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6295danny
01-16-2013, 02:45 PM
Hi Im new here an to the business. I purchaced a turf tiger this month an some sthil equipment from a local dealer. I went back an was telling him I may need another mower at the start of the season. He got some new cheetahs. Looks like it would be a smooth ride. I didnt get to demo it bc its been raining here for 2 weeks an its nasty out. I did sit on it to compare. U would think just sitting on a mower wouldn't be much to compare rite. Well I noticed it felt like it sat a bit higher an maybe a touch narrower than my tiger. Also I noticed ya have to lean up a little to see the edge of the deck. Other than that I really liked what I saw. Anyone got a cheetah an a tiger an if so whats the difference as far as power with the 2 speed trans, any problems with slopes, hows does it handle as far as comfort compared to the tiger....

LawnCareMan280
01-16-2013, 04:31 PM
Well first off I don't have a scag but want 2 get 1 in the future. But I have another webpage up and it seems that the turf tiger would be the best then the cheetah. 1 because the some models of the Turf Tiger can go up to 12 miles an hour that would making your productivity soar on your big jobs. 2nd of all it has a large 10 gallon fuel tank so you don't run out of gas so quickly. Also they have a comfortable work station (a.k.a) operating platform and they have big deck sizes ranging to 51" to 72". Tryed to help you so hope this helped.

shadrach
01-16-2013, 06:28 PM
Demoed a cheetah for 3 days last year. The cheetah felt like it had a higher center of gravity than my TT (08). Didn't really notice a difference in the handling on hills or the quality of the cut. At the time they did not have a bagger kit for the cheetah & that is the main reason for me not buying one. Steering on the cheetah seemed tighter, but that could just be new mower vs broken in mower. The safety bar folding all the way down allows you to get closer under trees, but it takes a little more effort to get everything to latch right.

6295danny
01-17-2013, 09:06 AM
Thanks guys thats some good info. I think I may wait till the season starts an demo one to see if the cheetah will be added to my business. I love the turf tiger its a really nice ztr. They do seem to sit higher. I didn't know if it was just me.... Thanks everyone an Ill follow up on my decision later in the year.

Steve
01-17-2013, 01:33 PM
I think I may wait till the season starts an demo one to see if the cheetah will be added to my business.

Keep us posted. I look forwards to your review.

nice2weedu
01-18-2013, 10:14 AM
Hi Im new here an to the business. I purchaced a turf tiger this month an some sthil equipment from a local dealer. I went back an was telling him I may need another mower at the start of the season. He got some new cheetahs. Looks like it would be a smooth ride. I didnt get to demo it bc its been raining here for 2 weeks an its nasty out. I did sit on it to compare. U would think just sitting on a mower wouldn't be much to compare rite. Well I noticed it felt like it sat a bit higher an maybe a touch narrower than my tiger. Also I noticed ya have to lean up a little to see the edge of the deck. Other than that I really liked what I saw. Anyone got a cheetah an a tiger an if so whats the difference as far as power with the 2 speed trans, any problems with slopes, hows does it handle as far as comfort compared to the tiger....

Hey Danny!
If you're lookin for speed, tape a cheetah to your back!

RoughCut
02-01-2013, 02:48 PM
Was reading over some old post and came across this one. Yesterday looked at the new scag cheetah. I mow alot of vacant lots, most are 12 acres or more. I use a 60" ztr to mow curbs, lot pins and shutoffs. I need a mower that can cut heavy grass and weed in 1 pass and leave no stringers. Dealer told me the scag will mow this no problem. Question is :Are they as good as they say?

Steve
02-04-2013, 12:07 PM
Did you ask them if you could demo a model and use it in the way you would normally use it to test it out?

RoughCut
02-04-2013, 04:57 PM
Yes, Dealer told me I could demo it for a week. He will also bring it to the job and pick it up.I have never bought new equipment always old. Like the fact that dealer will supply a loaner if the new one goes down

wandfsmall
02-05-2013, 12:42 AM
Was reading over some old post and came across this one. Yesterday looked at the new scag cheetah. I mow alot of vacant lots, most are 12 acres or more. I use a 60" ztr to mow curbs, lot pins and shutoffs. I need a mower that can cut heavy grass and weed in 1 pass and leave no stringers. Dealer told me the scag will mow this no problem. Question is :Are they as good as they say?

Honestly prob not. I have been in the business for more then 20 years. Except in 2 cases I could not tell what mower cut a property if the deck was properly set up by the DEALER. Guess what most of the time the mowers do not drive off of the truck we do some of the assembly including checking that the deck is level and pitched correctly. As for the Scag Cheetah or Tiger Cub the tiger cub will be stronger as far as the hydros and in my opinion will last longer. As the integrated drive units as far as history have not done as well over time. I am not however a scag dealer so for the most part I do not recommend scag units:p

RoughCut
02-05-2013, 06:06 AM
Thanks, I have tried about every ztr on the market. What is your pick of a good mower to do what I want. It needs to be a ztr as I have to many acres to walk.

6295danny
02-05-2013, 01:31 PM
I wanted the cheetah but I demo the tiger cat an for the money I liked the tiger cat best.. Save about 2 grand an I like the old hydros that are proven better from listing to to other lawn care guys in my area... Im happy with it so far...

SECTLANDSCAPING
02-05-2013, 10:47 PM
Thanks, I have tried about every ztr on the market. What is your pick of a good mower to do what I want. It needs to be a ztr as I have to many acres to walk.

If you want to cut thick tall grass. Why not get a bush hog? Then finish mow it with what you got?

If your looking to do it with a Z, get one with a 35hp engine so it doesnt bog down.

RoughCut
02-06-2013, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the imput. I have brush hogs. Just trying to get mowing done faster. Takes a 35' trailer to haul a 60" brush hog and a 12' bat wing mower on. Looked at Scag because of deck thickness, and then I could change blades and use it for finish mowing.I could also go to a smaller trailer. Kut Kwick has what I need but it's too pricey,and not a good finish mower. Maybe I'm asking too much for a ztr?

wandfsmall
02-06-2013, 11:23 AM
Sorry for the delayed reply I have been putting in long hours at work still getting ready for my spring rush and taking care of the guys that plan ahead. To answer your question I would recommend a Hustler Xone over a scag turf tiger for one it will save you money, has a longer warranty and do the same job. As for the scag deck thickness they advertise better then most however you will find Xmark, Hustler, Grasshopper, Bob-Cat all have just as durable of a deck in some cases more so as the Scag decks have a tendency to split where the deck comes to a point under certain impacts(this crack will continue until the deck is destroyed)

Personally of all of the scag units I would buy the Wildcat. These are the reasons why. However to give you a personal recommendation I would need to know more about your property. Like how often you plan to cut, how much acreage and what kind of hills or terrain you have. As each mower has advantages or we would only have one design.

Reasons I do not like the Turf Tiger

Drive Shaft and Gear Box - the belt will ALWAYS break on the deck as sticks and grass will get caught in between the belt and pulleys. The drive shaft is 4 bearings and universal and a gear box to maintain and eventually replace.

Horizontal shaft engine - This engine requires either a mule drive system or a drive shaft both that require more moving parts and rob the engine of power.

Reasons I do not like the Cheetah

5400 Transmissions - Integrated Drive systems have so far proven not to last as long as Pumps and Wheel Motors. The engineers at scag know this however they are cheaper to buy so they ignore this fact.

Flex Cables on the control arms - This is just scary to me a flex cable tends to break when flexed in the middle enough and this is how you control the mower:eek: To me this alone is enough to buy a turf tiger.

wandfsmall
02-06-2013, 11:24 AM
If you want to cut thick tall grass. Why not get a bush hog? Then finish mow it with what you got?

If your looking to do it with a Z, get one with a 35hp engine so it doesnt bog down.

Act deck discharge does more then HP when you are talking about bogging down. And not all 35hp engine are equal in power output.

SECTLANDSCAPING
02-06-2013, 11:28 AM
Act deck discharge does more then HP when you are talking about bogging down. And not all 35hp engine are equal in power output.

I was thinking bad boys 35HP Caterpillar Diesel.

wandfsmall
02-06-2013, 11:39 AM
I was thinking bad boys 35HP Caterpillar Diesel.

The engines not bogging as much is more of a problem then an advantage as when the engine bogs you know to back off before something breaks. Also I have stopped recommending diesels as when running the numbers they cost more to operate then a gas engine. My personal theory is they are running relined to get the blade tip speed and wearing the engines out faster.

Cat is the one Diesel I would avoid as the dealers can not even get parts for the Cat engines you have to go to a cat repair center and get a small loan for parts. I would recommend Shibaura, Yanamar, or Kubota

Also last I heard this will be the last year for a Cat Diesel so if you want that one get it now.

SECTLANDSCAPING
02-06-2013, 11:57 AM
The engines not bogging as much is more of a problem then an advantage as when the engine bogs you know to back off before something breaks. Also I have stopped recommending diesels as when running the numbers they cost more to operate then a gas engine. My personal theory is they are running relined to get the blade tip speed and wearing the engines out faster.

Cat is the one Diesel I would avoid as the dealers can not even get parts for the Cat engines you have to go to a cat repair center and get a small loan for parts. I would recommend Shibaura, Yanamar, or Kubota

Also last I heard this will be the last year for a Cat Diesel so if you want that one get it now.
damn that was short lived.

I have the same problem with my kubota. Any part is $500+. I broke a connection on the drive shaft it was like $380. All it was is a 6" piece of metal with holes on each side.

For a 22hp engine it has balls. Its been reliable to. You just pay when theres a problem.

wandfsmall
02-06-2013, 04:10 PM
damn that was short lived.

I have the same problem with my kubota. Any part is $500+. I broke a connection on the drive shaft it was like $380. All it was is a 6" piece of metal with holes on each side.

For a 22hp engine it has balls. Its been reliable to. You just pay when theres a problem.

your kubota is cheap compared to a cat part. From what I understand Cat has to stop producing the engine used on the badboy to meet EPA requirements on the other equipment they produce. Not sure I understand how one engine should effect another but that is our government. The sad thing is I think the cat engine is made by Shibaura for perkins then re-branded CAT.

RoughCut
02-06-2013, 04:42 PM
Thanks everyone. I mow about 150 acres of bank owned subdivisions. Smallest is 12 acres. Average are 30-40 acres. 40 acres are steep, will slide a 4wd tractor if not careful. Most is grass/weeds, I have to mow at 12-14" and cut to 4-6".All have lot stakes, water shutoffs, and utility boxes. I load a tractor w/ 60" brush hog, and a tractor w/ 12' bat wing on a 35' trailer. Am bidding on some jobs that I won't get into with my trailer. My plan was to use a 96" mower and tractor, and a 60" z. Can load the z on side ways and the tractor/mower on a 20' trailer. The z would cut around objects and along curbs. Also use it on my lawn accounts. Would have to change blades. I mow these accounts about every 30 days. I"m using a cub cadet 60" TANK model now. I have to mow it twice. Was hoping to get away from that.Time is money. Also I work alone so this operation must be a start and go. I do all this at one time . It takes about 1 1/2 weeks now. Want to cut it down to 1 week. Thanks again every one. Always looking to get better and faster.

wandfsmall
02-06-2013, 06:51 PM
First off with that kind of area mowing I would be tempted to get a Hustler Super 104" (http://www.hustlerturf.com/products/super-104-new.html) It would help you get done a lot faster and the rear discharge will eliminate most bogging issues. It should eliminate the need for a tractor. However it could a little large for home owners yards. As for cutting the grass twice NO mower would cut off 4-6" without a double cutting. and for the hills I would avoid the Cheetah or anything else with integrated drive to the point of looking at a HyperDrive machine.

Thanks everyone. I mow about 150 acres of bank owned subdivisions. Smallest is 12 acres. Average are 30-40 acres. 40 acres are steep, will slide a 4wd tractor if not careful. Most is grass/weeds, I have to mow at 12-14" and cut to 4-6".All have lot stakes, water shutoffs, and utility boxes. I load a tractor w/ 60" brush hog, and a tractor w/ 12' bat wing on a 35' trailer. Am bidding on some jobs that I won't get into with my trailer. My plan was to use a 96" mower and tractor, and a 60" z. Can load the z on side ways and the tractor/mower on a 20' trailer. The z would cut around objects and along curbs. Also use it on my lawn accounts. Would have to change blades. I mow these accounts about every 30 days. I"m using a cub cadet 60" TANK model now. I have to mow it twice. Was hoping to get away from that.Time is money. Also I work alone so this operation must be a start and go. I do all this at one time . It takes about 1 1/2 weeks now. Want to cut it down to 1 week. Thanks again every one. Always looking to get better and faster.

RoughCut
02-07-2013, 08:33 AM
Thanks, I'll start looking at the Hustler mowers. The information was great, just what I was looking for. Most of the mowing will be done with a tractor and bush hog, I'm planing to use the z only to trim with. Thanks for your help everyone.