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picframer
10-14-2009, 05:41 PM
I took my Dr. Lawn vac and my x749 to the guys at John Deere yesterday, the boot that attaches to the deck would never fit the X749 or the X500, even though they do not sell this unit they agreed to make a universal boot work, they did an amazing job, a 10 out of 10.

Sorry for the poor quality images, itís bitter cold here with wet flurries, it was getting dark and I wanted to try it, the leaf pass you see in the image was without the mower deck running, I wanted to see how it did, then I did my entire lawn with the deck on and it is spotless.....did most of it in the dark, the only down side to this time of the year.

I bought two Commercial units and will drop the X500 off tomorrow for fitting, these things are amazing, I want to see how well it shreds the leaves, it sounded interesting but it was so dark when I finished I decided to check in the morning.

So far we have 107 residential and commercial properties to do, this is all from no advertising at all other than my website, an email to all the people we worked for this summer and about all we can handle this year.

Steve
10-14-2009, 09:14 PM
That seems like it can hold an amazing amount of leaves. How many of your yards does it take to fill it up?

How heavy does it get? Are those tires on the trailer up to par for the weight?

It looks fantastic! I'd love to see a picture of it run straight through a yard with leaves, and show a path of cleared grass behind it LOL that would be amazing!

I can't wait to hear more as you use it more.

You are going to make everyone jealous! Here I am talking about blowing leaves into a snow fence on GopherHaul and here you are saying, just mow them up! It's so much easier! :)

picframer
10-15-2009, 03:45 AM
That seems like it can hold an amazing amount of leaves. How many of your yards does it take to fill it up?

How heavy does it get? Are those tires on the trailer up to par for the weight?

It looks fantastic! I'd love to see a picture of it run straight through a yard with leaves, and show a path of cleared grass behind it LOL that would be amazing!

I can't wait to hear more as you use it more.

You are going to make everyone jealous! Here I am talking about blowing leaves into a snow fence on GopherHaul and here you are saying, just mow them up! It's so much easier! :)

It will hold 315 gallons of leaves, you see it shreds them as they pass through a steel impeller, it also has a wood chipper chute and will chip up to 2".

I have no idea how heavy that many leaves would be but the tractor it is attached to is four wheel drive all wheel steer with a diff lock front and rear, weight should not matter, what I wonder is how tippy it will get.

Now here is what I have been doing and man it works well, just for example I will collect your leaves for $65.00, if we haul them away it's $25.00 however if we dump them on your property, we will sell you an Organic Compost Activator for $35.00 (cost is $14.80) if you apply you will have compost in the spring for your flowers. Not one person has asked to have them hauled away.

This time of the year we have too much wind to be blowing leaves into a tarp or fence, just too much time. I did my half my place last night, probably 50,000 square feet, took 45 min. I am charging $90.00 for a property this size.

Steve
10-15-2009, 06:32 AM
It will hold 315 gallons of leaves

I never thought of gallons of leaves as a measurement :)

50,000 square feet

When you did this section of your property, how many gallons of leaves do you feel it sucked up?

ckoffman
10-15-2009, 08:54 AM
Hello
I have a cyclone rake that is vary similer to the dr it holds 418 gal.of leafs.
But i have found to do leaf removal or just a cleanup on properties that have alot of trees it does not hold near enough, and you have to empty to many times. I am currently in the process of using the vac unit and building a leaf box on a 5x10 open trailer that will be 6' tall. It will hold a lot more volume
and then we just haul off to dispose. The extra time to empty the unit means we cannot compete on price with other companys in the area.
ckoffman

jasonw
10-15-2009, 12:39 PM
How do those tires perform on the turf? I have the factory Turf Savers on my tractor and found they tear it up unless you over inflate them then they work great. Do not exceed 14 PSI front and 10PSI rear but I find I need about 30 all the way around to save the turf.

picframer
10-15-2009, 03:46 PM
I never thought of gallons of leaves as a measurement :)



When you did this section of your property, how many gallons of leaves do you feel it sucked up?

I have no idea how many gallons I collected but I have 16 mature maple trees the leaves were probably 4" thick, 80% have fallen, I just checked the unit and the product left is as they advertise, it shreds the leaves into an almost powder, they report a 10 to 1 shredding. I would guess the unit is 1/4 full tops and that is over an acre cleaned.

As with any purchase I do my research and talk to owners of various manufacturers, based on this there wasn't anything on the market that compared when it came to commercial leaf collection.

It took me 45 seconds tops to dump, I also bought the accessories to collect leaves 30 feet from the unit using an 8" hose and another attachment that allows me to suck the shredded leaves and place them in a neat pile on the customers property.

Hauling leaves to a dump site is not an option due to cost and time, I also feel one can give the customer a perfect option, compost by spring, every customer I have has gardens of some sort and guess what, Many of the lawns we are doing are from my website and these are people we have never done work for yet, what a perfect opportunity to upsell as we will do a professional job, offer a service no one in this city is offering and get a chance to upsell.

I always have reasons for doing things, this is to build the lawn care side for 2010, I am willing to bet we will pick up an additional 50+ lawns, we use Gator mulching blades on our equipment, the leaves are probably 60% shredded before they even hit the unit in back, by the time it does it's shredding there is just powder.

Both of them start Monday, I will have a better idea and tweat if I need to.

picframer
10-15-2009, 06:51 PM
Hello
I have a cyclone rake that is vary similer to the dr it holds 418 gal.of leafs.
But i have found to do leaf removal or just a cleanup on properties that have alot of trees it does not hold near enough, and you have to empty to many times. I am currently in the process of using the vac unit and building a leaf box on a 5x10 open trailer that will be 6' tall. It will hold a lot more volume
and then we just haul off to dispose. The extra time to empty the unit means we cannot compete on price with other companys in the area.
ckoffman

I am curious, I am familiar with the Cyclone Rake XL as it was part of my research, most of the feedback from lawn care friends that tried it was it blew far too much dust on the customers property as it has a cloth type bag. I wrote Cyclone as I wanted to know what the shredding rate was however they never did give me an excact number, Dr. Advertises 10 to 1, I figure with the high lift gator blades I use, I am getting a good 15 to 20 to 1, how fine is the leaves after they go through the shredder with that unit?

Also the Commercial Dr. I have has a built in chipper for fallen branches 2" and under, It chips very well, does the cycone rake do this, I have asked but no one seems to respond.

lawncrafter56
10-15-2009, 07:37 PM
ckoffman...I am curious to see a pic or two of the trailer you are manufacturing for leaves. I too have never been satisfied with the volume of leaves the units handle. Sounds to me you are on the right track. I have gator blades along with the factory Toro vacuum shredder that attaches to the mower deck and then send it into a unit similar to Andy's to get ground up yet again. I am also very interested in Organic Compost Activator that Andy speaks of. I like many options.

picframer
10-15-2009, 08:10 PM
ckoffman...I am curious to see a pic or two of the trailer you are manufacturing for leaves. I too have never been satisfied with the volume of leaves the units handle. Sounds to me you are on the right track. I have gator blades along with the factory Toro vacuum shredder that attaches to the mower deck and then send it into a unit similar to Andy's to get ground up yet again. I am also very interested in Organic Compost Activator that Andy speaks of. I like many options.

It's a simple and very easy upsell, you can easily make 50 to 100% profit on the Activator and it works well. We buy in fairly large volume's a get a great discount, there are many on the market but I use Biowish

ckoffman
10-17-2009, 11:46 AM
The cyclone rake does just what the dr does too the leafs i woud say that the ratio is better then 10 to 1. The most trouble i have when using the unit with a lawn tracter is you can't go on real hilly ground because you risk turning over the unit and tracter. Here in this part of Missouri it is vary hilly.
So we blow to the edge of the road and then vacume up. As far as the dumping charge we add a small amount to each customers charge and every one seems to be alright with that. As far as pictures of the trailer is concerened. We should be complete today less paint which will be abright yellow. I will post pic. when complete.
ckoffman

picframer
10-17-2009, 03:41 PM
The cyclone rake does just what the dr does too the leafs i woud say that the ratio is better then 10 to 1. The most trouble i have when using the unit with a lawn tracter is you can't go on real hilly ground because you risk turning over the unit and tracter. Here in this part of Missouri it is vary hilly.
So we blow to the edge of the road and then vacume up. As far as the dumping charge we add a small amount to each customers charge and every one seems to be alright with that. As far as pictures of the trailer is concerened. We should be complete today less paint which will be abright yellow. I will post pic. when complete.
ckoffman

There are big differences between the two units however, I did a five acre property today using gators and the Dr. Vac, I dumped twice, it took two of us two hours and I charges $350.00, customer gave us each a 50 dollar bill tip, perhaps it is your hook up or the tractor you are pulling it with, the place I did has a class 3 sepitc system, 30 degree grade, not one issue, I am pulling it with a X749 traction is not an issue with this unit...anyhow just curious and thanks for responding...the leaves were on average 5" thick, we were all shocked at the results/\.

Steve
10-18-2009, 01:48 AM
It seems one unit has a fabric construction while the other is a plastic structure. Does this ultimately effect the functionality of it?

Why would they be made so differently? Is it so they can be collapsed and take up less space?

What's the benefit or disadvantages between the different construction? The fabric one seems to create a lot more leaf dust and that doesn't sound good.

picframer
10-18-2009, 04:14 AM
It seems one unit has a fabric construction while the other is a plastic structure. Does this ultimately effect the functionality of it?

Why would they be made so differently? Is it so they can be collapsed and take up less space?

What's the benefit or disadvantages between the different construction? The fabric one seems to create a lot more leaf dust and that doesn't sound good.

They are probably made differently over cost, I know the Rake unit is lower so that you can see over the top while backing up.

The #1 complaint buy the guys using them is that the cyclone rake unit blows a lot of dust, this is not a good thing on a clients property, they also said that although the Dr. Vac unit posts a lower holding capacity, it does a better job at shredding the leaves, meaning it holds more.

My knowledge is based on reading what others have said and a few returned their units and went with the Dr. Vac unit and are very pleased.

I am personally shocked at my own lawn and the one yard we did yesterday, it is performing beyond what I thought and many does it ever draw attention, I just need to get mine lettered however I want to try it on a few yards first.

Steve
10-19-2009, 02:48 AM
I just need to get mine lettered however I want to try it on a few yards first.

What a fantastic idea! What do you want to get on it?

I can picture in big letters
'Got Leaves?'
555-1937

LOL or something like that.

picframer
10-19-2009, 04:38 AM
What a fantastic idea! What do you want to get on it?

I can picture in big letters
'Got Leaves?'
555-1937

LOL or something like that.

I was thinking of something along the lines of Professional Leaf Collection & Shredding.....I need to have this added to the trucks and the trailers we pull, there hasn't been a rush as I don't know that we will get everything done that we have on the books.

The other day when I worked for Deere doing the deom of their new 60D excavator and 644 Payloader, I was wearing a Deere staff uniform and I drove my new Jetta, I didn't want prospects to know who I was although two had seen me before.

I talked to at least 60 landscaping companies, not one was having a very good year, one guy I ended up selling a smaller excavator to said it's his worst year in 15.

The fellow I mentioned a while ago who is a neighbour, been in the business as long as I can remember, does pretty good work but his equipment really needs paint, it looks terrible, showed up. We chatted and I showed him three sizes of excavators are their ability. anyhow he said he only did 7 jobs this year, I never once mentionedd how busy we are, he once again mentioned he would be interested in selling to me and then working for me, so because I know him I let him try a mini excavator, we had a lot of piles of dirt, I told him to put a 25 degree grade on a pile, I watched him closely, very slow and the work was not what I would accept from an excavator operator. One could argue but it's a different machine, every excavator operates the same, the only difference is power.

So whatever we are doing and it seems we are trying everything I can think of, is working and working very well, if this is considered a bad year due to the economy, good lord I have no idea what we will do to handle business in 2010 but I have a few months to figure that out.

lawncrafter56
10-19-2009, 08:40 PM
andy you have me very interested in this DR vac. Sometime yet this fall could you post a pic of what the leaves look like when shredded to a 10-1 perhaps a handful to view? I think my unit does a fair job & am guessing a shred of 5-1 with gator blades.

justin_time
10-19-2009, 08:55 PM
There are big differences between the two units however, I did a five acre property today using gators and the Dr. Vac, I dumped twice, it took two of us two hours and I charges $350.00, customer gave us each a 50 dollar bill tip, perhaps it is your hook up or the tractor you are pulling it with, the place I did has a class 3 sepitc system, 30 degree grade, not one issue, I am pulling it with a X749 traction is not an issue with this unit...anyhow just curious and thanks for responding...the leaves were on average 5" thick, we were all shocked at the results/\.

Your making me want to get myself a X749 now............ :(

one day :cool:

picframer
10-19-2009, 09:25 PM
andy you have me very interested in this DR vac. Sometime yet this fall could you post a pic of what the leaves look like when shredded to a 10-1 perhaps a handful to view? I think my unit does a fair job & am guessing a shred of 5-1 with gator blades.

The problem is I am running the high lift gators, which mulch them before they hit the unit, this is how I am getting 20++ to one, I can take a pic tomorrow and post.

Steve
10-20-2009, 12:30 AM
The other day when I worked for Deere doing the deom of their new 60D excavator and 644 Payloader, I was wearing a Deere staff uniform and I drove my new Jetta, I didn't want prospects to know who I was although two had seen me before.

I talked to at least 60 landscaping companies, not one was having a very good year, one guy I ended up selling a smaller excavator to said it's his worst year in 15.

With everyone seeming to be having a bad time, what is your assessment on why this is the case? How can they all be having a bad time?

Why do you feel they were even at the demo? I would figure if they were having a bad year, they wouldn't be in the mood to buy new equipment from Deere.

picframer
10-20-2009, 04:55 AM
With everyone seeming to be having a bad time, what is your assessment on why this is the case? How can they all be having a bad time?

Why do you feel they were even at the demo? I would figure if they were having a bad year, they wouldn't be in the mood to buy new equipment from Deere.

Although Halifax is a fairly large city, it's a small world and it gets around if you do not good good work. If you do good work, it also gets around, at one site we were looking at yesterday and I was there to do some excavation work, we had three people as if we could stop by there place, I told them I would try however we are not taking on any further projects this year and have had to put some off until April, it was interesting as they wanted us all the more....no idead Steve, I know we do good work, stand behind what we do and the staff have a super personality when dealing with clients, this is something I watch and I insist on.

I have no idea why they are having a hard time however to make it in this business and make seroius coin, presentation is everything, of all the people I met, talked to and did a demo for there are not many I would hire personally, I don't want to get into details as I am in no porition to jusge others, all I know is what we do and how we do it is working, and working very well.

There were a lot of tire kickers at the demo, they come because they don't have a lot to do, an excuse to get some time off and a chance to try equipment they do not own.

Steve
10-21-2009, 01:03 AM
It really is a fascinating topic because if you think about it you have a group of people who at first glance all potentially look similar. They all potentially can perform similar work. They can all talk and interact. Yet when it comes down to business, you have a group who seems to want to operate their own businesses but they don't seem to be doing too well.

It makes me wonder if there are a few step they or anyone else for that matter could implement that could absolutely change their results.

Do you think it comes down to a few things, maybe not necessarily for that specific group, but for everyone, that defines whether we will find success or failure in business or life?

Or is it more than just a few things. Does it become more of a question of desire and drive? And if it is a question of desire and drive, can that be taught or is that just something that springs from within for reasons that may be difficult to explain?

picframer
10-21-2009, 05:35 AM
I say this at the risk of sounding judgemental and I suppose to some degree I am.

Presentation to me is everything, does this person look professional, your dress, did you bother to shave in the past few days, are they wearing sneakers or proper boots?

Next is what are they driving, is it in reasonable shape or beat and tired, does it have their company information?

Next is the equipment, does it look well taken care of or is it beat to crap?

This could all be due to my target market, mid 40ís++, upper middle class, I cater to what they want and I know how the majority think after many years of business.

Finally is the sale, do they mumble and look at the ground, do they sound like they know what they are talking about.

justin_time
10-21-2009, 11:03 PM
Have you had the chance to use your DR vacuum again ? What about the chipper. I'd like to see more pics when you get a chance

picframer
10-22-2009, 04:47 AM
Have you had the chance to use your DR vacuum again ? What about the chipper. I'd like to see more pics when you get a chance

No, we have four excavation/landscape jobs on the go and there are still leaves to come down. They told me when I ordered to not expect stellar results from the chipper as it's really made to shred leaves and man the quality is top drawer. I doubt the chipper will ever be used as we have three commercial units designed for this.

lawncrafter56
10-22-2009, 04:21 PM
Though not as big as Andy, I agree with his assesment. One can not speak, look, or operate as if he has just fallen out of Fido's ***. Respectfuly to all here there was once a post on an ugly work shoe contest. While maybe all in fun you or your crew must not look or operate as such. You are who you hang with...

Rush Limbaugh sums it up pretty well for success. Be and do the best you can and then some. search for excellence & strive to be the best

Steve
10-23-2009, 02:08 AM
Rush Limbaugh sums it up pretty well for success. Be and do the best you can and then some. search for excellence & strive to be the best

Do you think you have been able to take that and apply it in some way? Sometimes we hear things and then something just snaps and we change the way we do things.

I was wondering if this had such an effect on you.