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SECTLANDSCAPING
08-29-2012, 01:11 PM
Anyone in these areas that are looking to plow large parking lots contact me. I have bid sheets for about 20 locations all to far away from me. I figure ill pass to someone local.

If you get a contract a check in the mail would make me happy.:)

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-02-2012, 01:26 PM
Sometimes you guys surprise me. The bids are due tomorrow and not one person is interested.

dpld
09-02-2012, 01:49 PM
Sometimes you guys surprise me. The bids are due tomorrow and not one person is interested.


would'nt you need to be in those area's to have any interest ?

being that most on this site are small up and comers maybe they don't have the equipment to handle or the money for the additional insurance.

plus it is a holiday weekend and there is not much action here as well as who the heck had their deadline on a holiday?

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-02-2012, 02:06 PM
would'nt you need to be in those area's to have any interest ?

being that most on this site are small up and comers maybe they don't have the equipment to handle or the money for the additional insurance.

plus it is a holiday weekend and there is not much action here as well as who the heck had their deadline on a holiday?

I posted it 4-5 days ago. People had time to see it.

There 3-4 MA guys on here. NH, CT, RI, only 1 or 2 in each state. So I can see the limited interest there.

They wouldnt know the size of the lots without requesting info. Some could be around 1/2 acre. Which will only take a half hour to plow. I do know most the Kohls and Shaws are a few acres each but even that can be handled by a solo op. A few locations do their own deicing and walks.

dpld
09-02-2012, 03:45 PM
I posted it 4-5 days ago. People had time to see it.

There 3-4 MA guys on here. NH, CT, RI, only 1 or 2 in each state. So I can see the limited interest there.

They wouldnt know the size of the lots without requesting info. Some could be around 1/2 acre. Which will only take a half hour to plow. I do know most the Kohls and Shaws are a few acres each but even that can be handled by a solo op. A few locations do their own deicing and walks.


well, if they were interested then they would have replied and being they have not i guess they are not.
at least you can say you tried.

why don't you take on the work and use subs?

i do and frankly i have to because i need dozens of trucks and machinery to handle my accounts as well as dozens of laborers to handle the walk ways and it is more profitable to use subs then to be bothered with carrying all that equipment all year.

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-02-2012, 04:02 PM
well, if they were interested then they would have replied and being they have not i guess they are not.
at least you can say you tried.

why don't you take on the work and use subs?

i do and frankly i have to because i need dozens of trucks and machinery to handle my accounts as well as dozens of laborers to handle the walk ways and it is more profitable to use subs then to be bothered with carrying all that equipment all year.

I tried using subs last year and it didnt work out. These properties were only 15-20 miles away but with the amount of work I had by the time I got there it was to late. I cant let subs tarnish my reputation because they dont want to show up. Now I will only use subs for a back up option or when I know if theres a problem I can still get one of my guys there. Ill still use them but wont rely on them like that again.

Cashin H&P
09-02-2012, 05:27 PM
I am in nh but I just do drive ways. I would love to take on some bigger stuff but subs just seem like a pain in the neck. And I can't afford to hav
e equipment sitting.

dpld
09-02-2012, 05:57 PM
I tried using subs last year and it didnt work out. These properties were only 15-20 miles away but with the amount of work I had by the time I got there it was to late. I cant let subs tarnish my reputation because they dont want to show up. Now I will only use subs for a back up option or when I know if theres a problem I can still get one of my guys there. Ill still use them but wont rely on them like that again.


in order to use subs you need to have many, and you also have to better screen them in the hiring process to see if they have other work and they are using you as a back up plan.

you also need to have a binding sub contractor agreement that if they agree and sign it that they will be held accountable if they fail to deliver.

you need to have subs, back up subs and back ups for the back ups because you can not take anyone's word these days and you need to put yourself in a position to always have options.

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-02-2012, 06:06 PM
I am in nh but I just do drive ways. I would love to take on some bigger stuff but subs just seem like a pain in the neck. And I can't afford to hav
e equipment sitting.

You dont even need a plow for these you would only have to do the following areas: store sidewalk, loading dock, entrances, and stairs for the emergency exists:

101 Nashua Mall Nashua,NH
30 Plaistow Road Plaistow,NH
2 Cluffs Crossing Road Salem, NH

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-02-2012, 06:12 PM
in order to use subs you need to have many, and you also have to better screen them in the hiring process to see if they have other work and they are using you as a back up plan.

you also need to have a binding sub contractor agreement that if they agree and sign it that they will be held accountable if they fail to deliver.

you need to have subs, back up subs and back ups for the back ups because you can not take anyone's word these days and you need to put yourself in a position to always have options.

Thats what I tried to do I was in contact with about 10 and only 2 would show. I only needed 2-3. I had guys telling me they were on the way and I wouldnt find out they didnt show till last minute. Others just never would pick up the phone. We had a real light winter with only 5 storms I think people found other work.

I could try the contract but how exactly would I word that? I did have a basic sub agreement but it didnt have any penalties in it.

Cashin H&P
09-02-2012, 06:42 PM
You dont even need a plow for these you would only have to do the following areas: store sidewalk, loading dock, entrances, and stairs for the emergency exists:

101 Nashua Mall Nashua,NH
30 Plaistow Road Plaistow,NH
2 Cluffs Crossing Road Salem, NH

Thats still a good 30-40min fro me If it was closer I would take them.

dpld
09-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Thats what I tried to do I was in contact with about 10 and only 2 would show. I only needed 2-3. I had guys telling me they were on the way and I wouldnt find out they didnt show till last minute. Others just never would pick up the phone. We had a real light winter with only 5 storms I think people found other work.

I could try the contract but how exactly would I word that? I did have a basic sub agreement but it didnt have any penalties in it.


you would probably need to consult someone in your area first to determine what is allowable by law in your state or at least find out some things that would be a major no no in your state.

things do vary from state to state but when it comes to a business to business agreement there is some wiggle room because the deal is between two parties but as you said, you have to run a business and you have to cover your tail and one of the best ways to do that is having everything you do in writing.

everyone i hire, work for and subs have to sign agreements and in this day and age unfortunately you can not do business no other way and i could care less if you were my best friend you will sign a agreement or no deal.

as far as wording goes, you don't need to reinvent the wheel but you need to spell out every aspect of what is expected of them as well as make it very clear what the consequences would be if they were to leave you hanging.

using subs is not like hiring a employee and the snow and ice control end of the business is not like landscaping especially if you are dealing with commercial accounts.
you have a responsibility to your customers and it needs to be made very clear what is involved and expected out of your subs.

if someone decides something better came along and they don't want to work for you that is fine but they can not let you know that at 2 o'clock in the morning the day of a storm they have to give you proper notice so you can plan around it.
too many people today make half azzed commitments to people and then only leave the person holding their dick in their hand.

contracts also weed out the unreliable people because anyone who is not serious and has a track record of screwing people are gonna run to the hills when it comes time to sign on the dotted line and that is a good thing because it prevents you from having your time wasted.

the same holds true for customers, the ones that like to screw contractors out of money also do not like contracts because it makes them accountable and leaves a legal trail right to them.