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Shark1611
08-01-2011, 11:41 PM
Does PREEM work or not? I have a bed that have to keep fighting weeks. Grass, johnson grass, and crab grass. I would like to know of something I could put down that would not kill the Lantana that I have down but slow down my weed pulling. If there is another string on this then please point me that way.

Help....

Steve
08-03-2011, 01:27 PM
Can you lay down any landscape fabric?

Shark1611
08-03-2011, 09:44 PM
Can you lay down any landscape fabric?

Wish I could but the plants have been there. We won a bid at one of the jobs is to keep the beds up. Pulling weeds once a week is not bad I was just looking for something that would help cut the pulling down.

Fisher
08-03-2011, 10:38 PM
I have a homeowner that I service only once per month to clean beds, weed eat and just take care of all the damage her husband does the rest of the month.

Anyhow, She always has Preen in her beds that she applies often. She also always has grass and just a few weeds in her beds. She says this is because her husband always blows his clippings directly into the beds and make no attempt to clear them out. Anyhow, I'm convinced that it wouldn't be my first choice of product.

Shark1611
08-04-2011, 12:15 AM
I have a homeowner that I service only once per month to clean beds, weed eat and just take care of all the damage her husband does the rest of the month.

Anyhow, She always has Preen in her beds that she applies often. She also always has grass and just a few weeds in her beds. She says this is because her husband always blows his clippings directly into the beds and make no attempt to clear them out. Anyhow, I'm convinced that it wouldn't be my first choice of product.

Thank you that is what I needed to know. The post here have a lot about mowing but when it comes to this stuff there is not much feed back.

MountainViewGreenskeeper
08-04-2011, 01:12 AM
Well here is the more specific answer. Preen works for the most part as a homeowner pre emergent. But with only pulling the grass your leaving roots for the grass to grow back from. So until you kill the roots nothing is gunna change. The pre emergent only stops the seeds from germinating has nothing to do with the roots.

jymie
08-04-2011, 08:24 AM
Has anyone had any experience using ROUNDUP? I have found the following online:

Roundup is a non-selective herbicide used to kill unwanted grasses and weeds. It is available in professional strength liquid concentrate and professional dry concentrate formulations. When Roundup is sprayed on plant foliage, it is absorbed and then moved — or translocated — throughout the plant’s tissues. Once inside the plant, Glyphosate (the active ingredient in Roundup) inhibits the production of an enzyme, called EPSP synthase, which in turn prevents the plant from manufacturing certain aromatic amino acids essential for plant growth and life. Glyphosate interrupts the metabolic process in plants, so its effect may not be visible for about four days in annual plants and up to seven days in perennial plants. After application, the plant wilts and turns yellow, and then turns brown as the plant tissue deteriorates. At the same time, Glyphosate decomposes the plant’s underground roots and rhizomes. Ultimately, the entire plant dies, is incapable of regenerating, and enriches the soil as it decomposes.
Tests have shown that Roundup, when used according to label directions, has no weed killing activity once in contact with the soil. Glyphosate will not move in or on the soil to affect non-target vegetation, and it does not move through the soil to enter other non-target plants by the root system. Glyphosate is only effective when it comes into contact with the green, growing parts of plants. Other tests have shown that Glyphosate binds tightly to most soil particles until it is degraded. This means that the likelihood of Roundup harming nearby plants is negligible, and there is an extremely low potential for Glyphosate to move into groundwater.
Many professionals now prefer to tank mix their favorite Roundup herbicide with Scythe. This combination provides faster burn-off of grasses and new growth weeds and also accelerates the systemic action of Glyphosate.

Rodriguez11
08-04-2011, 11:44 PM
Check into a product called Ranger Pro herbicide. I buy mine from the local farm supply store, as in a real one that is straight herbicide and straight fertilizer no gimmicks and added ingredients. This one is two ingredients, Glyphosate and something else. But it's extremely concentrated and will save you so much in the future. I bought 5 gallons, 2 (2.5) gallon bottles for $70 vs buying something like spectracide from Lowes at $15 for a 30oz bottle (That is $64 a gallon) so 5 gallons of spectracide would run $320 for something you can get for roughly $70 dependent upon if it's in your area. Something to think about because it is major major savings and a really good product, takes about 4oz of solution per 5 gallons of water for typical maintenance spraying.

MountainViewGreenskeeper
08-05-2011, 01:50 AM
Unless it rains alot I find Round up to be a waist of money. Buy just Glyphosate, it usually has more of the active ingredient(Glyphosate) and way less. Round Up usually has a rain fast witch means it won't wash of in about an hr or 2 of dry time.

I would highly suggest getting a penatrant weather it be no foam A no foam B or magnify, or something to that extent.

Also consider using Trimec 992 or the classic they work better in colder weather I found. Also it mix ratio is lower then Glyphosate but about same price for 2.5 gallons.

If your local landscape shop don't carry it look for a pest control supply shop. A weed is a pest.

psparaco
08-06-2011, 10:42 PM
I have used RoundUp Weed & Grass Killer. Its rainproof in 10 minutes. You spray or foam what you want to kill. visible proof in 4-6 hours the plant on the surface turns brown and is dead. Complete kill of the entire plant, roots and all within 1-2 weeks. I swear by the stuff. My sidewalk is weed/grass free in the cracks. No more weedwacking the darn cracks and wasting time.

check out the product label here -> http://www.scotts.com/smg/products/round_up/kill_and_prevent_weeds/pdf/PNGRefill.pdf

Landscape fabric sucks cause weeds find a way to grow through it.

It doesn't matter how much mulch you put in the flower bed. Weeds and grasses will find a route to sunlight and heat.

If you do not want plants in a flower bed to be treated. Take some cardboard and shield the plant while you spray the weeds you want to kill. within 1-2 weeks the weeds will be dead and will breakdown into compost for the soil.

Hope this info help.

Paul

Shark1611
08-07-2011, 10:02 PM
I have used RoundUp Weed & Grass Killer. Its rainproof in 10 minutes. You spray or foam what you want to kill. visible proof in 4-6 hours the plant on the surface turns brown and is dead. Complete kill of the entire plant, roots and all within 1-2 weeks. I swear by the stuff. My sidewalk is weed/grass free in the cracks. No more weedwacking the darn cracks and wasting time.

check out the product label here -> http://www.scotts.com/smg/products/round_up/kill_and_prevent_weeds/pdf/PNGRefill.pdf

Landscape fabric sucks cause weeds find a way to grow through it.

It doesn't matter how much mulch you put in the flower bed. Weeds and grasses will find a route to sunlight and heat.

If you do not want plants in a flower bed to be treated. Take some cardboard and shield the plant while you spray the weeds you want to kill. within 1-2 weeks the weeds will be dead and will breakdown into compost for the soil.

Hope this info help.

Paul

Thank you so much for the information. I will try this again. Have a great week!

Shark1611
08-07-2011, 10:04 PM
Check into a product called Ranger Pro herbicide. I buy mine from the local farm supply store, as in a real one that is straight herbicide and straight fertilizer no gimmicks and added ingredients. This one is two ingredients, Glyphosate and something else. But it's extremely concentrated and will save you so much in the future. I bought 5 gallons, 2 (2.5) gallon bottles for $70 vs buying something like spectracide from Lowes at $15 for a 30oz bottle (That is $64 a gallon) so 5 gallons of spectracide would run $320 for something you can get for roughly $70 dependent upon if it's in your area. Something to think about because it is major major savings and a really good product, takes about 4oz of solution per 5 gallons of water for typical maintenance spraying.

Thanks for the information. I do not need a lot so I will check this week.

Shark1611
08-07-2011, 10:06 PM
Unless it rains alot I find Round up to be a waist of money. Buy just Glyphosate, it usually has more of the active ingredient(Glyphosate) and way less. Round Up usually has a rain fast witch means it won't wash of in about an hr or 2 of dry time.

I would highly suggest getting a penatrant weather it be no foam A no foam B or magnify, or something to that extent.

Also consider using Trimec 992 or the classic they work better in colder weather I found. Also it mix ratio is lower then Glyphosate but about same price for 2.5 gallons.

If your local landscape shop don't carry it look for a pest control supply shop. A weed is a pest.

I have used the Trimec and has not done as well as MSMA but then again maybe I do not mix it strong enough. I also used Dove with it.

Shark1611
08-28-2011, 05:00 PM
Do any of you have a ball park that you work with on round up spraying? I think I should of included this in some of my homeowner custmers but did not.

So what I do is now and then a bed might need a small amout of round up while another may need more to spray over a rock driveway, etc. It's hard for me to know what to charge so I feel like I am throwing darts.

What about 1/4, 1/2, 1, gallon charge? It would be easy to do it this way because I always know how much I used after walking off the property but mark up is hard to know what is a fair price.

MountainViewGreenskeeper
08-29-2011, 06:00 PM
Is that all you are doing on the property is spraying?

If so check with you OPM for your state and see if you can legally spray. In AZ spray a weed killer like that has to be a secondary action on a yard not a just there to spray. Then you fall under pest control guide lines.

Aside from that statement I would charge a minimum of like $30 $40. I know it is propably over priced for the little things you are doing but don't cheat yourself buy charging the $10 $15 it should cost you. Then again its probably $15 $20 if you are still using round up.

druda22
02-02-2012, 10:37 PM
* BE EXTREMLY CAREFUL WHERE YOU USE IT, THIS WILL MAKE THE SOIL UNUSEABLE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, AND THIS WILL KILL ANYTHING IT COMES IN CONTACT WITH *

Ingredients

1 gallon of white or distilled vinegar
1 cup of salt
2 tbsp liquid dish detergent unscented

Instructions

1. Pour one gallon of vinegar into an all-purpose, outdoor sprayer, or any container of your choice.

2. Add one cup of salt. Morton Salt works nicely, but any brand of salt will also work great

3. Add two tablespoons of liquid dish detergent. Ivory liquid dish detergent, or any other detergent will work. However, try to stay away from the scented detergents.

4. Mix all ingredients together by stirring. If you have combined the ingredients in a lawn and garden sprayer, put the lid on securely and shake to mix.

5. Spray directly onto weeds or you can pour directly into the cracks of walkways and driveways where weeds are growing.

How each ingredient works.


Vinegar
Vinegar is distilled through a fermentation process from grain, apples, or grapes. Common household vinegar has an active ingredient called acetic acid, usually diluted to a 5% concentration. This may be labeled as 5% acidity.

Acetic acid, like most strong acids, is a desiccant. That means it removes moisture. When sprayed on plant foliage, the water in the leaves is drawn out, and the top growth of the plant is killed. Whether or not the root is killed depends on the type of plant and its maturity.

The strength of the solution of acetic acid determines how fast and how completely it will kill weeds. Full strength vinegar, not diluted with water, will be strongest. Vinegar with higher acidity is available, though it is not commonly found everywhere. A serious caution on using stronger vinegar in a home made weed killer formula, or for any household usage, will be presented later.

Vinegar is not selective when it is sprayed on plants. It has the potential to kill any and all foliage. This means that if you spray weeds in your lawn, your grass will die as easily as the weed. If you spray weeds in your flower bed or vegetable garden, the good can die as well as the bad. As a home made weed killer, vinegar will have limited application, and will require that valuable plants be protected.

Some plants may be more resistant to absorbing it. Leaves with a waxy or hairy covering may absorb less of the solution and suffer less damage. Some plants may die above ground, but send up new growth from the root. This means that you will not get 100% control using vinegar as a home made weed killer.


Salt
Many of the homemade weed killer recipes include salt. Most suggest regular table salt, some say water-softener salt, others mention rock salt. Salt is salt. Salt kills plants. It may be added to some recipes to kill the plants when vinegar alone won’t.

Salt also acts as a desiccant, drawing moisture out of the plant. Most recipes are intended for use as a foliar spray. A few will instruct you to drench the soil around the weeds, expecting to kill the root more successfully.

Salt is problematic. It will get rid of your weeds, but also anything else nearby. It will hang around, leaving you with long term difficulty when you want to grow desirable plants. You may have heard the term “burned a plant with fertilizer”. That is because regular fertilizer is a salt. Apply it too heavily and plants die. Salt can remain in the soil, even affecting roots from distant plants.

If your desire in wanting to use home made weed killer is because you want natural products, instead of chemicals, don’t use salt as a weed killer. It defeats the effort of trying to develop healthy soil.

The one exception might be if you are spot treating weeds that pop up in cracks in your driveway, patio or sidewalks. Just use it sparingly, as it can leach into the area where good plants live.


Soap
The soap added to these formulas for homemade weed killer is primarily to improve the absorption of the spray. Liquid dish detergent (not dishwasher or hand soap) is the most effective at this.

Soap is able to break down the cuticle or waxy surface found on many weeds. This makes the plant more susceptible to the action of the active ingredient, like the acetic acid. Soap also breaks the surface tension of water, which helps it to stick to the leaves, rather than running off. This allows more of the killing agent to hang on and get working.

Soap is usually an oil derivative. Oil kills plants. Some soaps might kill plants themselves if they were applied in a strong enough concentration. A sideline benefit of adding the soap is that it is easier to see where the spray goes. The weeds will look shiny, as if coated with oil. This helps keep track of the sprayed area.

These results provide good reason to add soap to a home made weed killer. The amount of soap required as an additive would be small, no more than 1 ounce per gallon. As a sole ingredient to kill weeds, the concentration would have to be much higher

* USE THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. *

Shark1611
02-24-2012, 08:14 AM
What or how do you guys go about charging for spot weed kill. Like drive ways, side walks, spot areas in beds? Calculate for price or just toss it in for your customer at N/C? Over a year this would cost you big time. Thoughts?

Steve
02-24-2012, 04:33 PM
What is your view of 'spot'? How much product do you think such spot treatments could use up in a year?

Shark1611
02-24-2012, 07:41 PM
What is your view of 'spot'? How much product do you think such spot treatments could use up in a year?

I do not know how to figure it other than I can go through about a gallon a week just spraying a weed in a bed here, or one in the drive way there. I spot spay the ones I can see.

willshome
02-25-2012, 11:18 PM
I used the
"1 gallon of white or distilled vinegar
1 cup of salt
2 tbsp liquid dish detergent unscented"
all last year with no problems and did a side by side test with round-up, and the mix worked better

I know some one that got a $1,000 fine for having roundup on his trailer with no paper work for it (msds)

Shark1611
02-26-2012, 09:17 AM
I used the
"1 gallon of white or distilled vinegar
1 cup of salt
2 tbsp liquid dish detergent unscented"
all last year with no problems and did a side by side test with round-up, and the mix worked better

I know some one that got a $1,000 fine for having roundup on his trailer with no paper work for it (msds)

I'm gonna try it. Thanks!

stevef1201
02-26-2012, 09:58 AM
What or how do you guys go about charging for spot weed kill. Like drive ways, side walks, spot areas in beds? Calculate for price or just toss it in for your customer at N/C? Over a year this would cost you big time. Thoughts?

I charge 5 dollars extra per week for this, unless it is just a samll amount of weeds in the front of the house like a driveway crack. That really shows up to the neighbors and makes it look unfinished. If you do make sure that the front yard looks great you will pick up customers in the area.

Shark1611
02-27-2012, 12:18 AM
I charge 5 dollars extra per week for this, unless it is just a samll amount of weeds in the front of the house like a driveway crack. That really shows up to the neighbors and makes it look unfinished. If you do make sure that the front yard looks great you will pick up customers in the area.

Sounds good. That is kind of the way I have been doing it. I have this one customer who I mow every week and he has an area about 750 sq foot by the lake that is rocks only. I spray the weeds and then the next week they come up in another place so it is like an on going thing. Thanks for the information.

willshome
02-27-2012, 07:55 AM
Sounds good. That is kind of the way I have been doing it. I have this one customer who I mow every week and he has an area about 750 sq foot by the lake that is rocks only. I spray the weeds and then the next week they come up in another place so it is like an on going thing. Thanks for the information.

YOU CAN'T USE ROUND-UP NEAR A LAKE THE EPA WILL KILL YOU. I think its like $100,000 fine

Shark1611
05-10-2012, 12:05 AM
I have used RoundUp Weed & Grass Killer. Its rainproof in 10 minutes. You spray or foam what you want to kill. visible proof in 4-6 hours the plant on the surface turns brown and is dead. Complete kill of the entire plant, roots and all within 1-2 weeks. I swear by the stuff. My sidewalk is weed/grass free in the cracks. No more weedwacking the darn cracks and wasting time.

check out the product label here -> http://www.scotts.com/smg/products/round_up/kill_and_prevent_weeds/pdf/PNGRefill.pdf

Landscape fabric sucks cause weeds find a way to grow through it.

It doesn't matter how much mulch you put in the flower bed. Weeds and grasses will find a route to sunlight and heat.

If you do not want plants in a flower bed to be treated. Take some cardboard and shield the plant while you spray the weeds you want to kill. within 1-2 weeks the weeds will be dead and will breakdown into compost for the soil.

Hope this info help.

Paul

Thank you Paul for the help.

JLM
05-10-2012, 10:09 PM
Pull it all by hand roots and all. Use 2 applications of surflan pre emerge 1 week apart mix at 3oz to a gallon and repeat treatment every 2 weeks for a month you will keep it down. Looking for a quick burn look for Reward it contains dyquat. Pre emerge will not harm the lantana Reward may burn it a bit if you get drift but it wont kill it.. so long as you dont soak it. I have used this combo for a long time and it works great. They use dyquat to burn the leaves off of cotton plants before picking... burns off the foilage but with the right mix the plant can survive. Mix Reward at 2.5 oz per gallon.

Apex Lawn & Landscape
05-10-2012, 10:32 PM
A trick I learned: Add some food coloring to the weed killer, blue works best n my opinion, allows you to see whats been sprayed and what hasnt, washes away first rain.

Steve
05-12-2012, 10:25 AM
That is a very neat trick!

Shark1611
05-12-2012, 03:27 PM
I used the
"1 gallon of white or distilled vinegar
1 cup of salt
2 tbsp liquid dish detergent unscented"
all last year with no problems and did a side by side test with round-up, and the mix worked better

I know some one that got a $1,000 fine for having roundup on his trailer with no paper work for it (msds)

I am going to try this and see how well it works.