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Hedgemaster
03-20-2011, 12:55 AM
Warning: Lots of photos! (And damn, my back yard grass looks like heck!)


At the end of last season the deck on my old Craftsman mower broke where the engine bolts to it, so I knew I needed a mower come spring time.
I priced Toros in the fall and narrowed down what model I was going to get, and almost bought one a few weeks ago. Glad I waited - saw a guy who let me know that the local dealer was having an open house yesterday - even better, when I arrived, everything was 10% off!

Woo-Hoo!!!

Brand spankin' new Toro Super Recycler 20092 (http://www.toro.com/home/mowers/superrecycler/20092.html)

Reg. $529.
Today it was $477 for a savings of $52.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6237.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6238.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6240.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6241.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6243.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6244.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/104_6247.jpg





Then, since I have the Stihl FS90R string trimmer that takes gearbox attachments, I picked up an articulating hedge trimmer attachment for it.
I was debating the purchase of an edger attachment, but I think the hedge trimmer will be more useful in the long run. I have a decent Craftsman hedge trimmer, but this baby will give me more "ooompf!" for cutting the heavy stuff as well as extended reach.

Just loosen two screws on the string trimmer head, slide it off, slip on the hedge trimmer attachment, tighten, and it's ready to go - takes about 60 seconds.

They sell two models - a "straight" one, and this articulating model that has 13 locking positions. Some features are worth the added cost, and even though it's a lot of money for an attachment, it would run me twice that for a dedicated unit.

Reg. $229.
Today it was $204 for a savings of $25.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6252.jpg

(I may have to use this ^^^ for an avatar! :D )


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6249.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6254.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6257.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6255.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6256.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6258.jpg



and folded for transport/storage...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Stihl%20Hedge%20Trimmer%20Attachment/104_6261.jpg




I saved $77 due to blind luck. Had I not been told about the open house, I would have missed out.
Heck, I saved more than that actually... he tossed in an $18 fuel can (that I asked to buy) for free.
I also got samples of fuel additive (to fight that friggin' ethanol) to treat 30 gal of gas, a Stihl t-shirt, A Toro hat, safety glasses, a Toro mug, a digital tire pressure gauge, and a padded trimmer shoulder strap.
It was like Christmas in July... in March!
:)

Steve
03-20-2011, 03:51 PM
That is awesome!

I look forwards to your equipment reviews on it after you are using it for a few times.

Hedgemaster
03-20-2011, 04:08 PM
Can't wait to try the mower. I've never owned one without a throttle control or primer bulb for starting.

Looks pretty sleek without the bag. May have to mount a whale tail spoiler on that bad boy. :D

Hedgemaster
03-21-2011, 08:30 PM
What the hell?

I'm all geeked because I got a new mower and nobody wants to show me any love?
What, not good enough because it's not a ten thousand dollar zero turn?


Damned lawn snobs!


LOL!

:D

;)

bruces
03-21-2011, 09:00 PM
I picked one of those exact mowers up last year,brand new for $5.00 .Somebody backed over it in the garage,bent the deck so bad the blade would not turn ,handles bent and broken beyond repair .The engine re-powered a tired mower I had,and the tranny got me $50.00 so it worked awesome for me .The engine had lots of grunt and worked real well even in long wet grass .

950thomas
03-21-2011, 09:32 PM
I am happy for u I am the same way when I buy new toys congrats on the new addition to u growing lawn empire

Hedgemaster
03-21-2011, 10:50 PM
I picked one of those exact mowers up last year,brand new for $5.00 .Somebody backed over it in the garage,bent the deck so bad the blade would not turn ,handles bent and broken beyond repair .The engine re-powered a tired mower I had,and the tranny got me $50.00 so it worked awesome for me .The engine had lots of grunt and worked real well even in long wet grass .

Heh. Awesome!

Good to know about the power. Never used one of these - hoping the mulching is as good as the name implies since I don't have access to a free dumping spot for clippings.

Hedgemaster
03-21-2011, 11:30 PM
I am happy for u I am the same way when I buy new toys congrats on the new addition to u growing lawn empire

Thanks. :)

LOL at "lawn empire"!



Oh, and hey everyone... the master finally got around to making an avatar!
:D

jymie
03-21-2011, 11:56 PM
I find that the toro mulching mowers absolutely scramble grass and leaves into a powder. Leaf cleanup last year was awesome with the toro push mower.

Hedgemaster
03-26-2011, 10:25 PM
I waxed my mower today.


:D :D :D

Hedgemaster
03-27-2011, 10:42 AM
And in case anyone thought I was joking about waxing the mower...


TA-DA!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1101.jpg

Astro Shield! Love the stuff. Too bad they are out of business now.


Theoretically, I should be able to mow faster now, as the waxed deck is more aerodynamic.
:D


Hey, does anyone use any sort of spray for UNDER the deck?
I picked up a can of "MO-DECK (http://www.mdiproducts.biz/)" to try since the mower is new, and clean.

http://www.precoparts.com/images/products/MODECKCAN07_225.JPEG

Will it actually DO what it says it does?

fieroboi
03-27-2011, 08:42 PM
Hey Hedgemaster,

Congrats on the new mower, it looks awesome! I too only run 21" walk behinds as all my yards are too small for anything else. I have looked at the Toro as well and really liked what i saw but I have no local Toro dealer here unless I want to drive 60 miles to get one or for service (not going to happen anytime soon) so I have been using Cub Cadets. I've been really happy with them and the local dealer just can not be beat for service.

I am interested in hearing how you like it as I have heard they are amazing at mulching. Keep us informed.


Lloyd
Blue's YardFX
Camrose, AB

Hedgemaster
04-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Used the new mower for the first time today! :)

First mow job of the season.
Started on the third pull (today was the very first time it was started) and after that, it started on the first pull every time. I also have to say that it's the easiest "pull" of any mower I've owned in the past.

Bags well - fills the bag, unlike my Craftsman which seems to clog before the bag gets full.
After I did that job, I took the bag off and "mulched" my back yard. The grass isn't really high enough yet to tell how well it mulches though.

LOOK! It's DIRTY now! LOL!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1210.jpg


No, really... look CLOSER!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1211.jpg


See!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1212.jpg


Even under HERE!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1214.jpg


LOL! :D


I tried that "washout port". I'm not sure I understand the purpose though.
I thought the thing would "spin", or somehow spray the underside of the entire deck, but it only sprays the front half.
Maybe that's the most critical part to keep clean, as the "kickers" are mounted up there. (They deflect grass back to be chopped up again when mulching)
I ended up just using the hose to spray it all off. It did come clean, which surprised me. It felt like it was "hardened" on there pretty good. Maybe the "MO-DECK" spray actually helped?



So far...

Likes:

Personal Pace - works well. Fast.
Easy to start
Fold up handle locks in place for storage
No primer/throttle
Bag is easy to remove and replace
Relatively quiet


Dislikes:

Too much plastic (that top engine cover is really flimsy)
Have to adjust each wheel height individually (My Craftsman had a 1 point adjustment lever)
Can't "mulch on demand" like the Recycler line - have to insert a "plug" when you remove the bag. One more thing to lose - one more step to take.
No aftermarket chrome wheels available. :D

wandfsmall
04-05-2011, 08:18 AM
Hey, does anyone use any sort of spray for UNDER the deck?
I picked up a can of "MO-DECK (http://www.mdiproducts.biz/)" to try since the mower is new, and clean.

http://www.precoparts.com/images/products/MODECKCAN07_225.JPEG

Will it actually DO what it says it does?

We have tested MODECK and it does not do nearly as good as the can suggests. I have had really good results from Fluid Film though.

XtreemGreen
04-05-2011, 09:30 AM
That trimmer attachment you will absolutely LOVE..

Hedgemaster
04-05-2011, 11:31 AM
We have tested MODECK and it does not do nearly as good as the can suggests. I have had really good results from Fluid Film though.


Noted. Thank you for your input!

Hedgemaster
04-05-2011, 11:35 AM
That trimmer attachment you will absolutely LOVE..

I can't wait to try it. I'm interested in knowing what size branches I can cut with it. Looks like it will cut some big stuff.

I have a row of "hedges" (not really sure what they are) 8' tall along the back of my yard. This thing should make maintaining them a breeze.

LawnMoore
04-10-2011, 11:25 PM
I have the hedger for my 130 kombi, its a breeze, but it will only cut to its capacity, if that makes sense, you cant fit anything larger in it lol..

but mines the biggest power head @ 2.1 hp yours might not cut as well.. Idk

PhivestarLawnCare
04-11-2011, 12:39 AM
that's a nice mower i would be affraid to get it dirty, joking lol.. and love the hedge trimmer i bet that bad boy is awesome.

Hedgemaster
04-11-2011, 04:54 PM
that's a nice mower i would be affraid to get it dirty, joking lol.. and love the hedge trimmer i bet that bad boy is awesome.

Thanks. I mowed my lawn today with it and hosed it all off afterwards.
I think the wax helps. :D

I may need to build a "cleaning station" for use in my driveway because I don't have a place to just hose it off and leave the chunks of grass lay. Maybe a square section of plywood with a "lip" around the edges, notched to allow the water to drain? It would contain most of the slop that gets rinsed off, then when it dries, I can pick up the grass chunks and toss it in the trash.

I dunno... I've never washed a mower before, but if I'm using it to make money, I need to take care of it.

Hedgemaster
04-22-2011, 01:35 PM
Not only did the new mower get dirty today, it got RAINED on!

I picked up a client yesterday at the end of the day and made arrangements to mow the yard around mid day today. Got home, saw the "doom and gloom" forecast, and called her to ask if I could mow at 9am instead because the rain was coming. (Her grass is already too stinking high as it is) "That's fine!" she said.

Here's the Toro digesting some greenery this morning...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1545.jpg

I have to say that I'm impressed with it's mulching capability. Even with that high grass, there was minimal "clumping". There is no way my old Craftsman would mulch grass as tall as this thing can.
It also is pretty good going up hills. The Personal Pace self propel system works quite well. On level ground, you can move pretty fast with it. I'm not sure what speed it's rated at, but it will move faster than I can. ( :o )

I still have to say that the "washout port" is retarded. I think it's a better marketing angle than it is a useful feature. Rather than unscrewing my sprayer attachment to connect my hose to the mower, I tilt the mower to the side, and hit it with the nozzle set to "jet". I can hose off the whole thing that way. If I use the washout port, only the front gets sprayed.

Speaking of washing. Here's the filthy beast when I got back home. It had started to rain as I was wrapping up the job. My poor baby had to ride home in the rain.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1562.jpg

Note: This cargo carrier is IDEAL for jobs when you don't need the whole trailer, or are working in the city.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/IMAG1563.jpg

Well, that's my update. I like the mower a lot. It's getting dirty, it's making me some money, and it's due for it's first oil change!

Steve
04-23-2011, 11:01 AM
I bet you have inspired more than a few people to purchase one of those mowers for themselves.

Hedgemaster
04-23-2011, 07:56 PM
I bet you have inspired more than a few people to purchase one of those mowers for themselves.

Heh. Maybe so.

I don't have it handy, but I have a Consumer Reports magazine that had a mower section in it. This model was their #2 pick. A Honda got the #1 spot, and as I recall it was priced $200 higher than the Toro.

So far, I agree with the old saying "You get what you pay for." I've always owned Craftsman and Murray mowers... some were cheap, and some were more expensive, but overall, none compare to this Toro.

I had nothing to do today, so I mowed my lawn then got my three "backup" mowers out of storage. Two of them started on the very first pull and the third needs a fuel line and gas tank replaced, so I didn't bother starting it until I get those changed.
I sprayed them all with Simple Green and hosed them down, then lined them all up for a photo. I'll post a pic if my phone ever gets finished sending them to my email...

Hedgemaster
04-23-2011, 08:54 PM
OK, here's the rest of the gang. The old ones wanted some love, so I cleaned them up a bit and got them all together for a family photo...


Newest to oldest...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1582.jpg

1. Toro Super Recycler SR4 - Brand new. Mulch/bag/side discharge
2. Toro Recycler. Mulch/bag/side discharge. Consumer model - about 8 yrs old. I just got it last season. Needs a new fuel tank
3. Craftsman Mulch/bag/side discharge - I bought this new about 9-10 years ago. Decent mower, but I bent the shaft 2 years ago and it vibrates like mad. Also, the deck broke in one spot where the engine bolts on.
My "beater" mower for questionable yards that may have hidden dangers for the first cut.
4. Homelite 20" Mulching mower. Mulcher or side discharge - no bag. This mower belonged to my father in law who only used it for about a year before he passed away.
It's at least 18 years old, but has only seen about 3 seasons of use. I kept it as a backup, but never really needed to use it. It's really lightweight and compact. Started on the first pull too.

Oldest to newest...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1585.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1586.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1587.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1589.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%2020092/4%20Mowers/IMAG1591.jpg

It's funny. I was just thinking about how long these mowers have lasted considering the complete lack of maintenance. I changed the oil in the Craftsman last year - for the FIRST time. LOL! Never changed a spark plug on a mower in my life either. Blades sharpened maybe every other year...
Things will be different with the new toro. ;)


Well, that's my slightly dysfunctional family. Hope you enjoyed the show.
:)

Hedgemaster
04-25-2011, 08:16 PM
Two more "way too high" lawns mowed with the Toro today and once again, it came through with flying colors.

I wasn't about to bag the first lawn, as I would have been emptying on every pass. I did have to put it at the highest setting for the back yard, but next time I cut it, I should be able to drop it down some more.


The second lawn I tried bagging, as he has a "dumping spot" over the hill in the back, but the grass was just too high, and the bag filled too quickly.
I switched back to mulching and had rather good results, even with the amount that I was taking off.

I'm going to have "Bagging is for Suckers" custom painted on the side of this mower! LOL!

ProGreen
04-25-2011, 10:35 PM
I have a Stihl FS80 Pro Series, how can I tell if it has an interchangeable head like yours? It has the same two screws to take it off as that one.

Hedgemaster
04-26-2011, 12:28 AM
I have a Stihl FS80 Pro Series, how can I tell if it has an interchangeable head like yours? It has the same two screws to take it off as that one.

I dunno... is that an older model?
I just looked in my Stihl catalog and I don't see an FS80 at all.

Paineless Creations
04-26-2011, 08:43 AM
I have a Stihl FS80 Pro Series, how can I tell if it has an interchangeable head like yours? It has the same two screws to take it off as that one.

No it will not, Hedgemaster is the running the Kombi Set up

Paineless Creations
04-26-2011, 08:46 AM
Hey Hedge I have the same Stihl setup as you KM130R Kombi I bought the the same hedge trimmers late last year. I have been using them for spring clean ups. Very sharp and cuts well, But to me its very hard to use as it is very big, hard to handle, Any thoughts.

Hedgemaster
04-26-2011, 09:00 AM
Actually, it's not the Kombi system.

It's the FS90R and it accepts gearbox attachments at the end of the shaft, rather than using a split shaft.

I went this route for two reasons - strength of the solid shaft and lower cost while having almost the same attachment options. It was less expensive to go this route (by $100), and there are only one or two attachment differences. The bonus with the Kombi system is that you can get extensions for the pole pruner, where my unit can not use an extension, and you are limited to the length of the stock shaft.

Yes, it does seem a bit unwieldy, but I haven't actually used it yet. I have a loop handle from an old trimmer I may slip on in front of the factory handle to give me more "grasping" options when using it that way.

JC Lawn Mowing
04-26-2011, 09:18 AM
I had one of these mowers about 7 years ago and loved it but they have changed alot since then. Please let me know how she works out for you my wife has been on me to get a new one cause it was the only mower she ever liked using. So keep us informed and congratulations.

Paineless Creations
04-27-2011, 10:33 PM
Actually, it's not the Kombi system.

It's the FS90R and it accepts gearbox attachments at the end of the shaft, rather than using a split shaft.

I went this route for two reasons - strength of the solid shaft and lower cost while having almost the same attachment options. It was less expensive to go this route (by $100), and there are only one or two attachment differences. The bonus with the Kombi system is that you can get extensions for the pole pruner, where my unit can not use an extension, and you are limited to the length of the stock shaft.

Yes, it does seem a bit unwieldy, but I haven't actually used it yet. I have a loop handle from an old trimmer I may slip on in front of the factory handle to give me more "grasping" options when using it that way.


very good thanks so much

Hedgemaster
04-30-2011, 11:05 PM
I had one of these mowers about 7 years ago and loved it but they have changed alot since then. Please let me know how she works out for you my wife has been on me to get a new one cause it was the only mower she ever liked using. So keep us informed and congratulations.

You may like this post...




I think I aged my Toro by two years on this job. LOL
It took me 4 hours total. Trim (hack), mow (twice), and blow.

Biggest mow I've done so far. I can't recall the dimensions in "feet", but the info on the county website says it's 22,500 sq. ft. with a ranch style house that is 1,740 sq. ft.

I quoted him $100 to cut it. Heck, I even mentioned that someone with bigger equipment may be able to provide a better cut than I can with my push mower, but he seemed to want me to do it - and do it, I did...



Along the front of the house.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1780.jpg


Near the front door... (This is typical of how most of the grass looked)

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1784.jpg


I think I can. I think I can...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1787.jpg


Last pass of the "first cut" before lowering the height and cutting in the opposite direction...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1789.jpg


I get the feeling I've been here before... sigh. Lower, cut, repeat.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1790.jpg


The SR4 powering through the heavy stuff again...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1795.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1796.jpg


Forget "Where's Waldo!" Where the eff is my TORO?!!!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1799.jpg


I was so stinking tired I only took one photo when I finished up. I just wanted to go home and eat. I worked this from 4pm 'til 8pm... The back was just as bad and about the same size, but fenced in.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1803.jpg


Heh. I was mowing down at the far end when a car pulled into the driveway. A guy got out and rather than going towards the house, he was walking in my direction.
"Hey buddy, did you MAKE that thing on the back of your truck?", he shouted.
LOL. He saw my cargo carrier and told me he has been looking for something like that to take his mower woth him when he goes to camp. "I saw that thing and yelled to my wife (who was driving) "TURN AROUND!!!"
LOL they drove back to ask me about this thing...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/High%20Grass%20Hulton%20Rd/IMAG1802.jpg

It's great for jobs in the city, or for when I don't need the trailer.



Anyway, the Toro is performing admirably. The guy whose grass I cut said, "I was watching out the window - that machine is a BEAST!"
LOL - indeed.

:)

bruces
05-01-2011, 10:18 AM
I would of used one of your other mowers for the initial cuts on this job,essentially sharing the work between the two mowers and letting the crappy mower do the hard work ,but anyway it looks like the toro is earning its keep .

Hedgemaster
05-04-2011, 04:23 PM
I would of used one of your other mowers for the initial cuts on this job,essentially sharing the work between the two mowers and letting the crappy mower do the hard work ,but anyway it looks like the toro is earning its keep .

Good idea. I'll keep that in mind for next time - and for when I am pulling my trailer.
That day I had jobs in the city first, so I just used the cargo carrier and only had room for one mower.

Hedgemaster
05-04-2011, 04:28 PM
Here's another "first cut" I did the other day...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Joan%20Dr%20First%20Cut/IMAG1862.jpg


Love this photo...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Joan%20Dr%20First%20Cut/IMAG1865.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Joan%20Dr%20First%20Cut/IMAG1869.jpg


After shots...

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Joan%20Dr%20First%20Cut/IMAG1871.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Joan%20Dr%20First%20Cut/IMAG1872.jpg


No work today, so I changed the oil...

bruces
05-04-2011, 05:46 PM
would you not be able to put your mower front to rear on that carrier,then stick two on it side by side with the handles out the back?

Hedgemaster
05-18-2011, 11:17 PM
Remember the nice, new, freshly-waxed Toro?






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are you sitting down?





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http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Braddock%20Rd%20Mushy%20Lawn/IMAG2107.jpg


:eek: GASP!


This is how it got that way... SWAMP YARD!!!

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Braddock%20Rd%20Mushy%20Lawn/IMAG2102.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Braddock%20Rd%20Mushy%20Lawn/IMAG2104.jpg


What a damned mess! When I started the job, I thought, "Hmmm... the WHOLE YARD can't be this bad."

It was.

Pray for dry weather - PLEASE. I have to go back there on Monday and there's rain in the forecast for the next FOREVER!

Sigh. Had I known, I would have taken my beater mower, but I don't know that it could have cut that high grass without choking.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Braddock%20Rd%20Mushy%20Lawn/IMAG2105.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Braddock%20Rd%20Mushy%20Lawn/IMAG2106.jpg

Johnny_boy02
05-18-2011, 11:39 PM
No offense but that yard looks like hell, I would be pissed. I only do that on some of my property preservation jobs because the bank wants the grass cut above all else.

I just sat around for 2 days waiting for the rain to stop. It sucks but its part of the business.

A little hose love will bring the mower back to nice.

Hedgemaster
05-18-2011, 11:58 PM
No offense but that yard looks like hell, I would be pissed. I only do that on some of my property preservation jobs because the bank wants the grass cut above all else.

I just sat around for 2 days waiting for the rain to stop. It sucks but its part of the business.

A little hose love will bring the mower back to nice.

No offense taken.

I felt bad the whole time and wasn't sure if I should stop, or keep going. I really didn't think it could all be that bad - I mean we've had a lot of rain, but I've never been in a situation like this. Nobody else around here has "mush" like that.

I really don't know if I can continue to cut this lawn and sleep at night. I won't cut it like that again, but at the same time, if I wait for it to dry (looking at the forecast, it could be another week or more on top of the week from the previous cut), the grass will be a foot tall, and it will be too high to cut, and there's no way to mow on that soft ground with anything but a push mower. There are obviously "drainage issues" at play here.
The owner said that the guy who cuts the neighbor's lawn said their lawn is bad too - worst he's seen in 15 years.

Johnny_boy02
05-19-2011, 12:26 AM
That sucks man. I would let it grow till the rain stopped and then knock it down with the trimmer if I had to.

Are you planning on buying a more commercial mower at any point? I can handle a foot or so of grass with mine and I got it on sale for well under a grand..

But if the owner doesnt care about the mud I would just do it

Landscaper2009
08-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Good to hear that you are happy with the mower. I purchased two of them one of wich is the big wheel version. I got a great deal at Home Depot on the other. It was a return never used for $130.00. Regular price I think was around $300.:)

mark123
08-28-2011, 08:02 AM
We have tested MODECK and it does not do nearly as good as the can suggests. I have had really good results from Fluid Film though.

I agree. Fluid film is very good stuff. I wish they sold it around here.

SpokaneSRC
08-29-2011, 06:43 PM
Hey Hedge,
You keep it running (to move something) with the bungee cord? or does this model of mower have the BOS? And also, not sure if it was already covered or you figured it out, but you hook the hose up to the wash out port, then fire up the mower with the water running. The blade circulates the water on the under side.

Hedgemaster
08-30-2011, 07:58 AM
Hey Hedge,
You keep it running (to move something) with the bungee cord? or does this model of mower have the BOS? And also, not sure if it was already covered or you figured it out, but you hook the hose up to the wash out port, then fire up the mower with the water running. The blade circulates the water on the under side.

It does not have the BOS. I believe it was available on the 2009 model. Some other Toros still have it though.

The washout port is a joke. It's ten times easier to tilt it to the side, and spray it down. Using the port hardly gets anything off the underside.
I think it was a brilliant marketing gimmick though.

Hedgemaster
08-30-2011, 08:00 AM
I purchased two of them one of wich is the big wheel version.
http://www.amovos.info/qinp1.jpg
http://www.amovos.info/qinp2.jpg
http://www.amovos.info/qinp3.jpg


A Super Recycler? Someone else mentioned that above... Never seen one with big wheels.

Hedgemaster
06-10-2012, 09:43 PM
Bump for a quick update.


The mower is still running fine.
It does seem to lock up (rear wheels) a bit more now when pulling it backwards, but aside from that I've been very happy with it.

It mulches great. If the grass is too high, it will leave a small stripe of clippings along one side, but when conditions are "normal" it's not an issue.

Bagging:
I rarely bag, but it bags nicely when the grass is "normal" to "a little high". If the grass is TOO high, it SUCKS for bagging because the opening clogs long before the bag fills. Note that I've only noted it clogging with wet grass, so take that for what it's worth.

It still starts on the first/second pull.

I change the oil and air filter when needed and aside from cleaning and blade sharpening, the only thing I've put into it is two new rear wheels.
I figured I'd replace the rear wheels at the beginning of the season since the tread was pretty much non-existent after last season's use.



This is what happened the other day after 2 months of use on the new wheels...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190246.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190306.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190405.jpg


Nice, huh?

:rolleyes:

I took it back with my receipt and the dealer just went in the back and gave me a new one to replace it. The only problem is that the tread is already worn down a lot, so now I'm going to buy another wheel for the other side to keep them the same. He's giving me a discount on the other wheel.


I have an OLD Recycler at the house as a backup "Just in case", but I'm thinking about picking up another SR4 for next season and bumping the current mower to backup status.
This one has a Briggs engine. The new ones come with a Honda engine, or the "made in China", Toro engine. I found the one with the Honda engine online for $555. My dealer has two sitting there with "CLEARANCE" tags on them... $599! Ummmm, yeah, MSRP price is "clearance" pricing? I guess that's for the suckers who don't research before buying.

Grass Doctor
06-11-2012, 01:44 AM
well the motor in the machine its a Briggs and stratton, but the machine it self sucks.
i have two hondas HRX217 one of then die this year(i beat the shiiiit out of it) the one i started whit, use it (for detaching, mow jungles etc bend the crank shaft oh well i was starting), well it die, starting this season, i took it to this guy and apparently he stole some pieces and toll me that was not going to work no more, come on, he all ready fix the problem 2 times, nothing major it ran whit out oil, for a while.

Darn helper :mad: well i decide to by me a toro recycler, i said my self i will use it for at least 8 months and im fine for 487.00 what more can i expect, if it dies after that oh well.


bought the mower, happy, mow the first yard nice, it might last a little longer, ouch after 10 yards the darn thing was falling apart:eek: what,:mad: took it back gave another one same, shiiiit, ah ah not me, trade it for a honda, pay 500.00 extra.

For the lawns i do 1/3, 1/4 to 1/2 they fly men, nice cutting, real nice bagging.

only problem every 50 to 75 lawns, will need some screws adjustment wheels etc.

im not giving a bad name to the brand toro.

i just bought me today a time cutter ss4200 after watching a video of a guy running like a maniac in this forum, :D whit one of this.

I just think that this recycler mower its not for work its for a fancy home owner whit a small lawn.
i will never buy one this craps again.

Johnny_boy02
06-11-2012, 02:10 AM
I would spend more to get a comercial grade mower.

SECTLANDSCAPING
06-11-2012, 09:33 AM
the honda hrx217 is closer to a commercial mower then the timecutter. I see you having more problems with the ZTR then the walk behind. I might be wrong but I think the only difference between the hrx217 and the commercial line is the aluminum deck.

I needed a back up for my zmaster. I bought it with 1500 hours and put on a 1000 more. I havent had a problem but shes getting up there. So I started looking sooner then later.

So I looked at a used timecutter 2010 model with 150 hours. It was in worst shape then my almost 10 year old machine. The deck was bent and flimsy. The hydros were weak and cost more to replace then 12cc pumps.

I ended up getting a discontinued 08 Great dane. I put 200 hours on her and the only problem has been a popped a tire.

I bought both of these mowers for less then the box office ztrs.

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 11:26 AM
I've broken 7 of those exact mowers (return for credit to purchase a new one every time, lol). They are great for hills, but will fall apart very fast. It's basically made to use one time, LOL.

The cut is fantastic at first I must say, other than that, there have been so many times I wanted to pick up the mower and throw it into a pool due to it's pusy like build.

Von Bobbeh
06-11-2012, 12:03 PM
I have the cheaper version of your new mower, and I love it. the kohler engine starts with the slightest pull on the cord, I can use my pinky and ring finger to start it, lol.

Grass Doctor
06-11-2012, 03:16 PM
the honda hrx217 is closer to a commercial mower then the timecutter. I see you having more problems with the ZTR then the walk behind. I might be wrong but I think the only difference between the hrx217 and the commercial line is the aluminum deck.

I needed a back up for my zmaster. I bought it with 1500 hours and put on a 1000 more. I havent had a problem but shes getting up there. So I started looking sooner then later.

So I looked at a used timecutter 2010 model with 150 hours. It was in worst shape then my almost 10 year old machine. The deck was bent and flimsy. The hydros were weak and cost more to replace then 12cc pumps.

I ended up getting a discontinued 08 Great dane. I put 200 hours on her and the only problem has been a popped a tire.

I bought both of these mowers for less then the box office ztrs.

so what will be ur opinion in this toro ss ztr mower this is the most i could afford at this time we have to ask the cheese, since i bought this one cause, i saw his videos and i think this is what he use :D my wife keep saying the he was really fast leafing her *** hehe what a trip

Hedgemaster
06-11-2012, 05:23 PM
I would spend more to get a comercial grade mower.


Aside from a longer "life span", what would be the benefit of a commercial mower? I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm genuinely curious if a commercial mower would be as nice to mow with.
I've looked at the commercial Toros at my dealer and they feel heavy as hell. I buy equipment to make my daily work EASIER. I've never USED a commercial push mower, so I don't know if I'm missing out on something.

Things I like about this mower:
It mulches really well (I have only ever seen landscapers BAGGING with commercial Toros - I don't bag)
Personal Pace - I really like working with this mower due to the infinitely adjustable speed
It's relatively lightweight - maneuvering it is effortless.
The handle stores in the upright position - this feature is worth the price of the mower alone. If I didn't have it, the handle would hang out past the side of the truck on my cargo carrier, and the mower would only fit sideways in my trailer taking up valuable space.


If someone can find me a commercial mower that matches, or beats the things I like about this mower, I'd happily spend the extra thousand dollars on it.

Hedgemaster
06-11-2012, 05:41 PM
I've broken 7 of those exact mowers (return for credit to purchase a new one every time, lol). They are great for hills, but will fall apart very fast. It's basically made to use one time, LOL.

The cut is fantastic at first I must say, other than that, there have been so many times I wanted to pick up the mower and throw it into a pool due to it's pusy like build.

Recyclers, or Super Recyclers?

Just asking because every effing homeowner I meet says "Oh, I have the EXACT same mower". 99% of the time, it turns out they don't - they have some other Toro.
You can't buy a Super Recycler in a box store as far as I'm aware.

SECTLANDSCAPING
06-11-2012, 05:47 PM
so what will be ur opinion in this toro ss ztr mower this is the most i could afford at this time we have to ask the cheese, since i bought this one cause, i saw his videos and i think this is what he use :D my wife keep saying the he was really fast leafing her *** hehe what a trip

Its a garden tractor in a zero turn body.

He seems to have had good luck with it though.

That why I said go used. You wouldve spent less for a better mower.

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 06:26 PM
It cuts really well, but it can't take a beating. This is the mower I have replaced 7 times already;

http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5258&stc=1&d=1339457527

I do miss having a mower than doesn't weigh a ton, but I'm sticking with my commercial mowers - this one stays in storage until I absolutely need it, which is never anymore.

If anyone does plan on getting this mower, I suggest taking really good care of it. If you buy it from Home Depot, make sure it's assembled properly, because whoever does it does a terrible job.

The pull cord can easily get jammed inside of the mower, so make sure that every time you release the cord, you do it properly so that it rests within the 'hook' holding it. Opening the machine up is a waste of time. These little parts are very breakable!!!

Also, you will most likely have to fuel this mower on every 1-2 lawns if my memory serves me right.



edit: you can see (opposite of the pull cord) I tied some trimmer cord to hold the wire in place lol, the part/hook that was originally supposed to hold the wire to the bar snapped.... sad sad sad.

Hedgemaster
06-11-2012, 06:41 PM
So once again, that "exact same mower", isn't the same mower after all. LOL!



Hey Cheese, you have Toro commercial mowers right?

How do they operate? I mean, they MUST have self propel, right?
Do they go at one speed, or are they variable?

How do they mulch? Honestly, that's much, much, MUCH more important (to me) than a mower that will last.
What good does a "good" mower that lasts for years do me if I CURSE it's mulching ability on EVERY SINGLE JOB? Make sense?

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 07:22 PM
I just made a video for you :D

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 07:54 PM
I've used several models, but this is a video showing which walk behind mowers I use now. It's very brief and I missed out a lot, because I've been awake for 2 days now. lolloll

The bags on these mowers require you to slide a lever to unlock them.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iZM6PJ6IuUY?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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There is ANOTHER commercial model (I can't find a pic anywhere) that you just push down on the bar for the personal pace to engage ... you can basically just lean against the mower and it'll move (instead of pulling the bar upwards), it's great for your back/comfort, and I find it a lot easier to use/maneuver with .. It's also a lot lighter I believe.

The bag on this mower detaches similar to the recycler models.

Grass Doctor
06-11-2012, 08:23 PM
I've used several models, but this is a video showing which walk behind mowers I use now. It's very brief and I missed out a lot, because I've been awake for 2 days now. lolloll

The bags on these mowers require you to slide a lever to unlock them.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iZM6PJ6IuUY?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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There is ANOTHER commercial model (I can't find a pic anywhere) that you just push down on the bar for the personal pace to engage ... you can basically just lean against the mower and it'll move (instead of pulling the bar upwards), it's great for your back/comfort, and I find it a lot easier to use/maneuver with .. It's also a lot lighter I believe.

The bag on this mower detaches similar to the recycler models.


hey cheese,

since most of the time u will only find home owners reviews about this machine, how many hours will u give to this machine before u make a change or upgrade whats your review on it, what so ever, i just bought me one yesterday ill be doing mostly front lawns, cause i will not go true gates and ill be doing 1/2 to 1 acre residential accounts only whit it

your inside, will be much appreciated, like u said not good to jump curbs what else :rolleyes:

Grass Doctor
06-11-2012, 08:37 PM
Its a garden tractor in a zero turn body.

He seems to have had good luck with it though.

That why I said go used. You wouldve spent less for a better mower.

nice and thank you.

well i kinda knew this machine, lets said were like "my hondas close to commercial grade, but not really, they will take the beat up, till day they finally completely die, this is what my spect from this machine, to be close to commercial, so i can use in residential, i wont be using this machine in any commercial property. since i don't any yet, well thanks for the inside, ill be posting about im sure.

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 08:39 PM
hey cheese,

since most of the time u will only find home owners reviews about this machine, how many hours will u give to this machine before u make a change or upgrade whats your review on it, what so ever, i just bought me one yesterday ill be doing mostly front lawns, cause i will not go true gates and ill be doing 1/2 to 1 acre residential accounts only whit it

your inside, will be much appreciated, like u said not good to jump curbs what else :rolleyes:



The older model is fantastic for hopping up and down curbs, but this one, the mode with the speed adjustment flip switch (weird), is dangerous. I have a feeling it's because the tires lack grip, or are too solid.

To be completely honest, I think I will be using the same models until they stop making them. I've tried Dixies, Walkers, etc etc... and I have to say I prefer this residential zero turn over them all. I believe it has something to do with that PERFECT center of gravity, everything just feels proper.

For the price you pay, it's basically the cost of a brand new self propelled commercial walk behind (without attachments it's very cheap for a tractor). The parts are inexpensive to replace, and you have easy access to everything for maintenance, which most other machines are seriously flawed.

My older model tractor has been through a VERY rough/abusive few years, and not a single thing had broken beyond repair. Also, if I'm ever caught cutting wet grass, it's rare that I'll ever have to clean under the deck... that's convenient!

ALSO, the deck height adjustment lever, it's perfect. For most residential zero turns and a lot of commercial zero turns, you have to fiddle around with pins. They seriously wanted this machine to perform, and it does very well!

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I almost forgot to mention the gas tank, on both models I own, rarely do I need to fill the tank. Major plus!!!

CHEESE2009
06-11-2012, 08:51 PM
Tire difference, possibly not on all models.


Older Model, better tires for curbs/grip.
http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5259&stc=1&d=1339466483

Newer Model, probably for street racing.
http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5260&stc=1&d=1339466483

Grass Doctor
06-11-2012, 10:35 PM
Tire difference, possibly not on all models.


Older Model, better tires for curbs/grip.
http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5259&stc=1&d=1339466483

Newer Model, probably for street racing.
http://www.gopherforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5260&stc=1&d=1339466483

thank u.

i see the difference in the wheels, maybe ill try finding a pair of different wheels, after a few months, i also see you dont use a mulch kit or a plug how u get away whit that,:confused: do you make a lot of debris i cant not afford one of this thinks at this time, since u so have the same machine i do, im really asking a lot, hope u don't bother, probably u have the so talk about gator blades right, do they make such a big difference.

Hedgemaster
06-11-2012, 11:23 PM
I remember when this thread was about my equipment.

:D

CHEESE2009
06-12-2012, 08:23 AM
I remember when this thread was about my equipment.

:D


I really want to help you get a hold of a commercial walk-behind self propelled mower, the one I unfortunately don't have an image of. It's great!

I'm still trying to find it, they don't advertise it on the toro website anymore, and I hope they still make them!

CHEESE2009
06-12-2012, 08:33 AM
thank u.

i see the difference in the wheels, maybe ill try finding a pair of different wheels, after a few months, i also see you dont use a mulch kit or a plug how u get away whit that,:confused: do you make a lot of debris i cant not afford one of this thinks at this time, since u so have the same machine i do, im really asking a lot, hope u don't bother, probably u have the so talk about gator blades right, do they make such a big difference.

I usually bag the grass, but I want a break from it this month. It can leave a mess like any side-discharge mower, but it takes just a few minutes to clean it all up.

If you raise your chute, the grass doesn't clump all together, leaving a thick trail of clippings. Raisins the chute allows the clippings to spread further, and hide better lol.

In one of my videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glzz1zgLy9Y&list=UUc5UbK3v20f2IZWzuTdIt7g&index=4&feature=plcp), I am not using the bagger. I am instead making a mess of grass clippings all over the place. What I do (after I trim) is take my backpack blower (http://www.stihl.ca/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=26&x=rTBI2aYjeRM0UpUR0HMWyA) and toss all the clippings back onto the lawn, sometimes I will have to rake the excess clippings into a garbage bag.

Regardless if I used to bagger on the mower or not, I would still have to blow due to trimming (so no time is wasted there). You will spend an extra minute raking, but nothing more than that.

Grass Doctor
06-12-2012, 05:20 PM
I usually bag the grass, but I want a break from it this month. It can leave a mess like any side-discharge mower, but it takes just a few minutes to clean it all up.

If you raise your chute, the grass doesn't clump all together, leaving a thick trail of clippings. Raisins the chute allows the clippings to spread further, and hide better lol.

In one of my videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glzz1zgLy9Y&list=UUc5UbK3v20f2IZWzuTdIt7g&index=4&feature=plcp), I am not using the bagger. I am instead making a mess of grass clippings all over the place. What I do (after I trim) is take my backpack blower (http://www.stihl.ca/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=26&x=rTBI2aYjeRM0UpUR0HMWyA) and toss all the clippings back onto the lawn, sometimes I will have to rake the excess clippings into a garbage bag.

Regardless if I used to bagger on the mower or not, I would still have to blow due to trimming (so no time is wasted there). You will spend an extra minute raking, but nothing more than that.

yea yea yea ur totally right in other video there is guy mowing probably u r filming that's Right,he have a bagger in the mower, i just want it to know, thanks for the info, i just cant afford a mulching kit at this time ill buy me a par of mamba blades, that i can afford, better review that gator.

thanks for all the input men, its well appreciated

Grass Doctor
06-12-2012, 05:21 PM
I remember when this thread was about my equipment.

:D

sorry hedge :D.

well its still kinda about your mower, we are still talking about toro product :D.

Hedgemaster
06-12-2012, 05:39 PM
Originally Posted by Johnny_boy02 View Post
I would spend more to get a comercial grade mower.

Aside from a longer "life span", what would be the benefit of a commercial mower? I'm not trying to be a prick, I'm genuinely curious if a commercial mower would be as nice to mow with.
I've looked at the commercial Toros at my dealer and they feel heavy as hell. I buy equipment to make my daily work EASIER. I've never USED a commercial push mower, so I don't know if I'm missing out on something.

Things I like about this mower:
It mulches really well (I have only ever seen landscapers BAGGING with commercial Toros - I don't bag)
Personal Pace - I really like working with this mower due to the infinitely adjustable speed
It's relatively lightweight - maneuvering it is effortless.
The handle stores in the upright position - this feature is worth the price of the mower alone. If I didn't have it, the handle would hang out past the side of the truck on my cargo carrier, and the mower would only fit sideways in my trailer taking up valuable space.


If someone can find me a commercial mower that matches, or beats the things I like about this mower, I'd happily spend the extra thousand dollars on it.


This sort of got lost, so I'm going to revisit the question(s).


I can only assume that with SO many people that say "but commercial", there wold be a REASON for suggesting it.

CHEESE2009
06-12-2012, 07:01 PM
You can find everything you like about the mower you have now, in a commercial model, other than being able to easily fold it for storage, and being light.

Weight is never really an issue unless doing hills, or actually having to lift the mower (those without trailers), but there is always that noticeable difference which you will get used to very easily.

Maintenance is relatively low-to none.

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We can throw the 'commercial is best' talk right out the window, because I like things proven just like you. I can honestly say you are paying for a tougher frame/more durable mower when purchasing commercial equipment, and nothing more. So if you take good care of the mower you have, and you like it, I wouldn't change.

I believe your mower costs about $500, vs $2,500-$3k for a commercial model, just doesn't make too much sense for you to even bother.

Keep track of the problems you encounter with it, I guess that's all I can really say.

Your next big purchase should be a mower with a wider deck (preferable something you can sit your arse on lol), so that you can tackle your work faster without sore knees while making room for more clients.

Hedgemaster
06-12-2012, 07:33 PM
(Snip)

Your next big purchase should be a mower with a wider deck (preferable something you can sit your arse on lol), so that you can tackle your work faster without sore knees while making room for more clients.


Try and keep up, son.
http://www.gopherforum.com/showthread.php?t=15943&highlight=ferris+walk

:D



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Two%20Cuts/DSCI0346.jpg


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Two%20Cuts/DSCI0347.jpg


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Cut%20and%20Trailer%20Planning/IMAG3316.jpg



Eventually, I'll look to get something even wider because 36" doesn't seem to speed things up as much as I had hoped.

SECTLANDSCAPING
06-12-2012, 08:44 PM
I tried bagging with my recycler today and it sucked. I do like the cut it gives normally. So anyways a few hours later smoke started blowing out of the muffler. It still runs but its smoking like a chimney. Thats recycler number 2 for me in 3 years.

I bought the hrx at the same time as recycler number 1. So I say the honda mower is better. The only issue I have with that is the rear wheel needs to be replaced soon.

I wouldnt buy a 22" commercial mower either. Small walkbehinds are throw away to me. It matters with bigger equipment. Thats not even completely true either. Every homeowner brand hedge or string trimmer, blower, edger, chainsaw, pressure washer, I have used broke in a year or two. I wouldnt pick up a homelite or weedeater brand machine if it was free.

As far as big mower its the same as pressure washers. Its the pumps. The second most expensive part of the machine next to the engine. The box store ZTR's have sealed nonserviceable hydro pumps. You cant change the oil! Would you buy a truck that never would have the transmission fluid changed? Even worse the wheelmotors are integrated. So you have to buy both if one fails. These run about $1000 per side. On a commercial mower the pump and wheel motor are separate and can be bought for $350-$500 each.

I know this because one of my subs bought 2 Cub RZT. He thought he got a smoking deal. He replaced 3 pumps in 2 1/2 seasons before selling them. So he spent $9000 on 2 mowers that lasted 2 1/2 years. He bought a Gravely and has been using it for 4 1/2 years now.

The other thing is they have no resale value. You can find homeowners ZTR's with 100 hours for sale for under $1000. You will never find one that has over 500 hours.

On the other hand a real mower even with 2000 hours is still worth $3000.

All you have to really do is look at the warranty. Its a 150 hours vs a commercial unit with 1500.

Hedgemaster
06-12-2012, 10:35 PM
Sect,

Which HRX mower do you have?
I'm looking at a sale paper for a dealer as well as the Honda website.
Looks like between the HRX217VKA and the HRX217HYA, the only difference is that the HYA has the same handle/hydro cruise control as the commercial unit AND it has the blade stop. I can't seem to find any other difference between the two.

What can you tell me about its mulching capability?
That's my #1 concern, as I don't bag unless absolutely necessary. If I learn that the Honda mulches as well as/better than the Super Recycler, I'm not opposed to trying one.

I can't see how that cruise control could possibly be easier to deal with than the Toro Personal Pace system, but if you have both, maybe you could give your thoughts on that as well?

How well does that "Versamow" system work? (the ability to set it for "half open" for bagging/mulching)
Sounds good on paper, but I'm interested in real world user input.

Thanks in advance!

SECTLANDSCAPING
06-12-2012, 11:21 PM
Sect,

Which HRX mower do you have?
I'm looking at a sale paper for a dealer as well as the Honda website.
Looks like between the HRX217VKA and the HRX217HYA, the only difference is that the HYA has the same handle/hydro cruise control as the commercial unit AND it has the blade stop. I can't seem to find any other difference between the two.

What can you tell me about its mulching capability?
That's my #1 concern, as I don't bag unless absolutely necessary. If I learn that the Honda mulches as well as/better than the Super Recycler, I'm not opposed to trying one.

I can't see how that cruise control could possibly be easier to deal with than the Toro Personal Pace system, but if you have both, maybe you could give your thoughts on that as well?

How well does that "Versamow" system work? (the ability to set it for "half open" for bagging/mulching)
Sounds good on paper, but I'm interested in real world user input.

Thanks in advance!

I have the HYA with blade engage. This is a key feature to me. I do a hotel with 8 6x12 islands surrounded by curbs. So I can turn the blade off then go over the curb. If I wasnt using this mower I would have to do wheelies or turn it off and on again.

This might be the quietest lawnmower I ever heard running. I like rear wheel drive more too. Its better in high grass when you have to lift the deck.

The mower is faster then the personal pace but your right that you have to shift to slow down. So in a way the personal pace wins with ease of use here.

I have never used your super recycler.

I would say the cut is not to much better then the recycler. It just has outlasted 2 of them. The plastic deck doesnt get grass stuck to the underside and of course will never rust. The deck has a lifetime warranty.

I have never used the versamow. It does sound good but I always mulch. We had so much rain and growth lately that I tried to remove some of the clippings today. I wasnt that impressed with the bagging of either mower.

Grass Doctor
06-13-2012, 01:15 AM
i knew u where gonna, do that, nice piece of equipment, very nice

im sure ull have fun with u r new toy, :D.

Grass Doctor
06-13-2012, 01:25 AM
Try and keep up, son.
http://www.gopherforum.com/showthread.php?t=15943&highlight=ferris+walk

:D



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Two%20Cuts/DSCI0346.jpg


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Two%20Cuts/DSCI0347.jpg


http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/IntegrityLawnCare/Lawn%20Care/Equipment/Ferris%2036%20Walk%20Behind/First%20Cut%20and%20Trailer%20Planning/IMAG3316.jpg



Eventually, I'll look to get something even wider because 36" doesn't seem to speed things up as much as I had hoped.


and u still have the broken, warrior behind the new beast :D

Johnny_boy02
06-13-2012, 03:27 AM
I believe your mower costs about $500, vs $2,500-$3k for a commercial model, just doesn't make too much sense for you to even bother..

A comercial push mower does not cost $2,500-$3000.

My main reason for choosing to spend the $$$ on a decent push mower is durability. I have hundreds of hours on my mowers and I have not worn through wheels. I would kill that toro in a year or 2 when I expect my push mowers to last 5+ years.

BUT if you are now using the walk behind on the majority of your yards it may not be worth upgrading. My yards are about a 50/50 split walk behind/ push mower so it is worth it to me to have a nice push mower.

Hedgemaster
06-13-2012, 07:40 AM
and u still have the broken, warrior behind the new beast :D

To be clear, the only thing "broken" on it is the brand new wheel I installed.
And I only replaced the rear wheels because the tread was worn.

Hedgemaster
06-13-2012, 07:43 AM
A comercial push mower does not cost $2,500-$3000.

My main reason for choosing to spend the $$$ on a decent push mower is durability. I have hundreds of hours on my mowers and I have not worn through wheels. I would kill that toro in a year or 2 when I expect my push mowers to last 5+ years.

BUT if you are now using the walk behind on the majority of your yards it may not be worth upgrading. My yards are about a 50/50 split walk behind/ push mower so it is worth it to me to have a nice push mower.

Yeah, a Toro commercial mower runs around $1,500.
Still, another grand for a mower is hard for me to justify if it's not as user-friendly.

I'd rather have a mower that works GREAT for 2-3 years, than one that is more difficult to use over 10 years.

Make sense?


Also, I work alone. Nobody else uses my gear and I don't beat on any of it.

Johnny_boy02
06-13-2012, 11:45 AM
Everyone should use what works best for them.

With the self propel I don't have any issues moving the mower around. The Toros Weigh about 90 pounds and my commercial 21" mower weighs 107. Not much difference. I find the "home owner" type push mowers to feel flimsy and cheap.

I am not hard on my equipment in "min wage employee" sort of way. But many of the properties I do are not well maintained, overgrown, have trash, debris, etc.

Hedgemaster
06-14-2012, 09:20 PM
OK, I was thinking about this thread today so I shot a few quick vids.

(inspired by Cheese!)

Click image.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/th_20120614_164841.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/?action=view&current=20120614_164841.mp4)

This is to demonstrate the ease of use with the Personal Pace system.

Could I reverse directions "back and forth" in tight spots like this with a commercial Toro?


There are more vids, but I must go feed the cats. BRB...

Hedgemaster
06-14-2012, 09:56 PM
Here's another.

At least twice I demonstrate how you can change speeds "at will".
All the "back and forth" was mostly exaggerated for demonstrating purposes, but there are a lot of time when those motions are needed.

Click on the image.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/th_20120614_165916.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/?action=view&current=20120614_165916.mp4)

Will a commercial mower allow that much control?
I don't see how if they have "3 speeds".
How do you "back up" with a commercial mower - do you just "drag" it back while the wheels are trying to move it forward? Lift the back? How does that work?

:confused:

Hedgemaster
06-14-2012, 10:07 PM
Here's a quick demonstration of how I load my mower onto my cargo carrier.
When I work in congested areas, this is what I use instead of dragging my trailer around and beating my head against the steering wheel trying to find somewhere to PARK.

Note how freaking incredible the folding handle on the Toro is!
If not for that feature, I'd have to drag it up backwards and let the handle stick out past the side of the truck.

Click on image.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/th_20120614_170302.jpg (http://s1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Super%20Recycler%20Ease%20of%20Use%20Vids/?action=view&current=20120614_170302.mp4)

Also note that I didn't show the ratchet strap being put on the mower. I didn't think anyone (except maybe Cheese) wanted to see my a$$ bent over doing that.

:D

CHEESE2009
06-14-2012, 10:26 PM
Not enough a$$ in your last video. Do it again, and do it nice and slow.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mxIWtvg0G4k/To_kSIbxjzI/AAAAAAAADEc/KO9POYe01YY/s400/IMG_5621.JPG



Make more videos, like a bad *** commercial! ... It's tricky when you're alone though... dammit! Someone fly over there and hold a camera!

Steve
06-15-2012, 11:23 AM
It's tricky when you're alone though... dammit! Someone fly over there and hold a camera!

Might I suggest a Joby Flexible Camera Tripod? ;)

http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00CMmTZlpEgQge/Flexible-Tripod-for-SLR-Camera-TS-TRP02-.jpg

Hedgemaster
06-15-2012, 08:28 PM
I'll repeat the question(s)...


Could I reverse directions "back and forth" in tight spots like this with a commercial Toro?

Will a commercial mower allow that much control? I don't see how if they have "3 speeds".

How do you "back up" with a commercial mower - do you just "drag" it back while the wheels are trying to move it forward? Lift the back? How does that work?

CHEESE2009
06-15-2012, 09:09 PM
Could I reverse directions "back and forth" in tight spots like this with a commercial Toro?

Yes, but it's a little heavier, something you could get used to. I usually save little spots like that for trimming.

Will a commercial mower allow that much control? I don't see how if they have "3 speeds".

Yup! The speed setting doesn't automatically make the equipment run faster. This is hard to explain, but think of it this way; Your truck can drive 120km/h, but it doesn't have to - it all depends on the pressure you apply on the pedal. The same applies to the mower. I allow my mower to run on the max speed setting, but it doesn't mean I'm forced to run with the mower.

Another example;

Speed setting 1: You can't go faster then 2, but you can go slower.

Speed setting 2: You can't go faster than 3, but you can go slower.

Speed setting 3: You can't go anymore faster, but you can go slower.

How do you "back up" with a commercial mower - do you just "drag" it back while the wheels are trying to move it forward? Lift the back? How does that work?

It's just heavier. I normally wouldn't ever pull the mower back, I save spots like that for trimming, but I can see where it could apply. To reverse, just release the drive and pull back.



I'll make a video soon :)

SECTLANDSCAPING
06-15-2012, 09:45 PM
I carry 3 22" walk behind mowers on the trailer and there all different drive systems. I havent met a guy that prefers one over the other yet. They just grab whatever is closer.

There really is no noticeable difference from a standard self propel and personal pace. Either one the more pressure equals faster speed.

It doesnt make a difference to me either but I started with a belt drive walk behind with reverse assist my ***!

Johnny_boy02
06-16-2012, 10:20 PM
I'll repeat the question(s)...


Could I reverse directions "back and forth" in tight spots like this with a commercial Toro?

Will a commercial mower allow that much control? I don't see how if they have "3 speeds".

How do you "back up" with a commercial mower - do you just "drag" it back while the wheels are trying to move it forward? Lift the back? How does that work?


I dont use toro's but I am going to guess they are all pretty much the same.

1) Yes. You simply let go of the self propel handle and pull the mower back.

2) My 2 push mowers only have 2 speeds normal and rip your arms off unless you jog. I can manipulate the speed by how much pressure I put on the bar that controls the self propel.

3) The self propel is a simple belt operated system. If you want to go backwards you let go of the bar and the belt loosens around the pulley allowing the wheels to be moved freely.

What are the bunggie cords for? And like I said before if you are happy with the Toro and it is not giving problems then run it.

Hedgemaster
06-16-2012, 10:58 PM
I dont use toro's but I am going to guess they are all pretty much the same.

1) Yes. You simply let go of the self propel handle and pull the mower back.

2) My 2 push mowers only have 2 speeds normal and rip your arms off unless you jog. I can manipulate the speed by how much pressure I put on the bar that controls the self propel.

3) The self propel is a simple belt operated system. If you want to go backwards you let go of the bar and the belt loosens around the pulley allowing the wheels to be moved freely.

What are the bunggie cords for? And like I said before if you are happy with the Toro and it is not giving problems then run it.

Thanks for your input. It's all helpful.


The bungee cord? Ummm... I don't see no bungee cord holding down the operator presence bar.


:D

Kids at home, do NOT do this on a hill!
I find that sometimes the operator presence bar will pop out when driving over bumpy roads, so I leave that on when trailering to prevent that.
The one going across the handle is just there as a spare. It's simply a convenient place to keep them.

Hedgemaster
06-30-2012, 06:05 PM
Bump for a quick update.


The mower is still running fine.
It does seem to lock up (rear wheels) a bit more now when pulling it backwards, but aside from that I've been very happy with it.

It mulches great. If the grass is too high, it will leave a small stripe of clippings along one side, but when conditions are "normal" it's not an issue.

Bagging:
I rarely bag, but it bags nicely when the grass is "normal" to "a little high". If the grass is TOO high, it SUCKS for bagging because the opening clogs long before the bag fills. Note that I've only noted it clogging with wet grass, so take that for what it's worth.

It still starts on the first/second pull.

I change the oil and air filter when needed and aside from cleaning and blade sharpening, the only thing I've put into it is two new rear wheels.
I figured I'd replace the rear wheels at the beginning of the season since the tread was pretty much non-existent after last season's use.



This is what happened the other day after 2 months of use on the new wheels...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190246.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190306.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120608_190405.jpg


Nice, huh?

:rolleyes:

I took it back with my receipt and the dealer just went in the back and gave me a new one to replace it. The only problem is that the tread is already worn down a lot, so now I'm going to buy another wheel for the other side to keep them the same. He's giving me a discount on the other wheel.


I have an OLD Recycler at the house as a backup "Just in case", but I'm thinking about picking up another SR4 for next season and bumping the current mower to backup status.
This one has a Briggs engine. The new ones come with a Honda engine, or the "made in China", Toro engine. I found the one with the Honda engine online for $555. My dealer has two sitting there with "CLEARANCE" tags on them... $599! Ummmm, yeah, MSRP price is "clearance" pricing? I guess that's for the suckers who don't research before buying.


Thought I'd throw up some pics of the wheels - both old, "almost new", and brand new...


On the mower - Just over 2 months use (the other side had the "new" one that split on me)
In the middle - Original. Mower purchased last spring pre-season (I mislabeled it as "2 yrs" - it's really 1.5 yrs)
Outside - Brand new

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120623_132003.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler/Flat%20Tire/20120623_131954.jpg

I replaced both rear wheels at the same time so they had the same amount of tread on them and kept the other "new" wheel and one of the originals as spares.

Hedgemaster
07-01-2012, 04:13 PM
Oh, and back to the topic of "this mower vs that mower"...

I had been researching info on the Honda mowers (as a possible "upgrade") and saw two today that I could actually put my hands on in a store.
Both were the consumer models. (HRX217HYA and HRR216YVA)
What I was most interested in seeing was how the handles/self-propel setups were designed as well as what's under the decks.

These things are very "clunky" feeling to me in comparison to my Toro. The handles do not seem user friendly and multiple bars/levers for throttle on the HRX seemed like a nightmare compared to the brutally simple design of the Personal Pace system.
The decks have all sorts of nooks and crannies for grass to build up on under there. Doesn't look fun to clean at all.

The "twin blade" setup also sounds like "TWICE the WORK" when it comes to sharpening. Does a push mower REALLY need to have TWO blades? (I smell gimmick)

I think I just sold myself on another Super Recycler for around $560. The new ones have Honda engines anyway, so that should be a plus.

Hedgemaster
07-14-2012, 05:30 PM
While it was raining today (YAY - RAIN!!!) I was killing time looking at mowers until the rain stopped and I could go do a hedge trim job.

They had a Toro Super Recycler with the Honda engine on clearance for $499.
The lowest I've seen one anywhere online is $570, and locally, nobody else even comes close to that. (they retail for $599)

I'm going to pick it up now. :)

Hedgemaster
07-14-2012, 06:42 PM
Ooohhh... Shiny...

LOL!

It's on the truck. My old battle-scarred SR4 is gonna be very jealous.

Especially after I wax this thing. :D

CHEESE2009
07-14-2012, 09:04 PM
I love cleaning my equipment, makes me feel amazing.

Unfortunately I can't be arsed to do it as often as I'd like.

Used to wax/buff my equipment every week back in the day... :(

Hedgemaster
07-15-2012, 10:45 AM
Here it is - Toro #2...


Toro Super Recycler (SR4) model 20382

Fresh out of the box and ready to go home with me.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_193632.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_193649.jpg



http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_111834.jpg


This one (model 20382) has the Honda GVC160 engine as opposed to the Briggs on my older (model 20092) one, or the Chinese-made "Toro" engine on the other current model 20381.

Side by side with my other Toro...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_202928.jpg


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_202941.jpg


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_202959.jpg


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_202913.jpg


The only differences I have noticed thus far are the little plastic tabs on the wheel height adjustment tabs and the trailing shield. My older one has more of a hard plastic flap that HAD a "tube" molded in that ran across the bottom which creates a pretty nice stripe, but that "tube" was a bad design, as it would break off after a short time. Apparently Toro replaced it with a more flexible, and simple "flap"...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/20120714_203052.jpg




I am debating putting an hour meter on this one. I sort of wish I had put one on the original so I could see just how much it has been used. Seems sort of silly for a push mower, but still, it would make oil changes easier to keep track of.

Gotta get some wax on there today. :cool:

CHEESE2009
07-15-2012, 12:26 PM
I like the gas tank opening a lot.

A little off topic
You know, regardless of the engine... I think every lawn mower Toro produces looks different then all the others they make.

You can keep buying the same model, and it'll only slightly resemble the mowers you have. In your case, it's pretty identical, so congrats! :D

Toro has an identity crisis, ... but so do I....

*slowly walks backwards and disappears into the woods*

Hedgemaster
07-15-2012, 03:53 PM
I like the gas tank opening a lot.

A little off topic
You know, regardless of the engine... I think every lawn mower Toro produces looks different then all the others they make.

You can keep buying the same model, and it'll only slightly resemble the mowers you have. In your case, it's pretty identical, so congrats! :D

Toro has an identity crisis, ... but so do I....

*slowly walks backwards and disappears into the woods*


The cap itself is huge, and I'll have to look again to be sure, but I think the actual opening on that Honda gas tank is smaller than the one on the Briggs. It does have a tether on it which is good.

It also has a fuel line shutoff which is bad, because I know I'll forget to turn it on/off all the time.

Another "negative" I can foresee is that the Honda engine sits higher than the Briggs. I can already think of a few spots that I mow weekly that it won't fit under.
Also, that air filter sticking out a mile is just a snag waiting to happen.


I know Briggs has a rep for being "crap", but honestly, on this type of mower, I think the rest of the machine will wear out before that engine will. It would have been nice to not need to have two kinds of air filters on hand, but that's a minor inconvenience I can live with.

Can't wait to try it and see if there's any notable difference between the two engines with regards to performance in use.

Hedgemaster
07-16-2012, 08:12 PM
I bought new shoes tonight.

$35 out the door. LOL!

They match my new Toro beautifully!


http://static.plutosport.com/media/8854851715102/product/G44619.jpg

:D :D :D

Hedgemaster
07-17-2012, 07:55 PM
I have an hour meter that I was planning to install on the new Toro.

Ever wish you knew how many hours you had on a push mower?
Wouldn't it take the guesswork out of when to change oil and air filter?

Should I return it and put the $30 towards something else?



I was just about to install it when I started second guessing myself.
Seems a waste of money on one hand and on the other, I'd love to know how many hours are on it so I can shove it in the face of those who badmouth non-commercial mowers when mine is still running long after they claim it should have "fallen apart".

Hmmmmmm...

Steve
07-18-2012, 02:48 PM
Put it on. When you are done with that mower you can use it on another! :)

Hedgemaster
07-20-2012, 02:37 PM
I decided to install the hour meter. :cool:

Dumb, maybe, but I kept thinking about how often I wished I knew just how many hours I had put on my first SR4, as it was my primary mower, and has certainly gotten a workout.

It's on.





Anyone care to wager if there will be pics to follow?

:D

Hedgemaster
07-23-2012, 10:35 PM
Ta-da!!!


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/Hour%20Meter%20Toro/20120720_151203.jpg

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/Hour%20Meter%20Toro/20120720_151028.jpg



I wanted to place it on the back side of the engine cover so it could be viewed while standing behind the mower, but routing the wire where it wouldn't get caught on something would have been more bother than it was worth. Placing it on the side keeps it visible, yet out of harms way, and the wire simply slips under the plastic engine cover for the short run to the spark plug wire.

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/Hour%20Meter%20Toro/20120720_150325.jpg



I mounted this one using industrial Velcro in case I decided the location wasn't ideal after using it for a while. Also, if the engine cover should need to be removed for service, I wouldn't need to remove the wire from the spark plug end - I can simply peel off the meter.


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/Hour%20Meter%20Toro/20120720_151423.jpg


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/Hour%20Meter%20Toro/20120720_151313.jpg


I still haven't used it. Hasn't been started since they tested it at the store when I bought it.
I don't wanna get it dirty. :o

:D

Steve
07-24-2012, 12:31 PM
That is sweeeet!

Hedgemaster
07-24-2012, 05:38 PM
Haha!

What else should I add?

Brush guard?

Headlights?

Spoiler?


:D

Steve
07-25-2012, 01:52 PM
Well, if you want to have the coolest mower on the block, how about adding a knight rider light kit to the front? :D

http://knightriderlight.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/knight_rider_light_red_Good_Pic.67144725_std.jpg

Hedgemaster
08-01-2012, 08:36 PM
New Mower Update:

I still haven't used it.

It just looks too nice to get dirty. :D :D :D



Maybe tomorrow.
I'm doing my nicer weekly lawns all day, so maybe I'll try it out.

Hedgemaster
08-02-2012, 08:30 PM
I broke it in today. 1.6 hours on the meter over 8 lawns. LOL!

Random thoughts/comparisons to the older mower...
(New Toro has Honda engine - Older one has a Briggs)



Wow. The handle is solid.
Didn't realize how sloppy the other one had gotten.

It's faster.
I don't think it has anything to do with the Honda engine so much as the wear and tear on the older transmission.

I have to rethink what direction I tip it to look under the deck and when I cut on a hillside. The air filters are on opposite sides.

I don't like the stupid gas cap. There's no need for something that complex. (you turn it until it "clicks" like an automotive cap)
Also, the opening is smaller and it's hard to see how much gas is in it - especially while filling.

It doesn't seem to stripe as well as the older one.
This is most likely due to the new design of the trailing shield. The older flap is made of a more "solid", yet flexible plastic with a small "tube" along the length of it.
The new flap is just that - a flap. A soft, lightweight, rubber flap. It does very little to bend the grass.

Cuts great.

That's about all I can think of. The mower is virtually unchanged past the engine and trailing shield.

Hedgemaster
08-08-2012, 11:18 PM
6 hours... time for the first oil change!


http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/1stOilChange_191051.jpg


Looks clean on the dipstick...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/1stOilChange_191146.jpg



Doesn't look as clean now...

http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o483/OakLeafLawnService/Equipment%20and%20Truck/Toro%20Super%20Recycler%202/1stOilChange_192421.jpg



Show of hands - who thinks Hedge is a retard for taking pics of the first oil change?

:D

Steve
08-09-2012, 10:48 AM
I can tell this mower is going to last a long time!

Caskey Lawns & Landscapes
08-09-2012, 02:45 PM
I think you better get the wax out...It's dirty...;)

Hedgemaster
08-09-2012, 06:46 PM
I think you better get the wax out...It's dirty...;)

I know. The other lawn guys were pointing and laughing.
Better get the hose and a sponge.

bennyhill18201
08-09-2012, 07:15 PM
You have me thinking now about how many hrs. I put on the string trimmer now.

Hedgemaster
08-09-2012, 07:26 PM
You have me thinking now about how many hrs. I put on the string trimmer now.

It would be awesome if they built them right into all types of equipment. I mean, if this thing only cost me $30, a manufacturer could add one at minimal cost.


The hour meter should eventually come in handy for keeping track of fuel usage.
Mentally note the hours when you fill the tank and you can tell at a glance when it's about time to refuel - no need to open the cap and look.

Hedgemaster
08-22-2012, 04:21 PM
I dropped off the new Toro at the dealer today.

It's been devouring gas and when it's filter-side-down on a hill, gas runs out the air filter. I mean, I KNOW to keep the filter on the upside when possible, and not to tip it filter down to scrape the deck, but even the slightest hill, for a moment causes gas to drip out.

It's only getting about an hour and a half from a full tank of gas. Yesterday I had to fill it twice, which is unheard of. I used to fill the other on every other day or TWO.

Hedgemaster
08-29-2012, 09:48 AM
The new SR4 is still waiting to be looked at, so im using the old one...

Monday it started stalling when running across a hill, filter side down.
Today I tossed in a new filter and noted the old one was caked in oil.

After running for 20 mins I loaded it on the truck and noted oil dripping from the bottom of the air filter. Checked and the oil levek is low too.

Ugh. What does this mean?

Hedgemaster
08-29-2012, 10:42 AM
BTW it's the Briggs 190 cc engine if that matters.

I just finished a cut, tipped it filter side up to scrape off the grass, and when I started again, WOW what a cloud of white smoke.
Then oil started running out of the bot of the air filter for a minute.

This sucks. I have a busy sched today.

Steve
08-29-2012, 11:18 AM
Could it just be that it was angled high enough to make the oil pool in the air filter area?

Hedgemaster
08-30-2012, 07:57 AM
Could it just be that it was angled high enough to make the oil pool in the air filter area?


No idea. I never tip it filter side down to clean under the deck and I've never had an issue before with it stalling out when running across a hill filter side down.
Anyone who says that "you CAN'T run it across a hill that way" has never cut a lawn in western Pennsylvania. You don't have much choice in the matter. Every lawn has a hill/slope somewhere on the property.


Also, oil didn't "run" out the filter the rest of the day. It looks like the bottom is wet, but no more pools of oil on the deck. (literally - I should post the pics)
I also had very few hills to deal with on the rest of the lawns - none that I couldn't cut going up and down instead of across.

Steve
08-30-2012, 11:58 AM
I'd like to see the position of the air filter when you are on any of these slopes. That is very interesting.

Hedgemaster
09-02-2012, 02:28 PM
Anyone have any thoughts?

I haven't had oil come literally pouring out again like it did when I first mentioned it, but the filter, which was brand new, is now completely saturated, and when you take the cover off, and remove the filter, the air filter housing is visibly "wet".

As for seeing the angle/position of the mower, just imagine it viewed from behind with the air filter on the "down" side. Picture any angle from "very slight", to "holy crap, that's almost too steep to go across".

The shortest run being about 10 feet with the longest being 50 feet.

Like I said - I've not had this issue in a season and a half of use, so I'm not sure what is causing it.

Hedgemaster
09-03-2012, 06:55 PM
Today I had 4 lawns to cut using the old Toro.

Lawn one - no issues with oil/stalling. (same lawn as when it stalled last Monday)
Today I only ran across the slope with the filter on the upside though.


Lawn two - no issues.
I only had to run across a short slope and the rest of the lawn was able to be cut "up and down" the slightly sloping front lawn.


Lawn three - Massive cloud of white smoke from the exhaust when I started it. WTF?
I ran it for a minute in the hope that it would stop, but it just kept blowing out white, choking, smoke. I shut it down and went home. :mad:

SECTLANDSCAPING
09-03-2012, 07:40 PM
white smoke is oil burning. For some reason theres to much oil being burned off and it cant keep up with it so its passing into the filter.

I have a recycler that smokes like it has to much oil. Goes away then shuts down in use and wont restart. After 20 mins or so it runs again. I never fixed the problem just threw it in the shed to die.

Grass Doctor
09-07-2012, 10:39 PM
i keep telling you u need to try a honda.:(

Hedgemaster
09-07-2012, 10:42 PM
i keep telling you u need to try a honda.:(

My new Toro has a Honda engine. I'm making the changeover a little at a time. :D

SECTLANDSCAPING
11-05-2012, 11:59 PM
No idea. I never tip it filter side down to clean under the deck and I've never had an issue before with it stalling out when running across a hill filter side down.
Anyone who says that "you CAN'T run it across a hill that way" has never cut a lawn in western Pennsylvania. You don't have much choice in the matter. Every lawn has a hill/slope somewhere on the property.


Also, oil didn't "run" out the filter the rest of the day. It looks like the bottom is wet, but no more pools of oil on the deck. (literally - I should post the pics)
I also had very few hills to deal with on the rest of the lawns - none that I couldn't cut going up and down instead of across.

You ever figure this out? I have kohler that is dripping gas from the carb when slanted to much. Not to big of a deal if the exhaust pipe wasnt directly below the carb.

Hedgemaster
11-06-2012, 06:35 PM
You ever figure this out? I have kohler that is dripping gas from the carb when slanted to much. Not to big of a deal if the exhaust pipe wasnt directly below the carb.

No. I haven't had a chance to ask anyone and no money to drop it off at the dealer.

I can tell you my Toro with the Honda engine is HORRIBLE for gas running out the air filter. Does it much worse than the B&S on the older mower ever did.
Not sure how the heck you're supposed to mow a hill with one.

Hedgemaster
03-25-2013, 07:56 PM
Heh. The new season is here.

I got the Toros out the other day to make sure they were running OK.

I ran them both for about a half an hour. The one leaking oil last year didn't do it now - lol
I even ran it while tilted filter side down. Go figure.

I'm sure it will crap out on me when I need it. ;)

SECTLANDSCAPING
03-25-2013, 08:56 PM
I'm sure it will crap out on me when I need it. ;)

:D thats how it works.

Grass Doctor
05-16-2013, 08:02 PM
i gave up on recycling Honda mowers from the home depot and decide to win a bid on ebay, 385.00 including delivery what do u think hedge ha ha? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::D

http://www.gopherforum.com/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=677

Hedgemaster
05-18-2013, 10:01 PM
i gave up on recycling Honda mowers from the home depot and decide to win a bid on ebay, 385.00 including delivery what do u think hedge ha ha? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::D

http://www.gopherforum.com/picture.php?albumid=123&pictureid=677


Is that a hockey stick, or a gear shifter sticking out of it? :confused:



I have no idea what you bought, but it looks like some sort of Toro, so congrats!

:)

Hedgemaster
05-18-2013, 10:07 PM
I guess I'll update this while I'm here...


Not impressed with the Honda engine on my newer SR4.
It drips gas like mad on slopes and I've had the throttle stick on it multiple times. I'll start it up and it barely chugs along, not really even fast enough to mow. I thought it just needed to warm up, but that wasn't it. I then jiggled the lever that moves the throttle up/down on the side of the engine and it sprang to life.

I have yet to compare the fuel tank capacities on the Honda vs the Briggs and Stratton, but this one with the Honda engine runs dry much sooner than the older Toro.

Aside from that, I still like the mower.
I'd like to demo a commercial mower one day just to see if it can compare in ease of use.

Grass Doctor
05-18-2013, 11:20 PM
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D hokey stick, its the shoot out for the bag. this is a super recycler, cast decking, 3 speed, 6horse power, pretty much is light, strong and cuts like a charm.


Is that a hockey stick, or a gear shifter sticking out of it? :confused:



I have no idea what you bought, but it looks like some sort of Toro, so congrats!

:)