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Paineless Creations
05-01-2011, 11:06 AM
I've done a lot of measurements and need to lay down 37 yds. of medium river rock in an apartment complex. There are many areas between each unit, so not all one large area (many small areas).

I've been asked to just lay the rock over whatever is there now-most places it's mulch or even bare dirt. I will weed out the big stuff and spray first, but will not be laying down weed barrier cloth.

I have to park out in the parking area/lot, shovel the rock into a small dump trailer that pulls behind my lawn mower, then go in through the gate to each area that needs rock laid down. I can dump it there, since it's a dump trailer, on the larger areas, but there are many small areas that I will have to hand shovel and spread out of the dump trailer.

Hopefully I've given a good idea of the task. What I need to know is:

How many man hours per yard (approx.) will it take to lay and spread the stuff down since I've not done this type of work before. I know my labor rate, just want to get an idea of the time needed.

I will be making multiple trips to pick up rock over time since I can't have it delivered in a large load as there is no place to keep it. I can carry 2-3 yds at one time if I fill my truck AND trailer, but was thinking I would only use the trailer since it's easier to get it off that and into the dump trailer. So I can take maybe 1 or 1/2 yds. in the trailer. Anything else I need to consider here for the bid?

Thanks so much!

Steve
05-01-2011, 12:47 PM
How far away are you going to be buying the stone from?

Also how large is your trailer that is going to be pulled behind your mower?

Any overhead pics you can show us and maybe highlight the areas you are going to be working on?

brian'slawncare
05-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Any overhead pics you can show us and maybe highlight the areas you are going to be working on?

go to bing ( 3D ) and take a screen shot and upload it

CHEESE2009
05-01-2011, 05:55 PM
I did a job similar to that. I find it easier to buy bags of them.

I can then lay them out every 5 ft. Tear open the bags and dump them out and spread them. They are easy to carry over your shoulder, easy to count & comes with a handy receipt to show the customer.

Be careful with these rocks though, shops tend to mix in different stone sizes and your customer might want the bigger ones as they tend to look best.

Fisher
05-01-2011, 06:28 PM
Using bags? Wouldn't that take 500 bags? Have you considered having the truck loads of stone dumped in the parking lot and using a mini track loader and wheel borrows to distribute the stone? 45ton of stone is a lot to move with a trailer bagged or not.

Paineless Creations
05-01-2011, 11:38 PM
Here is a view of the apartments. There are two picture flipped so I can show you all the spots. I put arrows where all the gravel will go. I put a star where I will be parking and there is a gate there.

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B-2 Lawncare
05-02-2011, 09:31 AM
Using bags? Wouldn't that take 500 bags? Have you considered having the truck loads of stone dumped in the parking lot and using a mini track loader and wheel borrows to distribute the stone? ton of stone is a lot to move with a trailer bagged or not.

I would agree 45 ton is a lot of stone to move on your trailer, and I would hire a dump truck " like Fisher said". I know that up front cost of hiring a dumtruck sucks but It's going to save you money, and I would get extra stone it seams like you always need a little more.
Sorry I can't help with your time line question. there are to many variables in your question. A" guess" on my part would be 5 min. Do you have help on this job? It might be worthwhile to hire a day labor so he can spread the rock while you are shuttling it.

Steve
05-04-2011, 05:10 PM
Have you considered having the truck loads of stone dumped in the parking lot and using a mini track loader and wheel borrows to distribute the stone?

After seeing the overhead, I would think that would be the way to go. Any more updates on this? Could you do it this way?

Paineless Creations
05-05-2011, 12:16 AM
Ok here is the latest. The board that runs these condos will not allow any rock left in the driveways for any extended period of time. They will not allow any type of heavy machinery on the lawns to tear up the grass. So back to my orginal plan of how to transport the rock as I explained it. I have measured everything and made a speadsheet of the cost of the rock and my labor amount based on the square footage. Here it is-tell me what you think.

Bobby

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Steve
05-05-2011, 05:10 PM
In your bid, when you say

3. Next to Shannon's 386 sqft $127.38 material cost $289.50 labor cost

Are you saying this is how much you would be charging to add the stone 'next to shannon's'? Or does this mean something else?

Paineless Creations
05-05-2011, 11:32 PM
yes the notes on the left are to tell me the areas I am bidding on, so that is the amount for the materials (rock) and labor.

Steve
05-06-2011, 01:36 PM
Ok if we go back to your original plan

So I can take maybe 1 or 1/2 yds. in the trailer.

You are looking at 45 to 90 trips back and forth to the local supplier to get the 45 tons needed?

How far away is the supplier?

How many miles?

Getting the product alone might account for a large amount of time and fuel costs.

Paineless Creations
05-06-2011, 09:44 PM
Ok if we go back to your original plan



You are looking at 45 to 90 trips back and forth to the local supplier to get the 45 tons needed?

How far away is the supplier?

How many miles?

Getting the product alone might account for a large amount of time and fuel costs.

still searching that out but it looks like it is 6.3 miles on a easy road

bruces
05-06-2011, 10:00 PM
would they allow a four wheeler with a trailer ?

Paineless Creations
05-07-2011, 07:50 PM
would they allow a four wheeler with a trailer ?

Yes, same as my lawn mower? Whats your thoughts?

Steve
05-09-2011, 06:19 PM
I would think, the four wheeler with trailer would really save you time getting the rock from the truck to the dump spot.

The 6.3 miles to the supplier is going to end up being potentially
(6.3 x 2) = 12.6 miles round trip. You gotta figure a half hour to get there, get the product and get back?

So each trip could be at least 30 mins X 90 trips total would be 45 hours?

WOW Is that possible? That is a full week of man hours just to go and get the stone and bring it back?

Fisher
05-09-2011, 10:46 PM
A four wheeler or mower with trailer is larger and will cause just as much damage i believe as my 4' wide dingo. Even if you cant take a dingo onto the grounds it may still be quicker to load trailers with compared to shoveling. Save the shoveling for the guys spreading the stone in the beds.


I've been told before that I couldn't have stone sitting for any amount of time as well, but at the same time could get by with it if it was cleared by the end of the day (especially if you could save yourself and the customer hundreds to a couple thousand) If you dump it in the parking lot and then just focused on getting the outer perimeter bed first and then the others just dumping the stone to get it moved and the parking lot could be cleared by the end of the day when the residents get home. Then come back the next day to spread the stone in the beds.

bruces
05-10-2011, 12:05 AM
my idea with the fourwheeler is exactly what fisher said .Get a load dropped early in the morning ,and shuttle the rocks with the fourwheeler untill the parking spot your rocks were in is empty .

Paineless Creations
05-10-2011, 01:13 AM
I would think, the four wheeler with trailer would really save you time getting the rock from the truck to the dump spot.

The 6.3 miles to the supplier is going to end up being potentially
(6.3 x 2) = 12.6 miles round trip. You gotta figure a half hour to get there, get the product and get back?

So each trip could be at least 30 mins X 90 trips total would be 45 hours?

WOW Is that possible? That is a full week of man hours just to go and get the stone and bring it back?

WOW that is some time, crap your right steve.

Paineless Creations
05-10-2011, 01:15 AM
A four wheeler or mower with trailer is larger and will cause just as much damage i believe as my 4' wide dingo. Even if you cant take a dingo onto the grounds it may still be quicker to load trailers with compared to shoveling. Save the shoveling for the guys spreading the stone in the beds.


I've been told before that I couldn't have stone sitting for any amount of time as well, but at the same time could get by with it if it was cleared by the end of the day (especially if you could save yourself and the customer hundreds to a couple thousand) If you dump it in the parking lot and then just focused on getting the outer perimeter bed first and then the others just dumping the stone to get it moved and the parking lot could be cleared by the end of the day when the residents get home. Then come back the next day to spread the stone in the beds.

Hmm ok I think I need to look at the possibity of doing this now. you are making alot of since.... thank you

Steve
05-10-2011, 07:21 PM
I am thinking the apartment complex wants to minimize the impact of the job on their residents, which is understandable, but with that minimizing comes a down side.

If you can't dump a large load of stone on site then you will need to make many trips. This will increase your costs.

So I would think, either they want to pay a higher fee for the sake of not inconveniencing their residents, or they would have to find a larger company that could dump a larger load of stone and then have the manpower to quickly move it to it's proper resting place.

Keep us posted on what you decide to do.