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MikeO
01-31-2010, 06:39 AM
Why is it so important for the little guys that average 40-50 account's to pay taxes? Maybe its just me but reading alot on here people have this mentality how important it is to pay taxes on your income. Granted the bigger companies have to. I understand that. In this economy and the way the government is set up nowdays, why would you want to? Do you think the IRS is going to find out? Everybody likes making a few bucks perhaps, thats what keeps us moving out there. I just want to know what peoples opinions are about claiming income that the IRS or whoever will probably never find out about. Is it the legal aspects? The honest aspects? Whats the view out there in everybodys mind's? Is it to credit yourself with your client's to prove you are legal in all shapes and forms? Or is it to be one step above from the next person who isn't? My next question is this, how many of you have paid taxes on cash received? Still income, however, nobody will know about the cash. And besides the neighborhood clients do you think they really care?. Just some thoughts this morning thats all it is.

mortonslawn
01-31-2010, 07:03 AM
Well, in my opinion, I would be too afraid that the IRS would somehow find out that I jipped them on taxes. If I could keep all the money I make and not have to pay taxes or insurance, that would be wonderful! I would have a lot more equipment. I would be constantly looking over my shoulder wondering if they know. I guess I would have too much of a guilty conscience hanging over my head. To me, that would be like ripping off a customer, even though they're not a customer. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing, and wondering if the next knock at the door was them or get something in the mail. The IRS seems to rip us off anyway, but still. I would just have too much of a guilty conscience.

For those starting out, let me tell you this story:

This year I went to get my taxes done, and since I didn't make enough money
($15,000), I couldn't write off ANYTHING! I was so upset, I felt like puking on the lady's desk that was doing my taxes. All the money I put out to buy new equipment, office supplies, truck expenses - nothing could be written off. The reason I didn't make enough was because during my work, my husband got hurt at his job and I've spent a lot of my time running to doctor's appointments, hospital visits, theray, etc. So I couldn't take on any more people at the time. That really hurt us this year, because we were looking forward to buyng a dump truck!

As far as the tax thing - Yes, it sucks that we have to give the IRS our hard earned money for them to give these big companies bail out money to help others, and they're wasting it. It should be our choice.

MikeO
01-31-2010, 08:01 AM
$15,000 and you cant write anything off that hurts...What kind of dump truck were you thinking of buying? Flatbed with a tilt bed on it or something like a grain truck?. Ive been thinking of the same thing and I saw an older Ford 1982 250 with a flat bed that tilts he wanted $3900. I almost bought it but decided not too. Now I think I should have. Next year maybe haha.

mortonslawn
01-31-2010, 11:21 AM
I wanted to get something that has a dump bed because we mulch. It would be much easier to go get it (plus cheaper) than to have it delivered and dumped in the customer's driveway or wherever.

racerdude711
01-31-2010, 02:16 PM
MikeO-

I'm 16 and have been running my lawn care business for 4 years. Obviously 4 years ago, I wasn't mowing very many accounts, due to age, but this last summer I was doing 16 weekly jobs, and mulch on the side. My business is taking off, so I have been looking into the whole insurance and taxes subject.

Now when you ask, "Do you think the IRS is going to find out? Everybody likes making a few bucks perhaps, thats what keeps us moving out there". When you say that, it makes you personally look like your in the business of scamming people. It's called "BUSINESS ETHICS"!! I don't know what your goals are for your business, but cutting corners and breaking the law doesn't look like a good way to go about things.

I would love to know what your customers would have to say about that post. If I was a customer, the first thing I would be asking myself is, "Is he ripping me off?" Apparently you don't mind ripping the government off and breaking the law in doing so, so what is keeping you from ripping off a loyal customer?

Not a very smart way to handle yourself or your business if you ask me, but it's your business, not mine. :)

MikeO
01-31-2010, 04:14 PM
MikeO-

I'm 16 and have been running my lawn care business for 4 years. Obviously 4 years ago, I wasn't mowing very many accounts, due to age, but this last summer I was doing 16 weekly jobs, and mulch on the side. My business is taking off, so I have been looking into the whole insurance and taxes subject.

Now when you ask, "Do you think the IRS is going to find out? Everybody likes making a few bucks perhaps, thats what keeps us moving out there". When you say that, it makes you personally look like your in the business of scamming people. It's called "BUSINESS ETHICS"!! I don't know what your goals are for your business, but cutting corners and breaking the law doesn't look like a good way to go about things.

I would love to know what your customers would have to say about that post. If I was a customer, the first thing I would be asking myself is, "Is he ripping me off?" Apparently you don't mind ripping the government off and breaking the law in doing so, so what is keeping you from ripping off a loyal customer?

Not a very smart way to handle yourself or your business if you ask me, but it's your business, not mine. :)

Anywhere in the post did I say I was or wasnt re read it?

CHEESE2009
01-31-2010, 06:12 PM
The only way the IRS would find out, is if things aren't matched.

If you work at McDonalds part time & for some reason have more assets than the average person, it will seem pretty fishy.

From what I know, you can run a business and collect 100% profit, though you'd have to always make minimal deposits. Or never deposit more than your worth at McDonalds.

You'd have to carry cash with you all the time, just to be safe.

I believe it's probably safest to deposit no more than 21k per year, even if you are known as unemployed.

If you deposit around 60k a year, they will be looking.

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As for why we all become legal, basically it's fear and nothing more.

Though if your just starting your business, I don't care if your legal or not.

When you just start out, it's just a test, who knows if you will be interested after the first month?

If you get through a good year, & want to continue. Go ahead & become legal.

Don't by any means screw up your life. If you need to make a simple purchase that will help you start off your business on the right foot, but you wont be able to make that purchase if your registered, don't register. Make the right investments, & in time when you have the basic tools, become legal & take it from there.

Go forward before you go backwards, think about you, not the majority of the people who like to spend our money to prolong problems.


As for problems,

If I'm going to donate to a charity, it's going to be a personal donation. Not to some service who pays for air time to show ads about starving children.

Why should I give $10.00 to a charity service, when I can take a trip to the city & give it to the bums on the street in my city? My $10.00 will buy him booze, which is better than nothing compared to a service using it on what they think is right (usually something wrong).

Why do we want to visit other planets when we haven't solved our problems here on earth? Think about it, how about we keep our money & get our crap together instead of "feed" a problem which has nothing to do with us?

Since when did we become a charity service ourselves? It's effecting all of us, lowering us to the same level as those were donating to. Eventually we're going to be the ones needing donations, in fact we are already there.

I forgot what I'm talking about, ...

Hmm..

OH, well it's not bad to donate, it is the right thing to do. It's just a lot of people are suckered into donation programs that don't really help people.

The next time people come to your doorstep, allow them to explain the cause they want you to donate to. Agree that you care, because you do. Now tell them when you can afford it, & when you have the time, you will make the donation personally to the person(s) in need.

I'm tired of all these people collecting money for donations, sometimes I just wanna say,

"What do I get out of it? I wont feel any better by giving YOU my money. I bet if you got a second job instead of sitting at a table in malls all day, you would have more than enough money for your cause! Here's a dollar, go get yourself another coffee"

Steve
02-01-2010, 12:21 AM
I think people want to look at the system and be able to think, if I play by the rules, I could theoretically get to the top.

I would venture to guess those at the top now have played by the rules.

Ideally though, I think the tax structure needs to be simplified and we could use a flat tax system.

MikeO
02-01-2010, 05:43 AM
The reason I posted this is because I had a meeting with one of those members from S.CO.R.E a few weeks back and this question came up. The money you make and the money you don't make are two different questions with answer's. Everybody has the knowledge or idea's to hide money. You can write everything off to the point where it looks like you broke even for the year. However, if your doing this on the side and working full time job are you required to pay taxes on the money you made in the spring summer and fall winter?. Here was his answer and he said he wasn't a lawyer. The amount of 10-12k your safe nobody is going to be looking. They don't look at people making that amount. Anything over and now your doing commercial work you have to. Ive always paid my dues. But, talking to a few other people in my area who just strictly do resedential said they havent. But, they work full time jobs as well. I don't know. I know once the IRS catches up to you it's not going to be pleasant or fun for anyone. So, again its just one of those questions that hangs in the air. It's really none of my business if you do or don't. But, if everybody stops paying taxes then what happens?

Steve
02-01-2010, 08:16 AM
Something to think about is, what is the goal of the business? If the goal of it is to grow, why not learn as much as you can about everything, including how to handle your taxes?

When you look at other successful businesses, I bet they are on top of their tax issues.

But there will always be a group of people in any industry who are in it for the beer money and could care less about filing for money that they make. Some will even tell you how they don't care and don't pay them. But when they get busted, they probably won't be telling you that. And little will you or anyone else know the amount they end up owing.

I do find it fascinating that a member of the SCORE group said that.

Another thing that bugs me is the fixation on writing things off. How often do we see on here the discussion of writing equipment or what ever off, to the point where there is no income for the entire year. This seems to happen often. That shouldn't be anyone's goal. The goal should be to make the most profit with what you have to work with. Maximizing profit with minimal expense.

But that is my view.