tell us how long it lasts for you and then tell us what you decide to go with next.

Keep us posted.

googus
03-28-2013, 11:43 AM
Thanks Steve.
As another note of interest. The Exmark drive engage bar seem very stiff ( I am sure that it will loosen up) but while it does it might appear to give your hands and wrist a workout. The Toro timemaster has the personal pace drive.

Crap it's harder then buying a car:)

Steve
03-29-2013, 11:34 AM
Well keep us posted on what you decide to go with :)

rockymtnnut
03-30-2013, 01:56 PM
I just saw a 36 inch hydro for sale for 1000 dollars on another forum said it was used in great shape. Dont be afraid to "grow" into equipments within reason. Get the home owner push mower out of your thought process. When a home owner brand fails you and it will what will you do when its a week or three to get fixed. In this buisiness down time kills you. If y ou decide to walk away you have a mower that will last a lifetime with a commercial mower. Not to mention a commercial mower cuts so much better.

googus
04-01-2013, 08:08 PM
Well I dropped the ball on an Emark 30in. Well transaction didn't go great from a small place. I went in under the impression it was no payments until June then no interest for a year. Then when I took delivery no go it was for mowers 2500 above then the finiance company sacked me for 125 processing fee( well there goes interest free:)

The mower
Bit heavy
The gear engagement was well ( you pull in it and Wow it goes)
I cut two somewhat dry lawns with a lot of weeds. When I got home there was alot of grass flushed out. No problem with mower or ruts.
My 8 year old Daugher started it.
Why can't companies find a better way to change oil? ( the tech said just turn it on its side)? I said are you crazy? The unit is 180lbs.?
I found a hex nut for oil but crap oil will go everywhere.

I feel it will be a great mower that I just have to get used to.

SECTLANDSCAPING
04-01-2013, 08:36 PM
Well I dropped the ball on an Emark 30in. Well transaction didn't go great from a small place. I went in under the impression it was no payments until June then no interest for a year. Then when I took delivery no go it was for mowers 2500 above then the finiance company sacked me for 125 processing fee( well there goes interest free:)

The mower
Bit heavy
The gear engagement was well ( you pull in it and Wow it goes)
I cut two somewhat dry lawns with a lot of weeds. When I got home there was alot of grass flushed out. No problem with mower or ruts.
My 8 year old Daugher started it.
Why can't companies find a better way to change oil? ( the tech said just turn it on its side)? I said are you crazy? The unit is 180lbs.?
I found a hex nut for oil but crap oil will go everywhere.

I feel it will be a great mower that I just have to get used to.
Not sure the brand engine but on my small hondas I put a hose on the oil drain. I twist it and it goes right into a container.

googus
04-01-2013, 08:50 PM
http://www.exmarkmobil.com/model_specs.php?m=1157

HinFL
02-20-2014, 08:01 AM
googus-

I know this is an old thread, but I just bought an eXmark Commercial 30 two days ago. I could tell that oil changes weren't going to be fun as the unit came, so I ordered the hose extension drain plug that they put on their bigger mowers at time of purchase. Part number is 116-5052 and description is "ASM, ENGINE OIL DRAIN". The dealer is having the part shipped to me, as it's about a 100 mile round-trip from our small town.

Great buying experience with dealer, but hope I don't have the warranty repair issues you have had (saw in another thread). Hope all has improved and that we get many years of good use from our commercial machines.

There, my first post. Thanks to everyone for all I've learned on this forum and others of its kind. I'm grateful for everyone's vast and varied experience; know I'll benefit from it!

Best wishes and take care!